Jakomo said:
"It COULD be argued. The sad truth is that Israel knows full well that to get terrorist activities to stop they would need to make concessions
that they are unwilling to give (right of return, actual internationally agreed upon borders, etc)."
Hey Jakomo......
I noticed that you
obviously failed to mention that the Palestinians would have to make concessions......?
Terrorist activities
will not stop Jakomo....as hopeful as you may claim to be about this.....the reality of this is, as I have pointed out
numerous times, is that 'peace' or even 'ceasefire' is nothing but a time thing.....meaning it allows for re-arming, planning, etc.
Are you trying to say that the Palestinians and even Israel is seeking a real and true peace. Hell dude, a survey was done recently and posted on ATS
that pretty much stated that despite the Palestinians becoming a state, that over 59% +/- would still perform terrorist acts against Israel....and you
cry Israeli concessions.....nada.
I am a bit mystified that you admitted that Arafat is a "weenie"....I concede, a bit, and admit one...Sharon is a "weenie"......
You see, thats why I continually harp on history on this conflict....it means nothing to many but it holds the key(s) to understanding that a "real
and "true" and "lasting" peace is almost a no go.....why.....?
First off the PLO/PA/Hamas would have to shred and totally turn from what they have long held in belief.....as the whole of the Arab world/Islam has
held in belief.....The utter genocide and destruction of all Jews and the Israeli state/nation.
The PLO/PA/Hamas National Charter(s) dictates the genocide and destruction of ALL Jews and Israel, you know....the part about the "Zionist
Entity"?!. BTW...thats just Article I of the charter.......It doesn't mention Jews and Israel by name because in doing so, it would acknowledge
Israel's existence.....hence the "Zionist Entity" bit.
"The 1951 Genocide Convention"
Link:
www.preventgenocide.org...
You see, Article I of the PLO/PA/Hamas National Charter
clearly falls within the terms and definitions of "Genocide". So we have a
"Charter(s)" and then on top that, the Palestinians are literally teaching thier children, in schools and classrooms, this very same philosophy of
hate and destruction of Jews and Israel. This is not including the Palestinian media, along with other Arab world media outlets and sources,
still continuing to call for the destruction of Jews and Israel. All this adds up to more than "occupied territories" and Jews are
"legitimate targets", etc. The Palestinians clearly continue to act (terrorism/suicide bombers/suicide assassins), advocate, plan, and carry out
actions violating those actions outlined in Article III of the Genocide treaty. But lets hammer the issue of those 120+ Israeli UN
resolutions......
Jakomo....there are a few here that know how I feel about Israel.....they also know that I, in no way, fully back everything that Israel does and has
done.....don't think so...ask some of the members that contest your comments and others on Israel....always condemning them and never condemning
Palestine. In fact, to my knowledge, this topic and your last post to it, is the
first time I have seen you even mention a condemnation of
Palestinian actions and that really wasn't what you did....you simply called Arafat a "weenie"......oh, boy.....but hey, a start is a start.
I merely argue that to continue to deny that "history" plays no relevence to this continued and tragic conflict is ignoring the obvious. Both
sides, and let me say it again....both sides will have to
massively change their collective mind-sets if real, true, and lasting peace is to be
gained.....my contention, is that like history, I am seeing a pattern, and that pattern, if not turned away from, will lead to "genocide" and
another major, major lose needless lives. Despite all the "evil" acts that ISrael has been claimed to have done and does.....there is
NO
avoiding the obvious......the PA/PLO/Hamas Charter, if not the Arab world, hates Jews and continues to call for its utter DESTRUCTION.....! Despite
your "facts"....the "fact" I mentioned is so clear that one has to be seriously blind to not see it......it is in practice and in written form.
Jakomo said:
"your Zionist heroes"
Yeah......ok, Jakomo......
You continue with that Arafat is a "weenie" bit while you continue to "stroke" his master plan....you know....peace is BS while I still continue
to breath...oh....and I can't control my militants, etc.....oh....we are the "innocent victims"....Israel is the oppressor bit.....
You support exactly what he supports.....read between the lines.
regards
seekerof
[Edited on 4-11-2003 by Seekerof]