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Ahmadinejad Seeks Purging of Liberals!

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posted on Sep, 6 2006 @ 03:37 PM
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Please be patient, I've tried to read all the post here....I must admit that it is very hard to get thru all the pages of insanity.

Are some of you actually comparing this Iranian ego maniac with Pres Bush? Really? Seriously?

If so, that is truely dispicable. As Americans, we are truely nothing like that country. It's why they hate us....to compare Bush to the Iranian pres is nothing short of comparing him to Hitler. PPLLEEAASSEE!

The liberals Iran is talking about is nothing compared to what liberals mean in this country. Get over it people....Bush is pres whether you like it or not, and in two years he's out. If you really think this country is like Iran...I'd suggest you buy a plane ticket and spend some time there.




posted on Sep, 6 2006 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by xmotex
How many right-wing screeds have I read calling for a purge of academic "liberals"?


I don't know, why don't you tell me? In fact, you don't even have to limit yourself to the leader of the government. Any US politicians calling for this purge would be good, since you bring that up as a point. And when you can't find any of them how about you move on to other prominent Republicans calling for a purge of academic liberals.

Meanwhile, I will continue to truck in facts. It is a fact that this is the leader of a nation calling for the purge of liberals in his own country. It is also a fact that this leader has called for the eradication of another nation and an entire people.

It is one thing for a talking head to make an outrageous comment like the above and quite another for a political leader to do so.



posted on Sep, 6 2006 @ 04:27 PM
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I give up. Sentinal you have my sympathies. It would seem both Democrats and Republicans are incapable of following rules.

This should have been a good topic but it has been ruined by yet another bunch of political bickering. It is also an important topic. The world needs to better understand these fanatical leaders for its own survival. You can be sure they are studying us in microscopic detail with bad intentions in mind. This is not a football game and the stakes are the survival of civilization and possibly the world if nuclear weapons are brought into play. I'd like to sit back and watch these things play out from another planet like so many other people seem to think they are doing; but I have a dog in this race. My families future and mine are at stake as well as billions of innocent peoples lives.

How sad that many have come to look at this as some kind of game believing they can just go home at the end. When the bombs start flying, and they will if we sit on our hands arguing about nonsense, the political bickering will stop. Maybe forever.



posted on Sep, 6 2006 @ 04:32 PM
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What if this mad man finally developed nukes and purged jews with it?
He don't care if 2/3rds of his country is nuked back he would consider them all martyrs and be at ease with it because they would alll have 40 virgins and be with Allah. He thinks he is the chosen one bring about islams revelations or whatever they call it in the Koran. He truly is another antichrist talks/acts like a duck must be a duck. Put a satilite NO keep alot of them on him then drop the daisy cutters and the bunker busters all over his a** and hit every damn industrial complex in the country send no foot soldiers and just keep hitting them by ships and planes for 40 days and 40 nights then send Israel in let them have it.
If Syria wants some give them the same. Purge his A**..........................



posted on Sep, 6 2006 @ 04:40 PM
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Why is it that people believe one similarity between two nations means that those two nations are synonymous? We say that the North Koreans breath air, but we don't say that means all Americans are like North Koreans. So stop with the absolutes and the black and white mentality when someone draws a similarity between people. People are people and share common characteristics, that's a scientific fact.

The same spirit that is in Ahmadinejad is present in others throughout the world, and it is a spirit that is reactionary and seeking to destroy diversity. Liberalism to Ahmadinejad represents change as well as tolerance. We see the same intolerance and desperation against "liberals" all throughout history and throughout the world, from Argentina's dirty war to communism to, yes, even conservatives in America.

The only reason I bring up this hatred of liberals and liberalism among America's republicans is because Ahmadinejad's call should be a wake up call to reflect upon our own societies. The likes of Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, and many across this board show a disgusting vehemence towards anything they consider liberal. Instead of discussion they deride, and instead of compromise they taunt liberals to emigrate. Just as Ahmadinejad calls liberals in his country agents of Western imperialism, so to do certain republicans call liberals supporters of terrorism.

Obviously, this does not apply to all republicans in America nor to all Iranians, but people should be vigilant against those who reply to liberals with intolerance and hatred. People should be vigilant against all such attacks on various groups and meet their hatred with frankness and dignity. And I hope people would show the same resolve if any group was attacked, even if one day it is the liberals seeking to purge the conservatives.



posted on Sep, 6 2006 @ 05:22 PM
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Originally posted by Jamuhn

The only reason I bring up this hatred of liberals and liberalism among America's republicans is because Ahmadinejad's call should be a wake up call to reflect upon our own societies. The likes of Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, and many across this board show a disgusting vehemence towards anything they consider liberal.


I hate the fact I have to say this. I am not a Republican or a Democrat. Both parties are out of their flipping minds. Anyone towing the party line is a sheep. There are horrible people in both parties.

Your intent could not be more clear. You are here to attack Republicans no matter what the topic is. Nazi's are humans and Republicans are humans therefore; all Republicans are Nazi's. I'd say the same if you were attacking Democrats.

To say what Ahmadinejad calls a Liberal in Iran is the same as what we consider a Liberal here is intellectually dishonest and I suspect you know that. The word Liberal is an interpretation by a translator of what he said. The author of the article may have used that word due to a personal political bias to get this exact response. What Ahmadinejad is clearly saying is he wants to eliminate freedom of the press and freedom of speech. How that could be twisted into a Republican vs Democrat debate boggles the mind. He just wants everyone who does not agree with him to either shut up or start agreeing with everything he says. That is what dictators do. He would consider Sadam (a secular leader) to be a Liberal, if that is indeed the word he used. Would you consider Sadam to be synonymous with a Democratic Party leader? Of course not. That would be just plain nutty.

Now I'm going to hide my head in shame as you have lured me into this nonsensical debate.



posted on Sep, 6 2006 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
To say what Ahmadinejad calls a Liberal in Iran is the same as what we consider a Liberal here is intellectually dishonest and I suspect you know that. The word Liberal is an interpretation by a translator of what he said. The author of the article may have used that word due to a personal political bias to get this exact response. What Ahmadinejad is clearly saying is he wants to eliminate freedom of the press and freedom of speech. How that could be twisted into a Republican vs Democrat debate boggles the mind.


I have to agree with Blaine... this thread originally has nothing to do with Republicans vs. Democrats, or conservatives vs. liberals, for that matter. It's about the loony in Iran calling for the elimination of secular society everywhere.

It was then hijacked into a conservative vs. liberal boxing-match, each of you getting in the best jab possible.

Someone said something about someone else's mama and the rest of you couldn't resist jumping and ruining a thread that has nothing to do with partisan politics.



posted on Sep, 6 2006 @ 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by Jamuhn
It's the people not the party itself. If you want some examples, look at the sayings of Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and even many of those on ATS.

Many Republicans hate liberals in the US, but when they read a headline like this, they won't mind dogging Iran for it since it can be used in their political interests.

Of course Iran should be faulted for this, but you see the same thing happening in many "nationalizing" countries, including the US.


why is it that whenever anyone ever attacks one of the hard left's "allies", such as nejad and the rest of the islamofascist brigade, that the they always have to throw an argument in the opposite direction? they just cannot live with someone attacking their comrades who, while not liberal, are equally as opposed to free capitalist democracy. that is what they have in common, and while much of the muslim world preaches a philosophy which is contrary to free capitalism, then the left will unite themselves with them. the difference between republicans in the US, conservatives in the UK, and their equally conservative counterparts in the muslim world, is that we in the "free world" believe in just that notion i.e., this is a democratic free society where any and all ideas have free reign and should never be supressed. the west is an open market for ideas. that's why the US has the first amendment and people are free to say and write whatever they want regarding public issues, even if completely false. ironically, it is those who are most opposed to the spread of islamic ideology, sharia law, and thed influence of countries like syria and iran, who are the best friends of liberals everywhere. i'm a conservative. i believe in some things that muslims do too. the difference is that i would fight and die to allow my fellow citizens to say and believe what the hell they want. islam, like communism and fascism before it, believes in "compelled virtue" - and hence more restictions on individual freedom in the mane of some supposed greater benefit to society at large, whether it be the State, Caliphate etc. the problem with this is that you will always find people, many of them, who dissagree with you. hence, the only way to bring utopia to pass is through "bloody revolution" (a term many socialists don't want forget) or jihad. all in all, it involves killing those who disagree with you. no one wants to say it, but the problem is islam. like communism and fascism it is a dangerous ideology in that it goes beyond the realm of personal and private belief, but seeks to enlist the state and the rule of law in its implementation.

in sum, there is nothing more virtuous than a system which is ideology free. in any event, free unrestrained markets, ideas, beliefs etc are the best system we have ever come up with. and funnily enough the 10 commandments (if we truly and voluntarily lived them, or just a few of them - no need to beliece in god even) would be about all we'd need. but we cannot allow others to force their systems of virtue on us. these are not my ideas, but things i learned from reading ayn rand (objectivism, we the living, anthem, the fountain), richard dawkins (the selfish gene), darwin, etc.

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posted on Sep, 6 2006 @ 06:03 PM
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DYepes,

My answers are'nt in order asked, sorry.

First, why should'nt we make him an ally, well our governments
already been idiotic enough to make allies out of people that
deserve the death sentence.

As for the invasion, when I say invasion, I figure more just invading
Tehran and the other major cities, first by sending in UCAVs and
fighters/bombers, and escort our troops and tanks in with lethal force.

Of course though provide warnings written and spoken in the languages
spoken there that any attack will result in total annhilation.

And if I was in the military, I'd be hapy to be among those invading,
not because I agree with invading countries, but because the countries
run by a psycho bakced by religious fanatics, and he's treating his own
citizens badly as is, atleast if you don't agree with him.



posted on Sep, 6 2006 @ 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by firebat
I have to agree with Blaine... this thread originally has nothing to do with Republicans vs. Democrats, or conservatives vs. liberals, for that matter. It's about the loony in Iran calling for the elimination of secular society everywhere.

Someone said something about someone else's mama and the rest of you couldn't resist jumping and ruining a thread that has nothing to do with partisan politics.


And yet this article is about the political struggles within Iran. While I don't agree with you, even you say the Iranian president is trying to push his political wishes on the rest of the world. Thus, according to you the politics of the situation extend to everyone. And what I did was draw comparisons to our own societies.

But apparently, we can talk all day about Iranian politics and how crazy he is, but when we draw parallels with our own politics it is considered taboo. The only reason it is taboo is because people can't stay civil when talking about politics on ATS and extend to unrelated discussion. But, drawing comparisons is related to this discussion whether you agree with my opinions or not.

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posted on Sep, 6 2006 @ 06:26 PM
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I think one last attempt at a peaceful settlement of differences is still in order. If for no other reason than to show that the free world is trying to be reasonable. The next step should be to flood his secular opponents in Iran with aid in any form we can. If that proves to be impossible then I'd say there should be no more debate or delay. The things he has stated of late should leave no doubt, to anyone except his supporters, that he intends to follow through on his threats. How could anyone argue that a wanna be dictator, who wants to end free speech and be given complete control over the Islamic world, be allowed to continue.

We should engage in a massive surgical bombing strike against his nuclear infrastructure and we should repeat it every time it is rebuilt. At the same time we should continue to support those in Iran who want a free society. There comes a time when it is clear that the citizens do not have the stomach for saving themselves and aggressive action from outsiders is necessary to the security of region and possibly the world. I think the UN can be safely ruled out as they are a meaningless organization that should have been scrapped years ago.



posted on Sep, 6 2006 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by Jamuhn

But apparently, we can talk all day about Iranian politics and how crazy he is, but when we draw parallels with our own politics it is considered taboo.
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You only attacked one party and no other. You failed to mention many in other parties with the same mindset about controlling us. You even attacked a talk show celebrity and an author comparing them to Ahmadinejad. What exactly does that have to do with Ahmadinejad attempting to remove the rights of a free press and speech. We have both here if you have not noticed. The people you are attacking are just exercising their rights because they live in a free society. You are on this board exercising those rights. How it looks to others is that you are trying to trash the Republicans because you want them voted out of office. You are angry because your party has not done well during the last couple of election cycles. You are getting dangerously close to becoming the same as Ahmadinejad. It appears to be your only purpose in this discussion. Why not join in the discussion of the article posted by the OP and allow everyone else to exercise their right to make up there own minds. The title of this post is not "Yet another chance to trash the Republicans and President Bush - Democrats welcome to pile on". If you want to change the political landscape vote or run for office. It's not really your fault, you are just mimicking the hatred spewed by both parties by the incompetent boobs who run them. Or at least be honest in the comparison and include people Like Ted Kennedy and Howard Dean along with Bush and Rush Limbaugh in the list of those as dangerous to society as Ahmadinejad. Then maybe you would have a point.



posted on Sep, 6 2006 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
You only attacked one party and no other.

That's because this thread is about Ahmadinejad attacking liberals, not other parties.


What exactly does that have to do with Ahmadinejad attempting to remove the rights of a free press and speech. We have both here if you have not noticed.

I've already explained that, I am making comparisons. Because we still have (most) of those rights, we should be extra cautious of those who wish to exclude one party or another from the political system just as Ahmad.. is trying to do.


How it looks to others is that you are trying to trash the Republicans because you want them voted out of office. You are angry because your party has not done well during the last couple of election cycles.

I am making similarities between Republicans who also spew hatred towards liberals, not towards the party as a whole. By the way, I'm not a democrat either. Don't assume that you know so much about me.


You are getting dangerously close to becoming the same as Ahmadinejad. It appears to be your only purpose in this discussion.

How is that? I am not calling for the destruction of any party.


Why not join in the discussion of the article posted by the OP and allow everyone else to exercise their right to make up there own minds.

And there's the crux of your dispute, you don't like what I am saying and you want me to fall in line with how YOU want the discussion to procede. I'll make up my own mind, thank you.


Or at least be honest in the comparison and include people Like Ted Kennedy and Howard Dean along with Bush and Rush Limbaugh in the list of those as dangerous to society as Ahmadinejad. Then maybe you would have a point.

You are right, there are other dangerous ones. And if you want to expand my point about attacks on liberals to attacks on conservatives, then by all means do it. But, if you are trying to silence me for discussing the points I want to make, then you obviously don't hold so dear the very freedom of expression you claim to be advocating.



posted on Sep, 6 2006 @ 10:36 PM
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Originally posted by df1

I don't give many of these:
You have voted Jamuhn for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.


i wonder what you think the more intelligent members would think of you giving a vote for a one liner that is nothing more than pure propaganda and an exageration.....


Originally posted by df1
I fail to see how anyone can actually see a difference between christian fundamentalist and muslim fundamentalist. Neither speaks for God, no matter how much they insist that they do.


The United States is not looking forward to purge a whole country and it's people, despite the "claims" of some.... That's one of the differences.... anyways.....what the heck is this thread about?....

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posted on Sep, 6 2006 @ 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by Jamuhn
And yet this article is about the political struggles within Iran. While I don't agree with you, even you say the Iranian president is trying to push his political wishes on the rest of the world. Thus, according to you the politics of the situation extend to everyone. And what I did was draw comparisons to our own societies.

But apparently, we can talk all day about Iranian politics and how crazy he is, but when we draw parallels with our own politics it is considered taboo. The only reason it is taboo is because people can't stay civil when talking about politics on ATS and extend to unrelated discussion. But, drawing comparisons is related to this discussion whether you agree with my opinions or not.


No, it is your opinion but it has nothing to do with the topic, much less when people like yourself are "trying your hardest" to make a comparison between the U.S. and Iran, or even Hitler's Germany......

You want to see a parallel between the two because it suits your agenda against Republicans.

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posted on Sep, 6 2006 @ 11:27 PM
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That is just plain silly Muadibb. I never compared the US to Hitler or Iran. I noted similarities between the words of Ahmadinejad and those in America who call for the same. As well, don't pretend to know who you are talking to, as my beliefs are more similar to Republicans than they are to Democrats, even though I still respect their beliefs if not their party.

You try your hardest to slander members including myself when you have no other way to debate them. And you admonish df1 for his opinion by saying "what will other members think" in an attempt to cull him back to the herd. Truly disgusting.



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posted on Sep, 7 2006 @ 12:12 AM
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Originally posted by Jamuhn
It's the people not the party itself. If you want some examples, look at the sayings of Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and even many of those on ATS.

Many Republicans hate liberals in the US, but when they read a headline like this, they won't mind dogging Iran for it since it can be used in their political interests.

Of course Iran should be faulted for this, but you see the same thing happening in many "nationalizing" countries, including the US.

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You could say the same things about liberals hating republicans, facists hating communists and vise versa all the live long day. OUR education system in the US is secular if you dont remember. Not to jump on you, I being a republican myself hate no liberal, gay, muslim or any other group that republicans are at times stereotyped for hating. I dont care what you believe or say as long as you do it respectfully. I dont see this coming "purging" of liberals and secularists our of our society at all. Things will remain as they are now, do what you want(as long as you dont hurt anyone else), say what you want(as long as its not slander), and think what you want.



posted on Sep, 7 2006 @ 01:34 AM
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Originally posted by grover

Oh please Muaddib you surely don't believe that do you? That is simply laughable even coming from you. The left (that is assuming this country has ever had an actual left which I doubt) and liberalism, even in it's hayday didn't have that kind of power, muchless the kind of power Bush and his congressional enablers have today.


Yes i do know so, you just have to ask any student who has tried to "think for himself/herself" and tried to discuss against the political/economic/ideological arguments presented by a liberal professor.


Originally posted by grover
Back to reality.


I was discussing reality....



Originally posted by grover
The untold story behind this is what the Iranian government has been doing to the Baha'i's in that country. The Baha'i Faith had its start in Iran in the 1840's, they are fundamentally apolitical and their fundamental principles include the essential oneness of all religions and the oneness of mankind...they work towards an agenda of world peace and dialogue between the various peoples and religions towards goals that we can all agree on and that will be a benefit to humanity. Their only sin as it were is that they are considered apostates and heretics within Islam and specifically Shiia. In the 19th century over 20,000 were tortured and killed. The bloodletting continued throughout the 20th century and picked up steam after the Iranian revolution. Since then several hundred have been killed. Their holy places destroyed, their cemeteries dug up, people have been deprived of housing, jobs and their bank accounts. Currently there is a push to deprive them of a basic education, all for believing in the oneness of mankind.

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This has nothing to do with just one religion nomatter what religion it is. There were/are many ethnic groups which were/are part of what is modern day Iraq/Iran, and they had/have many different cultures, and religions.

Nomatter how much some people would love it for one religion, or one economic system, to rule the world it is never going to happen. Simply because as humans we all have different ideas/ideals, views, dreams and needs. People will always follow whatever religion suits them, and their spirituality best. There is a little bit of truth in "most" religions.

Anyways, this is about the Iranian president wanting to go back to the old days when Islamic extremists tried to subjugate every other religion and culture they came in contact with, most often they integrated parts of the old cultures into their own, proclaiming that they were the founders of such knowledge, but it was not so.

In the past we have had some other threads with statements in which the Iranian president himself has stated that he wants the Iranian people to adopt the traditional Islamic society.

Already there are some changes to this traditional Islamic society, with the implementation of the traditional dress code once more. People have to wear the traditional robes, women have to wear the niqāb, including implementing colors as they have been traditionally used in the past.

More and more we can see by the statements of the Iranian president that he is an extremist, and according to him they won't be stopped by anyone. Now not even moderates can have a government job there, and yes, there is a huge difference between Iranian liberals and liberals in the U.S. and other western countries.

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posted on Sep, 7 2006 @ 05:23 AM
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Originally posted by Jamuhn
But apparently, we can talk all day about Iranian politics and how crazy he is, but when we draw parallels with our own politics it is considered taboo. The only reason it is taboo is because people can't stay civil when talking about politics on ATS and extend to unrelated discussion. But, drawing comparisons is related to this discussion whether you agree with my opinions or not.

These were the very first words from you:

Originally posted by Jamuhn
First Reaction:
Looks like he has something in common with many of the Republicans in the US.

No discussion of the topic, just a knee-jerk reaction that was anticipated.:shk:

Of course you can draw parallels between American and Iranian politics. Just start your own thread, instead of derailing this one.



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