I blame the CURRENT administration for all these problems. It wasnt until the Bush takeover of the White House that we started falling apart at the seams.

Where's the border security? Oh and that SuperHighway from Mexico to Canada?
What's that for?

I do agree that it is our faults. More specifically, the fault of those blinded by their love for the Republican party unable to see thru Bush & Co.

This has been going on too long to blame just Bush. It's a national disgrace that we don't have a defensive wall built along our borders to keep illegals out. This goes back decades and decades. All that wasted money on Vietnam ... if only it had been used to secure the borders we wouldn't have a lot of problems that we have today and we wouldn't be wasting billions on the criminal illegals who are in this country.

Originally posted by Roper

Now you can blame Bush and maybe you should. You should also blame your state politicians too. You may wish to blame the Democrats too, I think they were in total control of both houses of congress for a very long time and had the White House also form time to time. One more place to put the blame, YOU, for letting this problem get this far.

For the past 30 years, we've had ONLY ONE Democrat president, the rest were Republican. And don't forget that for the last SIX years wev'e had a REpublican-controlled Congress and Senate. What in the world are you talking about, blaming the Democrats?
A big problem is that we haven't been enforcing the immigration laws that we do have. Sorry, I'm not in charge of enforcing the laws, I'm not guilty on that end.

Republicans and Democrats are victims of the same sickness IMO. That's why you should blame both of them. The two huge parties (and some incredibly small ones) system clearly doesn't work because they're both being both out. Clinton was just as NWO minded as the rest of the Presidents in the past 30 years. In fact IMO probably all of the recent presidential candidates of those two parties were like that, and where not independant from external "forces" influencing the way they work to the benefit of those "influencers".

I think that a certain someones post d#%$^&e is the most uneducated response ive ever read on tyhis forum..

If Farmers are finding a shortage of workers to pick the produce, then they should look to the dwellers of the big cities, where restaurants, automotive services, day-labor and other work is drawing the illegals because they can MAKE MORE MONEY either by displacing a local laborer or working on the very lucrative drug trade as a runner, spotter or trafficker.

Are their children too good to be doing this kind of work? Maybe a deal with the local Law Enforcement would be a good thing?

[edit on 5-9-2006 by 2stepsfromtop]

You made one of my points Grady.(I think I might have committed mass murder if I had seen this in my city One of these days this is going to get out of hand.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"

We have people that want to take over this country, Mexicans and Muslims. They won't assimilate. What if they join forces? Muslims are good at making IED's. Remember the two that have all of those cell phones? BOOM!


Roper

I'll assume that dig was for me.

So, WHO IS IT WHO WONT SECURE THE BORDERS?

CLINTON?

Answer me that one.

Yeah, Clinton was too busy getting blown to deal with Al Qeada and the rest of the garbage that was dumped on the current administration. He was too busy getting rich off the Internet boom of the 90's to care about border security, military spending or securing our nation. He did however take some time for some ethnic cleansing in Bosnia though...

The only way to make a difference now is to become active in local politics. One day in the next 20-50 years you could see a major change in the political structure of the US. Our government has outgrown itself, and it needs to be more grass roots. If you would actually split the US into territories, you could make sure any taxes are actually going where they should. Run for a local office and help to make a better future for your kids. There is no way to save ourselves from our government, but we can save our kids.

[edit on 6-9-2006 by esdad71]

You didnt answer my question.

WHO IS IT WHO WONT SECURE THE BORDERS???

The ACLU, and every other anti-???? league in the US, oh, and Bill CLinton....

Oh sure.

What's the sense in trying to get a straight answer.

Indulge.

I am playing with you about the Clinton comment dg since you bought it in, but in all honesty, it is the ACLU and other anti-defamation leagues. You know this is true. If it was a government thing, Haliburton or a subsidary woule be building it right now. You see, the government doesn't have as much control as you think.

Just when you thought there were enough problems going on in the world, some bigot has to go calling for a lynch mob on two types of people he doesn't like, blaming them for the world's problems.

Tell me, Roper, WTF has a Mexican or a Muslim ever done to you personally? Really.

"Them Mexicans is taking our jobs!"

Really? Reaaaally? How many Americans do you know are clamoring over each other to try and get a job mowing grass, plucking chickens, collecting trash, or washing dishes? How many such places are just so incredibly full of content, happy workers, that they never need to hire any more people?

The illegal immigrants are not taking your job at the office. Now, you being a bigot and all, I'm guessing you're not exactly in a white-collar field, or you'd have learned how to make nice-nice with people whom are different than you. Blue collar fields? Come on. Illegals can't even get a job as a fry cook at McDonald's. Illegal immigrants are usually scraping the absolute bottom of the barrel for the jobs no other person would ever voluntarily do, living in the shadows of the country.

Let me be blunt. I've lived in Texas my entire life. We know Mexicans. We're surrounded by 'em. I don't mean Latinos who are first or second generation citizens, I mean honest-to-God, just crossed the border with no green card, living 20 to an apartment, sleeping on the floor, Mexicans.

You know what? I hope someday my own kids have even half the work-ethic that they do. These aren't some inhuman creatures crawling up the wall with 6-inch claws stealing our chickens, they are human beings coming from a place so terrible they'd rather come to the U.S. and live in the worst conditions, working for the worst employers, at a wage that is far below that of the poverty lines.

These aren't panhandlers, they aren't looking for some kind of handout, and if you can afford a computer an internet connection, there's an almost certain chance they aren't competing with you for jobs. So why don't you just shut the hell up about your little bigoted civil war against the Mexicans. When we Texans think it's a problem, we'll let you know. And believe me, we won't be shy about it, and we'll be the first to know, seeing as how we actually fought a war of Independence against them a couple of centuries ago. Until then, just shut up. You're only making yourself look like a racist.

Now, as for Muslims... that's just flat out ignorant. What's a Muslim look like? They aren't a race, they're a religion. Your white buddies with the blond hair and blue eyes and the last name of Smith is just as likely to be a Muslim as the guy running the local convenience store wearing a turban. You don't magically become Middle-Eastern looking once you're a Muslim.

And so how would you even know if they were taking control of the country? Probably through political sway. I've got news for you. Muslims have less political sway than just about anyone else at the moment. You wanna look at what religion has taken over the country, check out Christians. There's PLENTY of factual info there to support an assertion that they've got a rather tight grip on our Constitution and are tugging pretty hard.

Geez. Roper, your post is tripe. I'm not going to attack you personally, except to say you're ignorant and your words smack loudly of bigotry, but your post is absolute and utter troll-bait tripe, and I feel sorry for anyone who happens to read and believe it.

I'm afraid I didn't actually read Roper's whole post at the at the beginning of the thread, and I regret that.

I agree fully with thelibra here. And we are not allowing anyone here on the forum to call other people barbarians (exactly the sentence I missed in that post unfortunately). Those same people are members of ATS just like you. How would you feel if somebody else called you and/or your people barbarians?