Jews Face Violence Again

Historically a culture that has endured decades of violence and oppression, it seems modern times are no exception. The Jewish people are no strangers to violence committed against them because of their religion. Now as has happened in the past, Jews are being persecuted because Israel chose to defend her citizens.



Five cartoons are printed and Muslims fill the streets, riot and cause damage nationwide. They threaten, destroy and deface with Graffiti and we defend them. Hizbollah sends rockets into Israel intending to kill civilians and that is OK. Israel defends herself and kills civilians because Hizbollah uses them as shields and we condemn them.
We spout about religious freedom and equality, but that apparently only applies to Non-Jewish religions. Where is the outcry for the Jews? When does the killing of Jewish civilians rate the same outcry as the killing of Muslim civilians?
If the Jews took to the streets in a riot and destroyed any of the Embassies supporting Hizbollah, would that be as tolerated as the reverse that actually happaned?

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Where is the religious equality in Israel? Why do Jews get better treatment than non-Jews? Why are people who practice faiths such as Bahaism, Islam, Christianity, and even Scientology segregated in Israel? Do you know what racial groups fall into being "semitic"? All of Hezbollah's targets were military bases, not civilian areas, please do not change the facts.

[edit on 3-9-2006 by DJMessiah]

First, I don't think this can be compared with the case of the cartoons, that could be considered as an attack on the Muslim religion, this is an attack on Jewish people.

I didn't saw any references to something like this on any other country, maybe there is something in the UK that has put people against the Jews.

And I say people because, apparently, this is happening with all kinds of people, not just Muslims.

The attackers, when visible, are from across society, he said. “When it’s verbal abuse, it’s just ordinary people in the street, from middle-class women to working-class men. All colours and backgrounds. We hardly ever see incidents involving the classic neo-Nazi skinhead. Muslims are over-represented.”

Could this be the result of UK's media or UK's politicians?

I don't know, maybe some of our UK members can help us find a reason for this.

In UK politics, the radical left is very anti-israel and have been accused of being extremely anti-semetic. The RESPECT party has members, who have used the Protocols of the Elders of Zion to explain Israel and accused Jews of controling the world.

BBC has been accused by the Israeli government of being anti-semetic.

anybody who seems to critisise the israeli goverment is branded anti semitic, the backlash against jews and israelis is mainly caused in my opinion by the way that the israelis have bulldozed people alive in their homes and shot children dead for throwing stones at them, and all this whilst throwing "your anti semitic" coments and the holocaust in peoples faces when they are critised

The BBC were criticised because they showed video of Israeli tanks shooting at a Palestinian ambulance worker who got blown in two by a shell. Unfortunately there are some stupid and hate-filled people in the UK who are looking for scapegoats, be they Jewish or Muslim, and who, for example, can't distinguish between ordinary British Jews and the Israeli government. The UK is not alone in this, however. Racism is hardly unique to that country, is it?

However, the pro-Israeli lobby is very upset about coverage of their actions in Palestine and Lebanon, because they're no longer portrayed with the fawning sympathy prevalent in the US media. When I was a child it was all about plucky little Israel standing up to the nasty Arabs, and now it's become somewhat more nuanced.

Anti-semitism (using it in the restrictive and inaccurate sense of Jew-hating) has a long and ignoble tradition in the UK going back to Shakespeare, I'm sorry to say. But it's important not to confuse it with entirely legitimate criticism of a racist, apartheid regime.

Originally posted by DJMessiah
All of Hezbollah's targets were military bases, not civilian areas, please do not change the facts.

Like the 18 year old man that was kidnapped and executed by Hezbollah at the beginning of the current hostilities? Can you consider the civilians that were forced to stay behind in Lebanon so that Hezbollah could have "human shields", military targets?

Semper, you are correct. Israel has very very few supporters in the world, and none in the mideast. There will be no outcry when an atrocity is committed against the Jews.

Originally posted by jsobecky

Originally posted by DJMessiah
All of Hezbollah's targets were military bases, not civilian areas, please do not change the facts.

Like the 18 year old man that was kidnapped and executed by Hezbollah at the beginning of the current hostilities? Can you consider the civilians that were forced to stay behind in Lebanon so that Hezbollah could have "human shields", military targets?

Semper, you are correct. Israel has very very few supporters in the world, and none in the mideast. There will be no outcry when an atrocity is committed against the Jews.

MY reference had been to Hezbollah's rocket attacks. It's a reply to the original poster stating, "Hizbollah sends rockets into Israel intending to kill civilians and that is OK." Read more carefully, please.

Do you really think Hezbollah used civilians as "human shields"? You hear from the media that Israel gave warning and dropped pamplets for people to leave, but wouldn't you find it difficult to leave considering that Israel bombed the airport and bridges leading out of the towns? It doesn't give much option to the ones who wanted to flee. Israel kept them trapped in the area, and then paraded their propoganda that Hezbollah were using "human shields."

You should also understand that that not every Jew supports Israel. Read and look at the links at:

en.wikipedia.org...

www.whatreallyhappened.com...

The Rabbis state that the Torah forbids the Jewish religion into becoming a material entity, and in this case the state of Israel.

[edit on 3-9-2006 by DJMessiah]

Like the 18 year old man that was kidnapped and executed by Hezbollah at the beginning of the current hostilities?

Documentation, please?
I'm pretty sure the event you refer to occured in Gaza, not Lebanon, and had nothing to do with Hezbollah.

On the topic at hand, this thread is a cheap attempt to play the victim card. Fact is both Jews and Muslims have faced hate cimes attacks in the West, it's repulsive but nothing new.

For Israel's supporters to play the victim card is particlarly repulsive now, considering the mass slaughter the Israelis just pulled off in Lebanon in the doubtful name of "self defense."

[edit on 9/3/06 by xmotex]

As a matter of fact, the kidnapping occured in the West Bank, and had nothing to do with Hezbollah

The IDF confirmed early Thursday a report the Popular Resistance Committees issued from Gaza that it had executed Eliyahu Asheri, 18, of Itamar, who was kidnapped earlier this week in the West Bank. Asheri's family has been notified.

Jerusalem Post

Just thought I would clear up the confusion.

People forget that Queen Elizabeth, Prince Charles, previous ancestors & decendants all claim direct lineage to King David. People also forget the Israel is a nation of people made up of 12 tribes, NOT JUST THE HOUSE OF JUDAH/Jews.
The Jews in power at the time rejected the Messiah and had Him killed. The Jews ended up being taken into cpativity but so did the other tribes. The majority of the West have been tricked by those in power & the Catholic church that they are gentiles when really they are part of the Nation of Israel. Who are the wealthiest on the planet? The West. Why? Because of Abrahams willingness to sacrifice his son thus his decendants would be blessed. In my opinion the Jews shouldn't get to claim the Title Israeli cause they are really only 1/12th of the equation.

Now when you throw in The Rothchilds and the international Bankers who claim to be Talmudic Jews that control the worlds finances including that of Hitler & the holocaust you gotta start asking some serious questions but are prevented because of "Hate" laws. This can lead people into frustration & eventually consumed with hate. But remeber it's not the regular Torah Jews that did this, its the finacial power brokers that control the money (Rothchilds & their agents).

The people of the U.K. need to take out their frustration on the world's landlords and go after the Rothchilds not Krusty the clown.

Originally posted by semperfortis
Historically a culture that has endured decades of violence and oppression, it seems modern times are no exception. The Jewish people are no strangers to violence committed against them because of their religion. Now as has happened in the past, Jews are being persecuted because Israel chose to defend her citizens.

Oh c'mon we all now that Izrael is not the ANGEL !!! Racial problems are everywhere and that's not the case to say that jews are suffering the most. Jews should stop playing the victim all the time...

Yep agree, so we now have to slap all those who engage in hate crime into prison. oh but lets hold on here - the darling elite would cry themselves to sleep if a poor misunderstood little muslim lost his right to free speech - let them threaten death and destruction on the streets, let them kill people and threaten people because of their race, sexuality, world view, but please, lets not say that those poor misunderstood muslims could EVER be engaged in hate crime.... ooohhh next your going to say they are in sympthathy with terrorist world wide...tut tut that would never do now would it.

Muslims have a very wierd world view when it comes to free speech and hate crimes. We have to cry if they get targeted in any way, but look the other way if they target people?? sickening.

All of Hezbollah's targets were military bases, not civilian areas, please do not change the facts.

Do you have a TV????

FACTS:

Hezbollah claims that some of its attacks are aimed at military bases inside Israel, which are legitimate targets. But most of the attacks appear to have been directed at civilian areas and have hit pedestrians, hospitals, schools, homes and businesses.
As of August 4, Hezbollah had launched a reported 2,500 rockets into predominantly civilian areas in northern Israel. Some longer-range rockets landed as far south as the city of Hadera, some 85 km from the border. Hezbollah announced that it had attacked Hadera on August 4 in retaliation for an Israeli air raid in Lebanon earlier that day that reportedly killed more than 20 farm workers.
Yesterday, Hezbollah’s leader, Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah, offered to stop bombing Israel’s “northern settlements” if the Israeli military stopped bombing Lebanon’s “cities and civilians.” He also warned that an Israeli attack on Beirut would result in Hezbollah bombing Tel Aviv.
www.hrw.org...

More Facts

Hours later, a barrage of rockets pounded Haifa after sunset, killing at least three people. One of the dead was a woman who died when a rocket struck her home in an Arab neighborhood, according to police and ambulance services. (Watch residents dig through fiery rubble -- 1:32)
The Israeli military said it has captured a Hezbollah militant responsible for kidnapping two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid last month.

The July 12 kidnappings ignited the fighting between Israel and Hezbollah.
www.cnn.com...

More

Lebanon: Hezbollah Rocket Attacks on Haifa Designed to Kill Civilians
Hezbollah's attacks in Israel on Sunday and Monday were at best indiscriminate attacks in civilian areas, at worst the deliberate targeting of civilians. Either way, they were serious violations of international humanitarian law and probable war crimes, Human Rights Watch said today.www.a2mediagroup.com...

Just so you know

Semper

Originally posted by D4rk Kn1ght
Muslims have a very wierd world view when it comes to free speech and hate crimes. We have to cry if they get targeted in any way, but look the other way if they target people?? sickening.

I think you should have said "some Muslims".

Not all Muslims have the view of free speech and hate crimes that you were talking about.

semperforits, you say Hezbollah targeted civilians, yet most of those Israelis killed were military. And on the Israeli side, most of those Lebanese killed were civilians. Who's trying to change the facts?

I agree the Hezbollah targeting of Israeli population centers is disgusting.
But on the other hand not nearly as murderous as Israel's attack on Lebanese population centers.

An interesting detail: if you look at the relatively few Israeli civilian casualties, you'll notice a surprisingly high proportion of Israeli Arab casualties. This is because Israel only builds bomb shelters for it's Jewish population, Arabs and Christians need not apply. "Equal citizens" indeed...

Don't believe me? Ask an Israeli.
(One of the minority who still have functional consciences...)

[edit on 9/3/06 by xmotex]

Originally posted by DYepes
As a matter of fact, the kidnapping occured in the West Bank, and had nothing to do with Hezbollah

The IDF confirmed early Thursday a report the Popular Resistance Committees issued from Gaza that it had executed Eliyahu Asheri, 18, of Itamar, who was kidnapped earlier this week in the West Bank. Asheri's family has been notified.

Jerusalem Post

Just thought I would clear up the confusion.

Yes, you are correct. It was the PRC. My bad. It's hard to keep all the different incidents apart.

Originally posted by Jamuhn
semperforits, you say Hezbollah targeted civilians, yet most of those Israelis killed were military. And on the Israeli side, most of those Lebanese killed were civilians. Who's trying to change the facts?

How can you tell, other than the age, if they are civilians or Hezbollah? After all, they don't wear uniforms.

Actually from what I've read since, Hezbollah generally do wear uniforms when going into combat. As for other was of telling them apart, generally Hezbollah fighters will be the ones with the guns.