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posted on Sep, 2 2006 @ 04:42 AM
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There have been unexplained explosions in galaxies, witnessed by numerous astronomers.

Five or six years ago an article in the Herald Tribune said there had been at least 80 unexplained explosions in deep space during the last decade alone! This had baffled many of the leading scientists and astronomers who were at a complete loss to explain the phenomenon! According to the article the largest of these explosions had occurred "180,000 light years away in the large Magellanic Cloud outside our galaxy"!

The article also related that, "Ray Klebesadel, a leading scientist at Los Alamos, said This event was definitely not a supernova!" According to him the explosion was more like a nuclear bomb blast!

This was a view also echoed by a nuclear physicist Stanton T. Friedmann who declared: "Tremendous activity of this sort could well be life out there involved in a war"! Another quote is from James Oberg of Houston who is on record as saying: " It is a legitimate theory that star wars may be taking place!"


So what's happening here? George Lucas' Star Wars could be based on a story written from almost forgotten memories, events that had actually taken place...in a galaxy far far away!

So is it so incredible? Is it science fiction? It's a huge universe out there, billions of years old that could have civilisations billions of years ahead of us technologically.

I feel Star Wars is a reality that could be happening at this moment somewhere in the universe. Sounds exciting, to say the least!!

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posted on Sep, 2 2006 @ 06:35 AM
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I think that is a bit extreme. There are so much phenomena we don't know about even on our own planet, and yet this person can just assume that these things might be nuclear weapons, just because they've never witnessed anything like it? Hmm


It's probably just something that stars do every now and then, just explode in some weird way that doesn't count as a supernova. Stars are fusion powered, the main stage of nuclear weapons is fusion based . . . you make the link.



posted on Sep, 2 2006 @ 06:43 AM
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although it is certainly posible that other wars are going on it's probably more likely to be large asteroid/comet strikes?



posted on Sep, 2 2006 @ 07:37 AM
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Without seeing the original news article (how odd they provide no link to it, and only precise what it says
) it's impossible to know for sure. But my guess is that it actually refers to gamma-ray blasts - which Ray Klebesadel was involved in discovering. In which case '5 or 6 years ago' probably means 1973 ...

antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov...

www.esa.int...



posted on Sep, 2 2006 @ 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by watch_the_rocks
I think that is a bit extreme.


Why?


and yet this person can just assume that these things might be nuclear weapons, just because they've never witnessed anything like it? Hmm


Well why not consider it a valid theory? Do you want to live in a boring universe where it's only planet earth were we so regularly visit death and destruction on each other? We already have weapons that can 'shake the earth apart' ( Tesla said so; must be true.
) so why not assume others will destroy solar systems?


It's probably just something that stars do every now and then, just explode in some weird way that doesn't count as a supernova.


So you really have nothing to add beside the fact that you do not like what he proposes? Dont mythology tell us all about the wars the gods waged on each other? If we can go from crude rockets to considering anti matter weapons in little more than 100 years how long is it going to take us to consider how to destroy somethin elses sun?


Stars are fusion powered, the main stage of nuclear weapons is fusion based . . . you make the link.


Are they?

www.thesurfaceofthesun.com... I wont be at all surprised to tell you the truth.

Stellar



posted on Sep, 2 2006 @ 10:47 PM
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Originally posted by StellarX

Are they?


Why yes they are



Wikipedia

Energy is produced by exothermic thermonuclear reactions (nuclear fusion) that mainly convert hydrogen into helium.


And I must say, that article seems a bit sensationalist. 12 examination marks in that 'war' section alone. I'm sure when those scientists spoke they were not waving their arms around in the air excitedly spilling out their theories. The thing is with the internet, anyone with any sort of bias could have written that. You never know.

But with that all aside, all I am doing is offering a different view. As I said just before,


One of the things I really love about ATS, and this is something I recognized from my first day of being a member, is that you can be guaranteed to see every side of an argument. That is something special. It's unlike the newspapers, it's unlike the television, it's unlike most other sites and forums on the web.


It's always good to see two sides of things.
 

 

As someone said before, possibly Gamma Ray bursts could have something to do with this. Check this link to find out what these things are. Scientists are currently not entirely sure where these things come from, but have a few theories . . . all of which do not involve nuclear weapons.

And chances are, other species' out there are NOT going to be as stupid as humans. I mean, think about it. There were times when we came not within hours but within minutes of destroying this planet; all over some territorial disputes? I think it's verysad that we feel that need and that we have let it get that far. I am pretty sure that if there was a scale for intelligence, us homosapiens would be somewhere near the bottom. And if we aren't, that's where be belong as a whole.

btw, I did some research on this 'Ray Klebesadel' guy. The first google result is A Brief History of the Discovery of Cosmic Gamma-Ray Bursts.

I think that the author/s of the article/s got Gamma Ray bursts, nuclear-weapons detonation-detecting satellites from the Cold War, and various statements from these men mixed up.

Plus:


PBS.org

Early BATSE maps of locations of gamma-ray bursters showed that bursts came not only at random times but from random directions.


I doubt that there are numerous nuclear wars going on at the same time in all different parts of the galaxy. And I doubt that nuclear weapons are the pinnacle of weapons technology anyway - so what's that chance of more than one other civilization being at the same 'development' stage as we are? What, some dude just went around planting germs (or whatever started life) on planets at the same time?


Anyway, all this looks like to me is some try hard got his notes mixed up. And just because a newspaper printed something on this, you can't say that newspapers accurately portray facts now, can we?



posted on Sep, 3 2006 @ 03:26 AM
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A lot of things could have happened in the 15 or 20 billion years since the universe was created. Intelligent life and technologically advanced civilizations may have evolved on other planetary systems even before the formation of our Solar System! And that’s mind boggling to say the least! But one cannot discount this altogether.


For arguments sake, lets imagine that primitive life happens once in the lifetime of a trillion galaxies, and out of those only one in a trillion ever evolves out of its womb planet into a space-faring civilization.

In this example then we are still left with an astounding 10 to the par 75 advanced societies - more alien cultures than the number of atoms composing planet Earth!

Again, for some perspective on such a gargantuan number, there are more advanced civilizations partying it up around the galaxies than there are atoms in every single grain of sand on all the beaches and deserts in the world, and then some.

www.futurehi.net...


So what we're looking at is literally beyond comprehension! Could these advanced civilizations be also involved in a war of domination? A war between good and evil?

But wouldn't advanced civilisations have spiritually advanced to the stage of 'enlightenment' where war is banished forever? What if not?



posted on Sep, 3 2006 @ 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by watch_the_rocks
Why yes they are


Why are they considering how little we know about the universe? In the absence of facts and general evidence there really is no reason not to note ALL the possibilities...



Wikipedia

Energy is produced by exothermic thermonuclear reactions (nuclear fusion) that mainly convert hydrogen into helium.


So they keep saying yes but here we have evidence of the Sun not really being what they say it is.


And I must say, that article seems a bit sensationalist. 12 examination marks in that 'war' section alone. I'm sure when those scientists spoke they were not waving their arms around in the air excitedly spilling out their theories. The thing is with the internet, anyone with any sort of bias could have written that. You never know.


A scientist can turn the most interesting thing under the sun ( surface in this case) into something boring and very uninteresting but limiting his speculation as to likely possibilities while having no good evidence to suggest any one of them over another. The best way to keep a secret is simply by omitting mention of anything incriminating.


But with that all aside, all I am doing is offering a different view. As I said just before,


We can trust the science community to come up with the boring completely devoid of life explanations for almost anything as their aim is clearly to bore us out of the discussion.


One of the things I really love about ATS, and this is something I recognized from my first day of being a member, is that you can be guaranteed to see every side of an argument.


I have found that convention reigns on ATS as it does anywhere else and that questioning the norm, even with sources by the dozen, will no more gain you recognition or reward than stating it as if it's shear complete devoid of reason opinion.


That is something special. It's unlike the newspapers, it's unlike the television, it's unlike most other sites and forums on the web.


I have been defending my views since day one on forums ten times more conservative than this one ( not that people here is all that open minded ) so while i have sympathy with the fact that this is more informative than newspaper/tv it really could be so very much better had the policy of 'denying ignorance' been true for conventional views as well.


It's always good to see two sides of things.


Only when you your learning the ropes and do not yet understand that there is a well informed view and then another. We keep our doors ( we all makes mistakes after all) open but being able to see both sides of argument is not particularly useful if you do not have the knowledge to pick one over another. One might obviously suspend judgement but only if your actively looking for the answer.


As someone said before, possibly Gamma Ray bursts could have something to do with this. Check this link to find out what these things are. Scientists are currently not entirely sure where these things come from, but have a few theories . . . all of which do not involve nuclear weapons.


I know what they are and while it may very well be a very likely explanation you should obviously be aware that scientist are NOT paid to come up with theories or solutions that are found unacceptable by those who pay their salaries. The science establishment is extremely dogmatic and when one sees who funds them ( and what it provides the funds for ) it's no surprise that they seemingly never mention alternatives that are not inherently boring.


And chances are, other species' out there are NOT going to be as stupid as humans.


Well mythology tells us that many of the ancient gods who visited earth were in fact humanoid and could even have children by earth women. ( it's in the bible ; it must be true
) so why assume whoever is blowing up planets is any smarter than us or not in fact just other human colonies seeded long ago by the same agent/force than brought us here? There is no known human progenitor just yet and Francis Crick had choice words ( Darwin never claimed it either as far as i know) for how DNA could come about - almost impossible or something like that- so as far as i am concerned we could just be another colony of humans in a fast universe filled with much the same.


I mean, think about it. There were times when we came not within hours but within minutes of destroying this planet; all over some territorial disputes? I think it's verysad that we feel that need and that we have let it get that far.


"We' ( humanity) were never really involved in those choices as those who rule as do not act very human to start with and might as well not be considering what they say about us. Do not presume to suggest that it's humanity that desperately seeks self annihilation when it's clearly just a small group who will kill almost all of us rather than lose control.


I am pretty sure that if there was a scale for intelligence, us homosapiens would be somewhere near the bottom. And if we aren't, that's where be belong as a whole.


Well i hope you have more self respect than respect for humanity as you clearly do not think highly of the rest of us.... Glad your not representing us in any official capacity!


btw, I did some research on this 'Ray Klebesadel' guy. The first google result is A Brief History of the Discovery of Cosmic Gamma-Ray Bursts.
I think that the author/s of the article/s got Gamma Ray bursts, nuclear-weapons detonation-detecting satellites from the Cold War, and various statements from these men mixed up.


Hardly matters as we can likely find 'natural' explanations for most weapon effects of that scale considering our universe at large. We should however not be forced to listen to mundane possibilities when there are very possible and real alternatives 'just because' scientist are scared to death of speculating in certain areas. It's perfectly fine when you come up with strikingly unlikely explanations as long as their mundane and boring enough to discourage open minded people all round the world. Science , like politics, is clearly not something the ' useless eaters ( prince Albert? )' will be allowed to get involved in.


I doubt that there are numerous nuclear wars going on at the same time in all different parts of the galaxy.


If their anything like us i find it highly unlikely that there wont be numerous solar system destroying wars going on at any given moment considering the massive energy that can be tapped from the vacuum and massive armada's created in short order. If you can not wrap your mind around the idea that the Universe might be in perpetual warfare you should spend time to consider what would happen if humans took to the stars and had hundreds of solar systems to fight over with earth shattering weapons at their disposal. It's just the logical conclusion and next step if one looks at human history so far.


And I doubt that nuclear weapons are the pinnacle of weapons technology anyway - so what's that chance of more than one other civilization being at the same 'development' stage as we are?


When you destroy suns and planets your going to have certain effects by whichever means you do it. If we consider our earthly examples few secrets stay that way for a long time and under pressure of annihilation equilibrium will be reached if warfare is persistent. You are assuming that any living thing must die in these wars when it could be energy agents/robotic wars between completely non organic entities. There really is no limit to what is possible so why pluck limitations from thin air? What are you afraid of?


What, some dude just went around planting germs (or whatever started life) on planets at the same time?


Stargates or panspermia? We have good evidence that life ( and human intelligence) may very well not be from here as plenty of tribes and civilizations claim that their originators came from the stars. When we discount their beliefs we really do nothing but prove that we are close minded fools who consider the limits of our knowledge and understanding as some kind of universal expression of 'truth'. It's our own self assumed arrogance that will doom us in the future as it is now.


Anyway, all this looks like to me is some try hard got his notes mixed up. And just because a newspaper printed something on this, you can't say that newspapers accurately portray facts now, can we?


No but we can sometimes thank them for printing pure speculation as the only difference between that and what our science establishment speculates about is that it refuses to accept self assumed limits imposed by the moneyed interest that drives science. When we accept these barriers on our own minds we are playing their game and we are robbing ourselves of the excitement that a open minded no-holds- barred thinking results in.

Sermon over.

Stellar



posted on Sep, 3 2006 @ 10:12 PM
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To say the least, this is a very interesting article. I for one would love to witness some of this stuff. The idea of other civilizations being at war is not totally out of question. The universe is housed to a lot of possibilities.

I'd love to see more on this topic if possible.



posted on Sep, 7 2006 @ 03:11 AM
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They're engaged in the GWOT.

Galactic War on Terror.



posted on Sep, 14 2006 @ 09:58 AM
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Back
Sorry about the time lapse. Lots of other work.


Originally posted by StellarX
Well are they [Stars being fusion powered] considering how little we know about the universe? In the absence of facts and general evidence there really is no reason not to note ALL the possibilities...


Yes, good thing we have specific evidence!


NobelPrize.org

Neutrinos produced in the center of the sun have been detected in five experiments. Their detection shows directly that the source of the energy that the sun radiates is the fusion of hydrogen nuclei in the solar interior.


[^process^]

The same set of nuclear reactions that supply the energy of the sun's radiation also produce neutrinos that can be searched for in the laboratory.


This ‘The Surface of the Sun’ website does not specifically claim where all the suns energy comes from, but after a bit of additional research I found that those few who claim the sun is made up of iron also say that all its radiation comes from a supernova core. It is interesting to note that supernovas dim down within weeks or months, and that they are all the result of dying fusion-powered suns.

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This is also quite interesting:


Wikipedia.org

A nova is a cataclysmic nuclear explosion caused by the accretion of hydrogen onto the surface of a white dwarf star.


Note words NUCLEAR EXPLOSION.

Now considering that the original purpose of this thread was to bring to light some articles that talk about ‘unexplained’ blasts – and to quote the article directly, ‘According to him the explosion was more like a nuclear bomb blast!’–then it should go without saying that these so called mystery explosions should automatically be classed as novae, as that’s what they most probably are.

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In addition, I said ‘That article seems a bit sensationalist. 12 examination marks in that 'war' section alone. I'm sure when those scientists spoke they were not waving their arms around in the air excitedly spilling out their theories. The thing is with the internet, anyone with any sort of bias could have written that. You never know.’

StellarX said ‘A scientist can turn the most interesting thing under the sun ( surface in this case) into something boring and very uninteresting but limiting his speculation as to likely possibilities while having no good evidence to suggest any one of them over another. The best way to keep a secret is simply by omitting mention of anything incriminating.’

I do not understand what StellarX is getting at here. What do you mean, turn it into something boring? When a scientist releases a paper of his findings, he reports the fact only. Not any quick one liners of ‘OMG this part is amazing’ or ‘You won’t believe this bit!’ People accustomed to reading newspaper stories or internet articles (such as the example originally given) will find the average paper more boring than the telephone directory (which, by the way, I personally find quite itnresting.:lol
. If you do not understand those facts it would of course all be rather dull, but once you knew what all those numbers and figures actually meant, I can pretty much guarantee that a paper would be an avid read, with amazing new discoveries and theories around ever corner/page.

And what does ‘ The best way to keep a secret is simply by omitting mention of anything incriminating.’ mean, with reference to what I said?


Originally posted by StellarX
We can trust the science community to come up with the boring completely devoid of life explanations for almost anything as their aim is clearly to bore us out of the discussion.


Science is, according to my Chambers 20th Century Dictionary, ‘Knowledge ascertained by observation and experiment, critically tested, systematised and brought under general principles.’
NOT ‘Genre of entertainment specifically designed millennia ago to bore the masses out of wanting to further investigate theories and/or facts.’

Gee, just clicking on the Science section of HowStuffWorks shows me that science sure has contributed a lot to how we live. I wouldn’t even be sitting here doing this if it wasn’t for the collective effort of thousands of scientists over hundreds of years. It is obvious, to me at least, that the science community is not here to bore us into submission.

It is a pity that you view science in this light.

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Originally posted by StellarX
I have found that convention reigns on ATS as it does anywhere else and that questioning the norm, even with sources by the dozen, will no more gain you recognition or reward than stating it as if it's shear complete devoid of reason opinion.


Everywhere else, contributors are usually one sided. Newspapers, television, most internet sites, radio, you name it. Here, with members from every corner of the world (Vatican City
!!), and with pretty much every sort of discussion going on at once, I do not find this to be the case. Of course, there are those omnipresent few that totally ignore reasoning and get off from annoying other people, but I generally just chose to ignore those offensive posts. Who says that you have to be like these trolls?

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Originally posted by StellarX


Originally posted by watch_the_rocks
It's always good to see two sides of things.


Only when you your learning the ropes and do not yet understand that there is a well informed view and then another. We keep our doors ( we all makes mistakes after all) open but being able to see both sides of argument is not particularly useful if you do not have the knowledge to pick one over another. One might obviously suspend judgement but only if your actively looking for the answer.


Pick one over another? How can you say this? An event is an event. Different views show how different people/groups interpret the event. It is only by bringing every view together that you can hope to have any sort of accurate picture as to what in fact actually happened.

An example I can think of right now is this: ABOVE THE LAW AND BELOW THE RADAR, INCIDENT AT REBEL RIDGE, and the relating thread, Security Breach! Incident at Rebel Ridge. When I read the main article, I was shocked and outraged that nothing had been done at this blatant act of violence. But once I read the thread, my opinions mellowed out somewhat as members brought up all sorts of facts and views and opinions that I had never even thought of; and I find ATS to be a very good place for this. Take what I’m doing now, for example: offering a differing view on the theory posted by mikesingh, something that the original article failed to do. How can doing this be wrong?!?!

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Originally posted by StellarX
I know what they are and while it (Gamma Ray Bursts) may very well be a very likely explanation you should obviously be aware that scientist are NOT paid to come up with theories or solutions that are found unacceptable by those who pay their salaries. The science establishment is extremely dogmatic and when one sees who funds them ( and what it provides the funds for ) it's no surprise that they seemingly never mention alternatives that are not inherently boring.


You deal with double negatives by taking out two negatives. So they always mention alternatives that are always boring? I beg to differ here. How often are you surprised by a fact or explanation of how something works? Bluetooth communication can work in an electronically crowded environment by skipping frequencies 1,600 times per second. A zebra is white with black stripes. Every second our brain deals with www.abovetopsecret.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">400,000,002,000 pulses of electricity. How can you say that all this is not interesting? Perhaps once again you are taking in the language and not the words behind it. Someone could say the most horrible or the most amazing thing ever but if they used a monotonous tone of voice half the audience would miss it. Just watch the ‘Yes Men’ to see what I mean.
I think it is rather ignorant of you to make the above statement. Just walk into your state university’s science department to see what I mean.

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Originally posted by StellarX


Originally posted by watch_the_rocks
And chances are, other species' out there are NOT going to be as stupid as humans.


Well mythology tells us that many of the ancient gods who visited earth were in fact humanoid and could even have children by earth women. ( it's in the bible ; it must be true
) so why assume whoever is blowing up planets is any smarter than us or not in fact just other human colonies seeded long ago by the same agent/force than brought us here? There is no known human progenitor just yet and Francis Crick had choice words ( Darwin never claimed it either as far as i know) for how DNA could come about - almost impossible or something like that- so as far as i am concerned we could just be another colony of humans in a fast universe filled with much the same.


“It's in the bible ; it must be true
By this, I presume you’re stating that the Bible is a load of fallacies. Which is probably true.
So therefore how can your argument have weight? A book that says people from the stars started life, as well as going on about people parting water, turning to salt, and rounding up two of every animal imaginable hardly has merit. And anyway, who would be there to document these people coming down to start life?
I cannot help but notice the almost in almost impossible. I’ve seen some almost impossible things happen myself . . . usually to do with golfballs and glass, but we won’t go there.

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Originally posted by StellarX


Originally posted by watch_the_rocks
I mean, think about it. There were times when we came not within hours but within minutes of destroying this planet; all over some territorial disputes? I think it's verysad that we feel that need and that we have let it get that far.

I am pretty sure that if there was a scale for intelligence, us homosapiens would be somewhere near the bottom. And if we aren't, that's where be belong as a whole.


"We' ( humanity) were never really involved in those choices as those who rule as do not act very human to start with and might as well not be considering what they say about us. Do not presume to suggest that it's humanity that desperately seeks self annihilation when it's clearly just a small group who will kill almost all of us rather than lose control.



A human is a human. There will be fighting no matter what we say. And you believe that all these wars and deaths are only because of a few twisted men?


Originally posted by StellarX
Well i hope you have more self respect than respect for humanity as you clearly do not think highly of the rest of us.... Glad your not representing us in any official capacity!


Oh, and who is?



Yeah. Great.

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Respect for humanity?

You yourself state:


. . . consider what would happen if humans took to the stars and had hundreds of solar systems to fight over with earth shattering weapons at their disposal. It's just the logical conclusion and next step if one looks at human history so far.

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. . . our own self assumed arrogance that will doom us in the future as it is now.


Last century, 142 million people died because of military conflict. Since the invasion, 314 and a half billion dollars has been spent on Iraq. As of last year there were at least 29, 000 nuclear weapons on this planet. The total amount of fossil fuel used by humans since the start of civilization is equivalent to less than the energy provided by 30 days of sunshine. 20, 000 species become extinct every year, 3 every hour, largely due to human impact. 10,000 tonnes of nuclear waste is produced every year, with very few practical ways to dispose of it.

And you expect me to have respect for humans?


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Originally posted by StellarX


Originally posted by watch_the_rocks
I did some research on this 'Ray Klebesadel' guy. The first google result is A Brief History of the Discovery of Cosmic Gamma-Ray Bursts.
I think that the author/s of the article/s got Gamma Ray bursts, nuclear-weapons detonation-detecting satellites from the Cold War, and various statements from these men mixed up.


Hardly matters as we can likely find 'natural' explanations for most weapon effects of that scale considering our universe at large. We should however not be forced to listen to mundane possibilities when there are very possible and real alternatives 'just because' scientist are scared to death of speculating in certain areas. It's perfectly fine when you come up with strikingly unlikely explanations as long as their mundane and boring enough to discourage open minded people all round the world. Science , like politics, is clearly not something the ' useless eaters ( prince Albert? )' will be allowed to get involved in.


‘Scared to death of speculating in certain areas’?

Are you saying scientists are too scared to contemplate space events that are a threat to this planet? Once again, I disagree.
Doing research on Ray Klebesadel, I came upon something scientists called a ‘near-Earth supernova,’ something which could quite feasibly wipe out all life on Earth if it happened within 100 lightyears. Link, Link, www.armageddononline.org..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">Link. One of these could ignore probability and explode at any time, wiping out just about every living thing on this planet. Obviously, scientists discovered this fact, which shows that they are not all ‘scared to death’ about hypothesizing Earths demise.

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Originally posted by StellarX


Originally posted by watch_the_rocks
I doubt that there are numerous nuclear wars going on at the same time in all different parts of the galaxy.


If their anything like us i find it highly unlikely that there wont be numerous solar system destroying wars going on at any given moment considering the massive energy that can be tapped from the vacuum and massive armada's created in short order. If you can not wrap your mind around the idea that the Universe might be in perpetual warfare you should spend time to consider what would happen if humans took to the stars and had hundreds of solar systems to fight over with earth shattering weapons at their disposal. It's just the logical conclusion and next step if one looks at human history so far.


From original article: “According to him the explosion was more like a nuclear bomb blast!”
So why are you talking about weapons created from energy contained in vacuum?


Originally posted by StellarX


Originally posted by watch_the_rocks
And I doubt that nuclear weapons are the pinnacle of weapons technology anyway - so what's that chance of more than one other civilization being at the same 'development' stage as we are?


When you destroy suns and planets your going to have certain effects by whichever means you do it. If we consider our earthly examples few secrets stay that way for a long time and under pressure of annihilation equilibrium will be reached if warfare is persistent. You are assuming that any living thing must die in these wars when it could be energy agents/robotic wars between completely non organic entities. There really is no limit to what is possible so why pluck limitations from thin air? What are you afraid of?


I do not understand what you are saying here. Something about robotic wars and secrets.
What limitations did I come up with, sorry?
And what am I afraid of, you ask? Why, Ignorance, of course!

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Originally posted by StellarX


Originally posted by watch_the_rocks
What, some dude just went around planting germs (or whatever started life) on planets at the same time?


Stargates or panspermia? We have good evidence that life ( and human intelligence) may very well not be from here as plenty of tribes and civilizations claim that their originators came from the stars. When we discount their beliefs we really do nothing but prove that we are close minded fools who consider the limits of our knowledge and understanding as some kind of universal expression of 'truth'. It's our own self assumed arrogance that will doom us in the future as it is now.


Panspermia is a hypothesis, and a very extreme one at that. The ‘Seeds of Life’ are present at every point in the Universe at any one time? I find myself to be rather sceptical of that.
Ever heard of exogenesis? This theory states that life rather originated elsewhere in the Universe and was transferred to Earth in some manner or other. This is the commonly accepted belief, and most likely the true one.

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So you say that beings brought life to this planet aeons ago? And that if I pay no heed to the ancient writings that state this I am a close minded fool? Well then, a fool I declare myself to be; in my honest opinion life got to this planet purely by accidental means. A comet crash, perhaps. And even if entities did introduce life here, faster than light travel is an impossibility, so it is not feasible that beings could start life on more than a few planets even if they had a millennium.

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Originally posted by StellarX


Originally posted by watch_the_rocks
Anyway, all this looks like to me is some try hard got his notes mixed up. And just because a newspaper printed something on this, you can't say that newspapers accurately portray facts now, can we?


No but we can sometimes thank them for printing pure speculation as the only difference between that and what our science establishment speculates about is that it refuses to accept self assumed limits imposed by the moneyed interest that drives science. When we accept these barriers on our own minds we are playing their game and we are robbing ourselves of the excitement that a open minded no-holds- barred thinking results in.


So you would be willing to walk into the Washington Post’s head office and demand they start printing more speculation? More conjecture? More hearsay? More rumours? Yeah, okay, you just go and do that.


And anyway, how did you address my argument? I said it looks like a hack got confused, and you counter by going on about barriers in our mind


And yes, I agree no-holds-barred thinking is great fun, but I don’t see any limitations on it. Anyone can do it anytime. Just because a few people say something does that mean we all get some sort of barrier placed over that section of thought?

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Finally, I’ll repeat something I stated before:


A nova is a cataclysmic nuclear explosion caused by the accretion of hydrogen onto the surface of a white dwarf star.

Note words NUCLEAR EXPLOSION.

Considering that the original purpose of this thread was to bring to light some articles that talk about ‘unexplained’ blasts – and to quote the article directly, ‘According to him the explosion was more like a nuclear bomb blast!–then it should go without saying that these so called mystery explosions should automatically be classed as novae, as that’s what they most probably are.

 


p.s. I have looked to contact Ray Klebesadel. Unfortunately, I have had some trouble with this, but if I can have a word with him about those quotes I’ll post back, one way or another.



posted on Sep, 19 2006 @ 04:33 AM
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You disbelieve that there are advanced intelligences in the Universe? Take a peek at this:


Let's imagine that the entire universe that we have seen in all the worlds telescopes, all the galaxies, all trillion of them, extending out 13 billion light years in every direction is shrunk down to the size of a golf ball.

If we do a volume calculation, the actual universe contains 10 to the power 60 of those golf balls! Wow, I guess we didn't shrink things down far enough, but this will have to do. So how big a volume would 10 to the power 60 golf balls fill up? Try a sphere 850 light years across! So imagine a mass of golf balls that big, and each one of those golf balls contains all the stars and galaxies that we can see through our telescopes!!
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Heck! It’s a huge huge place out there where advanced civilizations could flourish. How many? Have a look at my earlier post in which I had mentioned this….

“….there are more advanced civilizations partying it up around the galaxies than there are atoms in every single grain of sand on all the beaches and deserts in the world, and then some”.


So what are we dealing with here? Billions of technologically advanced civilizations AND many probably billions of years older than us.

In just over half a century we graduated from heavier than air flight to having sausages on the Moon! But now were talking of billions of years. So where would technology be then? You mentioned that it’s impossible to travel faster than the speed of light. Yes. Today. How about a hundred or a thousand years from now? How about a billion?

What do we know of science per se, at this stage of our development? Precious little. We don’t even know what gravity is, though we talk a lot about it. We can’t even prove if Darwin was right. And it’s only a theory. In other words we don’t even know for sure how the human race came into existence! Darn, we don’t even know how the Moon got here! And what exactly are Pulsars and Quasars!

And what of those mysterious explosions in deep space? What you mentioned was only scientific conjecture. NOT fact. Just as my conjecture that these explosions were the result of ‘Star Wars’ in deep space.

So the bottom line is, no one knows for sure what’s happening out there!!




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posted on Sep, 19 2006 @ 04:58 AM
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In no way do I believe that we are the only intelligent life forms in this universe. I didn't say that; in fact, I said the complete opposite.



posted on Sep, 19 2006 @ 08:45 AM
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i deffinately believe that there are other intelligent species out there in the universe.
100 billion stars in a galaxy with around 100 billion galaxys there just has to be other life out there. i wouldnt be suprised atall if wars had broken out between more advanced races who have reached the stage where they can cross galaxies in mere hours



posted on Sep, 20 2006 @ 03:25 AM
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Originally posted by JBourne
i deffinately believe that there are other intelligent species out there in the universe.
100 billion stars in a galaxy with around 100 billion galaxys there just has to be other life out there. i wouldnt be suprised atall if wars had broken out between more advanced races who have reached the stage where they can cross galaxies in mere hours

Of course wars could have broken out and they could travel here in a mere hours. Its just a little boring that we have to wait 200,000 years to get the latest visuals from the battlefield.



posted on Sep, 20 2006 @ 05:17 AM
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yeh its very annoying indeed. everyone on these forums will be long dead before we get any proof of intergallactic wars



posted on Sep, 20 2006 @ 10:52 AM
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Well, we do know what pulsars and quasars are and the mechanisms which power them (neutron stars and black holes, respectively). We also have a pretty good idea of what might be causing gamma ray burst...... colliding neutron stars. We know what causes novae and supernovae. But there is a lot about space and the objects out there that we don't know about. That's why science is so exciting. We're just learning about the great unknown. Sticking our heads in the theological or fantasy-prone sand will do us no good. However, you never know what might be happening out there. Where there is no obvious source for an observation being made, then you have to ask questions, no matter how far out they may be. That's how science works......make your observations, postulate your hypotheses, prove or disprove your hypotheses, formulate theories based on your hypotheses that stand up to testing, make more observations and maybe go back to the start or confirm your previous theories.

Then wait 50 or 100 years for some smarty to come along and ruin your day with a new and fantastic idea, so you have to start all over again



posted on Sep, 20 2006 @ 12:25 PM
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very well put ghost




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