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Claims that Israel attacked Lebanese red-cross ambulances faked

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posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 07:57 AM
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In addition to all the other faked photos and scenarios discussed it has become apparent that the "ambulance attack" in Tyre by the Israeli air force was also faked.

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It makes interesting reading and just comes to show you how much the Lebanese are dishonest.

Apparently the ambulance driver lied. The Lebanese red cross lied and the NEWS agencies ate it up and reported it as fact.

The photo evidence displated shows that:

1- The gaping hole in the ambulance where the 'missile' damaged the vehicle was nothing more than a flange for the siren lights.
2- the shrapnel damage shows extensive rusting.
3- The wounded ambulance driver was seen on TV days later with not apparent injuries.
4- No fire damage can be seen from the pictures.

Hezbollywood uncovered again!




posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 08:03 AM
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This just goes to show what I said, the hezbolla terrorits won the war of media public opinion.

I wish I could say I was supprised, but the hezbolla have been proven that they use ambulences to carry terrorits/ and their equipment and weapons.



posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 08:11 AM
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Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi

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1- The gaping hole in the ambulance where the 'missile' damaged the vehicle was nothing more than a flange for the siren lights.


iirc the bbc showed video coverage of a dirty great big hole in the top of at least one ambulance, possibly sky as well? and this certainly wasnt "a flange" the metal was clearly torn and ripped into the vehicle



posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 08:12 AM
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Does it make any difference whether this ambulance incident has been faked or not? I am not going to argue with you on it, as there's enough evidence of Israeli war crimes any way. This ambulance incident is part of a much bigger thing.



Possible War Crime: Killing of Tens of Lebanese Civilians in the village of Qana, 30 July 2006

On Sunday, 30 July 2006, the Israeli air force bombed a residential building in the village of Qana, in southern Lebanon , thereby causing the death of tens of Lebanese civilians who were in the building at the time. According to the IDF, multiple rocket attacks had been launched into Israel from this 'area'.

However, information which has since been made public reveals that on the day of the attack no rockets were launched from the village of Qana.
It thus appears that the attack constituted a violation of international humanitarian law, and there is reason to suspect that war crimes have been committed by those responsible for the attack. B'Tselem has contacted the Israeli Judge Advocate General demanding that he order a military police investigation into the matter.


The Israeli Center For Human Rights


Guess this is all non sense too? Just a bunch of Zionist lefties huh?

You might find this interesting too:



TONY EASTLEY: The United States has launched an investigation into whether Israel's use of American-made cluster bombs in Lebanon violated an agreement about the use of the weapons.

The United Nations has accused Israel of the "completely immoral" use of cluster bombs during the final days of the conflict.


UN mine clearers have found 100,000 unexploded bomblets at hundreds of sites, as Correspondent Kim Landers reports.

KIM LANDERS: After a month of war, the people of South Lebanon are facing a new danger - unexploded cluster bombs.

The United Nations Mine Action Coordination Centre has just finished checking 85 per cent of the areas of southern Lebanon bombed by the Israelis, and the UN's humanitarian chief, Jan Egeland, says the findings are "shocking".

JAN EGELAND: They identified 359 separate cluster bomb strike locations that are contaminated with as many as 100,000 unexploded bomblets.

KIM LANDERS: Cluster bombs contain dozens or even hundreds of small munitions designed to explode as they scatter across a wide area.

The unexploded bomblets are often picked up by children.

Now Jan Egeland is questioning Israel's decision to use this type of munition in the closing stages of the war with Hezbollah.

JAN EGELAND: What's shocking and I would say to me completely immoral is that 90 per cent of the cluster bomb strikes occurred in the last 72 hours of the conflict, when we knew there would be a resolution when we really knew there would be an end of this.

KIM LANDERS: The use of cluster bombs is opposed by the United Nations and the Red Cross because of the high number of civilians who fall victim.

They were used in Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon and again when the US invaded Iraq in 2003.

In April of that year American Brigadier General Vincent Morris was defending their use.

VINCENT MORRIS: Cluster munitions are available, and they're used by tactical commanders to create a tactical effect on the battlefield, and they, like other things, particularly in this operation, the conditions for people, the conditions for unintended consequences are taken into account before the decision.

KIM LANDERS: Israel has now repeated its previous insistence that the munitions it uses in conflict comply with international law.

The UN's humanitarian chief says several countries, including the US, probably supplied Israel with the cluster bombs.

JAN EGELAND: I hope that the US will talk with the Israelis on that, certainly, because it's an outrage that we have 100,000 unexploded bombs among where children and women and civilians and shopkeepers and farmers are now going to tread.

KIM LANDERS: The US State Department has launched an investigation into whether Israel's use of American-made cluster bombs violated a deal between the two countries - the details of which have never been made public.

www.abc.net.au...


and this:



Jan Egeland said civilians were facing "massive problems" returning home because of as many as 100 000 unexploded cluster bombs, most of which were dropped in the last days of the war.

"What's shocking -- and I would say to me completely immoral -- is that 90% of the cluster bomb strikes occurred in the last 72 hours of the conflict, when we knew there would be a resolution," Egeland said. "Every day people are maimed, wounded and are killed by these ordnance."

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And this:



Earlier, the UN Secretary General, Kofi Annan, called on Israel to end its closure of the Gaza Strip and to halt the fighting that has claimed the lives of more than 200 Palestinians in the past two months.

Israel's military incursions into Gaza have been overshadowed by the conflict in Lebanon. But Palestinian officials say more than half of those killed in the past two months have been civilians -- among them 39 children killed in July alone.

"Over 200 Palestinians have been killed since the end of June. This must stop immediately," Annan said, after meeting Palestinian officials in the occupied West Bank. "I have made my feelings known in talks with Israeli officials. Beyond preserving life, we have to sustain life, the closure of Gaza must be lifted, the crossing points must be opened, not just to allow goods but to allow Palestinian exports out as well."

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posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 08:15 AM
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Originally posted by mrmonsoon
This just goes to show what I said, the hezbolla terrorits won the war of media public opinion.

I wish I could say I was supprised, but the hezbolla have been proven that they use ambulences to carry terrorits/ and their equipment and weapons.


Proof it. Give me one reliable news source to justify your claim.

Besides, why would the Christian Red Cross help Hezbollah, since when is their duty to supply Hezbollah with ammunition?

[edit on 31-8-2006 by Mdv2]



posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by Mdv2

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
This just goes to show what I said, the hezbolla terrorits won the war of media public opinion.

I wish I could say I was supprised, but the hezbolla have been proven that they use ambulences to carry terrorits/ and their equipment and weapons.


Proof it. Give me one reliable news source to justify your claim.


Would it be safw to say that you're questioning the validity of the original source of this topic?

www.zombietime.com...



posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 08:27 AM
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well, your question deserves an answer,ie some examples.

Here is a video of hezbolla terrorits using UN ambulences:


Hezbolla uses ambulences to transport Terrorits and arms

Slightly off topic, but here is video of armed terrorits using a child as a human shield:


Terrorits hide behind children


The UN yesterday stopped short of accusing Hezbollah of using ambulances as transport vehicles. However, it suggested that the cowardly tactic of blending in with civilians had contributed to the terrible toll taken on communities in the south, where most of the 391 Lebanese have been killed.

"Consistently, from the Hezbollah heartland, my message was that Hezbollah must stop this cowardly blending ... among women and children," UN humanitarian affairs chief Jan Egeland said.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


Cowardly Hezbolla hides behind civillians


If that is not enough, I can pull more video's and news clips.

[edit on 8/31/2006 by mrmonsoon]



posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 08:32 AM
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Hey remember when Israel ran that american college student over with the oversized bulldozer?


ahhh, those were the good days.

oh wait i forgot manditory;


[edit on 31-8-2006 by Lysergic]



posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 08:36 AM
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Israel are hardely inocent themselves they have left numerous highly populated areas of lebanon covered with cluster bombs, something that is a warcrime in its self



posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by intrepid

Would it be safw to say that you're questioning the validity of the original source of this topic?

www.zombietime.com...


No, my question is in no way related to the initial news source, posted by Judah. Once again, I asked Mr Moonson to show me evidence to justify his claim that neutral ambulance services supplied Hezbollah with military supplies.



posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 08:42 AM
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Originally posted by Mdv2

Originally posted by intrepid

Would it be safw to say that you're questioning the validity of the original source of this topic?

www.zombietime.com...


No, my question is in no way related to the initial news source, posted by Judah. Once again, I asked Mr Moonson to show me evidence to justify his claim that neutral ambulance services supplied Hezbollah with military supplies.



I have answered the question above your post with several examples.


Guess some people ignore facts, like what terrorits do with ambulences


BTW, for those who had no better denial of what the terrorits did but to try to say but Israel.....

Well, this post is not about Israel, it is about hezbolla terrorits using ambulences to transport men and arms-making them ligit targets (as troops and arms carriers are ligit targets)

Please all stick to the topic at hand.

[edit on 8/31/2006 by mrmonsoon]



posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 08:48 AM
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Originally posted by Mdv2

Originally posted by intrepid

Would it be safw to say that you're questioning the validity of the original source of this topic?

www.zombietime.com...


No, my question is in no way related to the initial news source, posted by Judah. Once again, I asked Mr Moonson to show me evidence to justify his claim that neutral ambulance services supplied Hezbollah with military supplies.

Good job at misdirection what was said is as follows Hezbollah used ambulances as transport vechicles not that the ambulance services were arms suppliers.



posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by mrmonsoon

Here is a video of hezbolla terrorits using UN ambulences:



Hezbolla uses ambulences to transport Terrorits and arms


Who says those are Hezbollah militants? Yes, you say so. It might very well be taped in Palestine. Nor does it justify your claim that Christian ambulances have been used to supply Hezbollah with weapons.

Seen the date? Dated May 11, 2004

While it doesn't make a big difference, those militants moved into the ambulance to hide, not to be transported. I must remark I personally strongly condemn using ambulances for such purposes.


Originally posted by mrmonsoon
Slightly off topic, but here is video of armed terrorits using a child as a human shield:


Ah... the living shield story again. I'll show you some pictures and reports later on of Israeli soldiers using Palestinians as living shields. They are no better in any way.


Originally posted by mrmonsoon

The UN yesterday stopped short of accusing Hezbollah of using ambulances as transport vehicles. However, it suggested that the cowardly tactic of blending in with civilians had contributed to the terrible toll taken on communities in the south, where most of the 391 Lebanese have been killed.

"Consistently, from the Hezbollah heartland, my message was that Hezbollah must stop this cowardly blending ... among women and children," UN humanitarian affairs chief Jan Egeland said.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


That's enough, still doesn't give this accusation Israel the right to target any ambulances.



posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by gallopinghordes
Good job at misdirection what was said is as follows Hezbollah used ambulances as transport vechicles not that the ambulance services were arms suppliers.


Read again, this time carefully.


Originally posted by mrmonsoon
This just goes to show what I said, the hezbolla terrorits won the war of media public opinion.

I wish I could say I was supprised, but the hezbolla have been proven that they use ambulences to carry terrorits/ and their equipment and weapons.


You might define equipment and weapons differently, but weapons are, in my opinion, similar to arms.



posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 09:06 AM
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Just completed a very educational tour of the zombietime website, the "journalist" should be easy enough to spot in a crowd though...... he(or she)'ll be the one with the massive chip on the shoulder.

However, even through the red haze of this "independent Journalist's" ranting, he makes a few interesting points. Adding credence to the saying:

"Even in the largest excrement heap of hearsay, may rest the tiniest undigested peanut of truth".



posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 09:14 AM
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Originally posted by mrmonsoon

Slightly off topic, but here is video of armed terrorits using a child as a human shield:


As promised I would show you some evidence proving that Israel isn't any better than other groups using people as living shields.


20 July 2006: Israeli Soldiers use civilians as Human Shields in Beit Hanun

B'Tselem's initial investigation indicates that, during an incursion by Israeli forces into Beit Hanun, in the northern Gaza Strip, on 17 July 2006, soldiers seized control of two buildings in the town and used residents as human shield.

Israeli Information Center For Human Rights


And:



Israel's human shields draw fire

Human rights groups return to court over army's use of Palestinian civilians.

Chris McGreal in Hebron
Thursday January 2, 2003
The Guardian

Basem Maswadeh knew he was in trouble when an Israeli soldier pushed him into the barber's chair and reached for the clippers.

"The soldiers hid behind our backs as they pushed us forward," said Mr Maswadeh. "Then they put their guns on our shoulders and began shooting. We felt our eardrums burning, but when we tried to put our hands over our ears, they beat our hands away. The noise was terrible because the gun was right next to my ear."


The Guardian


The perfect example of barbaric criminals:


Israeli Army Asks Supreme Court to Grant Second Hearing to Re-Consider its Decision Banning the Use of Palestinians as Human Shields

On 17 November 2005, the Attorney General (AG) submitted a motion to the Supreme Court of Israel on behalf of the Defense Minister, Shaul Mofaz, and the Chief of the Israeli Army, Dan Halutz, requesting a second hearing before the Supreme Court in the human shields case.

Adalah


And:


Israel faces human shield claim

Israeli human rights activists have accused border police of using a 13-year-old Palestinian as a human shield.

BBC


Yes, that's what we call real evidence.

[edit on 31-8-2006 by Mdv2]



posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 12:28 PM
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MDV2,

On that off topic of cluster bombs. I know that facts do not matter in the Arab propaganda war against Israel so let me clear up some issues on the matter.

Hezbullah has a habbit (as was evident in the grapes of wrath operation of 1996 and Lebanon war II) to make its largest offensive in the last moments bafore the end of the conflict. This was especially true this year that saw the Katusha largest attacks on Israel. Now the Rockets used by Hezbullah contains a few tens of KG of fragmentation in the form of ball bearings that is, guess what, illegal just like cluster bombs.
Cluster bombs were used to bomb the entire launch site location used by Hezbullah to stop the offensive.
Now to set the record straight, while Israel targetted strategic locations used to store arms, rockets launch sites and supplies and transfer them to the front lines like roads, bridges, gas stations, bunkers, houses, mosques (the latter two quite hesitantly) Hezbullah concentrated its attacks on residential areas that typifies its terrorist nature.

Now as for the 'human rights' organizations. Show me ONE military specialist who is on those panels who can say whether it is not essential to use cluster bombs. These weapons in general are not allowed to be used against civilians (since most of South lebanon was evacuated of civilians and the areas that were bombed were areas that were used as staging grounds for attacks it cannot be said that the weapons were used by Israel against civilians) and if there is a military need for it. Since Hezbullah can set up a katusha rocket quiet easily (with a pipe, a car battery and a timer) and many are multiple launchers immediate, massive and widespread bombing is necessary to save civilian life.

It is awkward that Hezbullah is not fingered for its blatant use of illegal arms against Civilians by those same 'human rights' organizations but Israel is blamed by acts that are actually considered legal by international law. Let me explain the last sentence. When Hizbullah attacks Israeli residential areas from Lebanese residential areas a defensive attack is inevitable and mandatory. International laws recognize this and places the blame on the civilian death on Hezbullah since their actions are illegal and endangers civilians.

Regarding Jews against Zionism - This is an orthodox sect (Neturei Carta) of Judaism whose true belief is that a Jewish country should only come during the arriving of the Messiah. Their motives are to dismantle Israel out of their minority Jewish belief that it is halting the coming of the Messiah - all their other excuses are just that excuses.

[edit on 31/8/06 by JudahMaccabbi]



posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 10:12 PM
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zombietime.comcredible ?


Solidarity With Israel Rally, San Francisco, July 23, 2006


"Over 1,000 people showed up in support of Israel's military response to the actions by Hamas and Hezbollah -- a far larger crowd than had shown up at any of the anti-Israel protests. "

Can anyone say TOTALLY BIASED BS !

What i find MOST disturbing is Israel can question any event no matter how incentive, but if i question the holocaust i could end up in prison and people wonder why Israel is SO disliked

[edit on 31-8-2006 by helium3]



posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 10:56 PM
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Most people that know how to think and read and figure out for themselves know what Israel has done. The majority of Countries and the UNHRC as well as Humanitarian organizations all realize what Israel has done. This bogus website with its anonymous owners is not going to convince normal thinking people otherwise. They can say whatever they like and accuse whoever. Its not going to help Israel. It just shows people even more that Israel lies and its supporters will swear to it and by it. That in itself is pitiful and shameful. You cannot cover up all the death and destruction with a few doctored photos and you can't cover up the deaths of the Unifil soldiers with this bogus garbage and you can't hide the leftover bomblets that they dropped at the very end right before the truce knowing full-well that those bombs would not explode then but even after the truce took effect 13 days + even after the fact. It just proves they were not out to kill "terrorists" but to kill civilians before truce, during truce and after the truce. They knew full well from past experience in 1980's and 2000 that those bomblets would be left over for kids to play with. This time its good to know that they will be recycled and used against the very same people who produced and dropped them. They say what you give will come back to you 10x over.

Nice try in covering up for a sorry nation like Israel.



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