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Needed Justice

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posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 07:35 PM
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with all the sickos in this world, destroying our childrens lives, its about time someone stands up for their childs life and happiness, and takes justice into their own hands.

www.cnn.com...

this man was told by his wife that his 2 year old was molested by their neighbor . so what did the childs dad do, he murdered the bastard giving him no more opportunities to harm his kid, or anyone elses.

you can say it wasnt proven , but a 2 year old wouldnt just invent a story of her neighrbor molesting her , because such thoughts dont exsist in a 2 year olds mind, unless put there somehow. the fact that he caught his neighbor exposing himself , while being a peeping tom , probably was enough reason for him to believe this story.

was he insane for the moment? yes probably. should he have called the cops and waited for american justice? hell no. someone destroyed the most important thing in his life, and its only fair that he destroys that persons life. he coudlnt risk the chance of this molester getting away with this terrible crime on humanity.

ive seen child molesters get out of prison sentences because they were too short.
www.thesmokinggun.com...

ive seen judges give molesters punishments of 60 days in prison for molesting young boys. that was on bill oreilley, he talked about it numerous times.

so obviously the american justice system isnt doing enough to protect our children, and punishing the sicko molesters.

until judges order people to be castrated, locked up for life, we need to take justice into our own hands. it seems like such an epidemic with kids being molested in the usa, that something drastic needs to be done. this is a good start.

i hope this man is found insane, and given a 6 month sentence or less. if a man can get under 6 months for molesting a child, the man killing his childs rapist, and preventing it from every happening to his kid or anyone elses kid should do no more time for taking a sicko off the streets .

i know im being drastic, but the only way i wouldnt kill someone for destroying my kids life in such a way is with the realization that my kid would need me more in her life to help her and love her, then me in prison for life.

we must start somewhere, lets show these molesters that you mess with one kid, you lose your chance to breath.

i know you will come here and say , this man was innocent until proven guilty.

your right by saying that , but after any trial, if someone is found guilty of molesting someones child. the parents should be allowed to execute the man, or hire someone to do it for them.

lets end this terrible problem in our society with maximun punishment.

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posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 08:02 PM
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oooopps , was busy when i wrote this thread, didnt notice it was in peak oil. can a mod please move it to current events or whereever it belongs. peace



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 08:21 PM
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Generally it is best to leave it up to the Judge to do the sentencing. If it's too short then the prosecution will appeal etc.

I know cable news likes to make hay over lenient sentencing but they do not go in-depth on the case details. In a country where most of the population wouldn't know the difference between a pedophile and a pediatriciain you'll forgive me for laughing at the call for vigilante justice.



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by Nerdling
In a country where most of the population wouldn't know the difference between a pedophile and a pediatriciain you'll forgive me for laughing at the call for vigilante justice.


Excuse me?

Just what country are you referring to, my good man?



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 08:38 PM
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ok nerdling, lets say your kid, or your little sister was molested and sodomized.

the judge decides the rapist cant survive in prison because he has a low iq and is 4ft7. would you accept a probation of 20 years? or would you destroy this sick freak?

sometimes justice is best in the hands of the people.



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 08:48 PM
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Ultimately, the man will be judged by a jury of his peers. In Baton Rouge, some years back, a father was waiting at the airport when law enforcement escorted the man who abducted his son to jail. Acting as though he was making a phone call from a pay phone in the lobby, in one smooth motion he turned and fired one shot into the man's head at a distance of perhaps twenty feet, killing him instantly.

The father was arrested and tried, but was acquitted. It could very well happen in this case, but Connecticut isn't exactly Louisiana.



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 08:49 PM
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Originally posted by elitegamer23
ok nerdling, lets say your kid, or your little sister was molested and sodomized.

the judge decides the rapist cant survive in prison because he has a low iq and is 4ft7. would you accept a probation of 20 years? or would you destroy this sick freak?

sometimes justice is best in the hands of the people.


By low IQ I'm assuming you mean mentally retarded. Physical size has no bearing on the punishment.

I respect the law and I also respect that sentencing and moral guidelines must not go flying out of the window for any crime that is deemed morally reprehensible by public opinion.

If they are deemed a threat to the public then they are incarcerated, with examples of mental retardation the patient will be found guilty but insane and will be detained in a mental hospital.

I'm not a qualified Judge nor do I play one on television, it would be nice if some people were to remember that when screaming about sentencing.



The legal concept of insanity is different from the psychiatric concept of mental illness. Frequently, a person whose mental illness is not under dispute will be determined sane as the court will argue that despite a "mental illness" the defendant should still be held responsible; such a ruling is known as either a Guilty but Mentally Ill (GBMI) or a Guilty but Insane verdict. Michigan (1975) was the first state to create a GBMI verdict. Sometimes a person without mental illness can be found to be insane; for example, a person who is acting under the influence of a drug that was involuntarily administered (though voluntary intoxication has been rejected by most jurisdictions as a defence to crime). (See: Intoxication defense)


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posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 08:49 PM
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lets start a new front on the war on terrorism.

en.wikipedia.org...

its a problem that plagues societies all around the world. if people are afraid for their lives when they touch a child, maybe less kids will lose their innocence at the hands of a toucher.


i ask you again, if your child was raped, and the man was given probation because he wouldnt last in prison. what would you do? would you accept the judgement?

www.google.com...

would this case have been noticed by the attorney general , if it wasnt magnified on fox news?

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posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by Nerdling


If they are deemed a threat to the public then they are incarcerated, with examples of mental retardation the patient will be found guilty but insane and will be detained in a mental hospital.

I'm not a qualified Judge nor do I play one on television, it would be nice if some people were to remember that when screaming about sentencing.




ok lets forget mentally retarded molesters. its the sentences that are lame. how many times have children been molested , had their innocence taken by someone who was already convicted once. even twice.

if we cant take the lives of these pedophiles , how are we giving them sentences that give them the opportunity to strike again. remember jessica lunsford?

her molester and murderer already was convicted of raping a kid. how was he given the chance to harm her, destroy her?

www.cnn.com...
if he was destroyed or put away for life the first time, this girl would still be alive and happy.




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posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by elitegamer23

i ask you again, if your child was raped, and the man was given probation because he wouldnt last in prison. what would you do? would you accept the judgement?

www.google.com...

would this case have been noticed by the attorney general , if it wasnt magnified on fox news?

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Look, your argument is based on a logical fallacy.

Just because the action affects me does not change the crime, it also does not change the rationale for sentencing. I will accept the sentence because that is how the system works. It is neither here nor there to discuss specific examples involving children or family of mines, it is an irrelevant point.

Of course I will appeal if I think it is lenient but that would be based on legal fronts and not merely my anger at the sentence. If I can sufficiently prove that the person is fit for jail time then I would present my evidence in an appeal.

They get what they are given, it is not my choice.



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 09:11 PM
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if this case did affect you, it would change your thinking.

how can our prisons be filled with pot dealers, while child rapist are living on the streets. what harms society more? its a persons choice to buy weed . its not a childs choice to be molested.

im just saying our justice system is messed up, we need extremely harsh penalties for pedophiles or this sick practice will continue.

since our courts think its ok to give out weak sentences , just to let these freaks back onto the streets. then i think its welcome to see someone take justice into their own hands.

if a man rapes an 11 year old boy or girl, should he ever be allowed to leave prison? well it happens all the time.

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posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 09:14 PM
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I agree. The punishment for child molestation should be death.

But, I recommend your reading this before you call for vigilante justice:

Fooling Ourselves: Cargo Cult Law and Medicine



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by elitegamer23
if this case did affect you, it would change your thinking.

how can our prisons be filled with pot dealers, while child rapist are living on the streets. what harms society more? its a persons choice to buy weed . its not a childs choice to be molested.

im just saying our justice system is messed up, we need extremely harsh penalties for pedophiles or this sick practice will continue.

since our courts think its ok to give our weak sentences , just to let these freaks back onto the streets. then i think its welcome to see someone take justice into their own hands.

if a man rapes an 11 year old boy or girl, should he ever be allowed to leave prison? well it happens all the time.


I respect the argument that you are trying to make but it really wouldn't change my way of thinking at all.

As I have said repeatedly, I am not qualified to determine the sentencing for a convinted criminal and I assume that you are also not qualified to do this.

I know the instinct in any major crime is to give the worst imaginable sentence to the criminal but this is a free society, this is what we signed up for.

Sharia law gives out terrible punishments to those caught doing things such as stealing. This is extremism.

Judges are paid to do the job based on their years of legal experience and legal precedent. They exercise their discretion in certain cases and weigh up the factors.

Those convicted of crimes are punished accordingly, sometimes the sentences differ, that is because each case is different. Things are not black and white and even though there is a certain degree of distance between yourself and the system you should take a minute to think about all of the people in the prosecution team, the jury, the judge, the court of appeals, the supreme court and the attorney general.

The system is not perfect and sometimes produces results that you do not agree with. This does not mean that the results are wrong.

I know cable news would like you to think there are pedophiles on every street but there isn't some epideic of them, just like there isn't an epidemic of blonde, white girls being kidnapped in time for May sweeps.



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 09:29 PM
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yes i completely understand there are many people accused wrongly.

what about cases where there is no question. in my town , one of my friends brother was found guilty of having sex with an 11 year old. he was 23 at the time and not only did he admit guilt, he gave the girl several stds.

he was in prison less then 2 years. if we know without a doubt that someone is guilty, the punishment should fit the crime. 2 years for taking advantage of an 11 year old , who didnt know better, is not a just punishment for the crime.


it plagues our courts everywhere in this country. im not exactly calling for murdering the pedophiles. i understand that was extreme, but lets take their liberty away. forever.

we should at least rightly punish the people we KNOW are guilty.



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 09:38 PM
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Well, like I said, the punishment for aggravated rape should be death. We have put ourselves in a bind regarding pedophiles. We know that they are among the most incorrigible offenders, but we continue to let them go. Then, when they get out we hound them practically to death with registration, publication of their addresses, and limitations on where they can live, which is about as close to the definition of a cruel and unusual punishment that I can think of.

The most compassionate thing we can do is to kill them.



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 09:42 PM
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Originally posted by Nerdling


I know the instinct in any major crime is to give the worst imaginable sentence to the criminal but this is a free society, this is what we signed up for.

Sharia law gives out terrible punishments to those caught doing things such as stealing. This is extremism.


death would be the worst possible sentence to give in a free society. lets just give them life in prison. if they are 100% guilty.

you also bring up sharia law, i just wonder who has more pedophiles, western societies , or muslim societies. its not even taboo in the west to some people.
216.220.97.17...


Originally posted by Nerdling

I know cable news would like you to think there are pedophiles on every street but there isn't some epideic of them


they dont really make you think that, but im sure you could find a molester in most american cities with population above 5000. one in any community , is one too many.


Originally posted by Nerdling

Judges are paid to do the job based on their years of legal experience and legal precedent. They exercise their discretion in certain cases and weigh up the factors.



the problem i see with judges is this, they are politicians. they can be considered liberals or conservatives. so the sentences vary depending on the judges political background. something must be done to take political thinking out of sentencing child molesters.

im called a liberal all the time by my peers, truly im a moderate. when it comes to punishing pedophiles i deffinitly lean right. i believe a childs liberty and freedom matter way more then any pedophiles life and liberty.

i must put my kid to bed for tomorrow is her first day of kindergarten. then i must retire to bed. im honored two great minds of ats , two minds on different sides of the tracks had the time to respond to this post. i just feel our society can do more to attack this problem. if it doesnt do more, we need to take justice into our own hands.

ill reply to anything else tomorrow. peace



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 09:43 PM
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Originally posted by elitegamer23
yes i completely understand there are many people accused wrongly.

what about cases where there is no question. in my town , one of my friends brother was found guilty of having sex with an 11 year old. he was 23 at the time and not only did he admit guilt, he gave the girl several stds.

he was in prison less then 2 years. if we know without a doubt that someone is guilty, the punishment should fit the crime. 2 years for taking advantage of an 11 year old , who didnt know better, is not a just punishment for the crime.


it plagues our courts everywhere in this country. im not exactly calling for murdering the pedophiles. i understand that was extreme, but lets take their liberty away. forever.

we should at least rightly punish the people we KNOW are guilty.


Many of them are convicted for life and are put away for multiple years.

I'm sure you'll understand that I can't comment on your friends brother's case as I have not seen any case details. But in the end it's up to the judge to decide.

In what context was the child abused? How long did it last? Was the evidence supporting the prosecution really that strong? Was the person in a position of responsibility over the child? How old was the child? Did the child engage initiate contact?

Sentencing is all about variables. That's what some pot dealers get life.

How do you think prisoners on the inside react to people who touch little kids? After two years in a maximum security federal prison I dont think any motivation on earth would push me into committing a crime willingly.



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 09:46 PM
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Originally posted by Nerdling
After two years in a maximum security federal prison I dont think any motivation on earth would push me into committing a crime willingly.


You spent two years in a federal prison?



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 09:49 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

Originally posted by Nerdling
After two years in a maximum security federal prison I dont think any motivation on earth would push me into committing a crime willingly.


You spent two years in a federal prison?


Nooooo.

I got let out after two weeks. Judges are really big schmucks and are all for soft-sentencing.



Just kidding, the point I was making that the very environment of a federal maxpen would be enough of a scare for most.



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by Nerdling


I'm sure you'll understand that I can't comment on your friends brother's case as I have not seen any case details. But in the end it's up to the judge to decide.

In what context was the child abused? How long did it last? Was the evidence supporting the prosecution really that strong? Was the person in a position of responsibility over the child? How old was the child? Did the child engage initiate contact?

Sentencing is all about variables. That's what some pot dealers get life.

How do you think prisoners on the inside react to people who touch little kids? After two years in a maximum security federal prison I dont think any motivation on earth would push me into committing a crime willingly.


ok my friends brother was a white male with money, the girl was a poor black female . she consented to the sex, but i really dont think an 11 year old knows what she is doing. that is why they have age of consent laws.
she came down with ghonorea and vaginal warts, and that is what got johny law got involved. when the detectives came to his house, he admited to having sex with her, so case closed essentially.
it would be a safe guess to say he slept with her multiple times, but just once would be enough.
his punishment did not fit the crime. this girl has to live with warts forever because someone who knew better took advantage of her young mind.

he is a registered sex offender, but what will stop him from trying it again? if he was locked up forever the first time, it could never happen again. i must go now, gnight



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