The John Birch Society

Originally posted by Cinosamitna
In a Republic, only Congress is allowed to issue the nations capital based upon a gold standard, which prevents us from paying income tax and prevents inflation also.

Precisely.

The "Federal Reserve" is outright criminal.

What is the National debt and deficit at?

Does anyone think that they EVER plan on paying it back?

How could they?

They'll continue to create more and more debt and rely on a phony Federal Reserve that is not backed by anything substantial, to continue their phony "War on Terror", "War on Drugs", etc. etc., for what end?

Why do we have to pay taxes, when all they have to do is conjure up some numbers not backed by gold or silver, in order to make more and more weapons with the technology of the Anti-Christ?

Don't they know how swift(even though it may not seem so) and powerful is Allah's Sword of Justice?


The more I learn about politricks, the more I want to distance myself from them.


IMO, a Socialistic Theocratic Monarchy would be the best way to go, instead of the materialistic Marxism or false Democracy that are nothing but the machinations of lunar-sahu men or intellectual animals.

In other words, it would be better for us to have a type of community with both Socialistic and Republican elements, that is ruled over by Individuals(not the common fragmented man) like the Dalai Lama or the early Shekemu(Pharaohs) who are at least Solar-Sahu Men and above, in regard to the Tree of Life.

Men who don't come up with silly left-brain hemisphere dichotomies and isms based on subjective reasoning(such as ruthless dictatorships, "Democrats" VS "Republicans", "Right-Wing" VS "Left Wing", etc. See all the dualism?)

We don't want elitist black magicians ruling; but at the same time, do we really want the average "Joe six-pack" or fanatical church-goer making decision that affect the community?


I guess its just the nature of the Kali Yuga to have to put up with all this nonsense.

To hope for a positive external change, without first changing ourselves, would be absurd right?


"The exterior is the reflection of the interior"


Instead of spending so much time arguing about politics, perhaps we should start by eliminating our egos and replace them with the Building of the Solar Bodies, no?

Mind-Heart


The Mind-heart of the Intellectual Animal (called Human Being out of sympathy) is full of vain theories and mental suppositions, which cannot lead us to anything positive.

Modern intellectuals want to make a new world in accord with the fantastic model that they have built within their mind.

Leader politicians with the purpose of gaining power make astonishing promises to the Suffering and starving multitudes; however, once their ambition is satisfied, they broadly laugh at the expense of the wretched, imbecilic populace.

The world is in crisis and everywhere there are wars and rumors of wars, promises and mockeries, bombardments and political parties that mutually combat each other.

It is absurd to suppose that we can depart from this social Chaos with all of its fights and miseries, if indeed, individually, we do not resolve ourselves to perform a radical and definitive change.

Useless are the legal or illegal changes of governments, the bloody dictatorships, the revolutions of blood and alcohol.

If we truly want an absolutely radical change, then first of all, we need to change ourselves individually...

Now that's what we could call "Objective Reasoning".





[edit on 2-9-2006 by Tamahu]

Well said, Cinosamitna, regarding many of your points in regard to the Zionist, phony-Republican G.W. Bush.

About the Illuminati...

This reminds me to go back to that other thread about George Washington, Goethe, Cagliostro, Mozart, etc....



[edit on 1-9-2006 by Tamahu]

Hi Tamahu, see my response below:

….The "Federal Reserve" is outright criminal. What is the National debt and deficit at?....

The national debt is in the hundreds of trillions. The numbers they quote now are bogus and they only quote the billions per day they need from foreign investors just to not collapse. They stopped publishing M3 because they do not want the American people to find out how much money they are really printing. Their phony experts claim inflation is around %3 but that is a lie. Inflation has been and will continue to grow worse at over %13. America has also been bankrupt since 1995, meaning they are in the position similar to the Great Crash or Depression of yesterday in 1995. We do not feel it yet, because of inflation is still on the rise and the deflation period has yet to follow.

Now in 1995, had the FED told us the truth, we would have to had raised interest rates much higher, been very fiscal on all spending and thus we could have eventually overturned this mess. It was different in the 1980’s. Yes, in the 1980’s the bankers were inflating the currencies just like now. They were printing money from nothing like mad-men, just as they are doing now Many people point back to the 1980’s when we saw this happening (with the dollar devaluing) and remember how the bankers stopped this by creating very high interest rates. By increasing the interest rates, the bankers were able to keep the US dollar strong and from collapsing due to a rise in inflation.

But now we are not in the same boat. The average savings for most American families is ($-9,500) which means no savings and also the American people have been living off re-financing their mortgages. What will happen when the banks choose to not refinance their mortgages? Jobs are all being outsourced so this means more people on the streets. We have millions of illegal aliens who are employed in the construction industry and they are soon to be out of work. The crime will also increase in America. But it gets even worse. Soon, after the period of inflation is over, the bankers will start recalling in all loans, including mortgages, car loans, business loans etc. Bankruptcy will not be allowed during a Depression. People will lose almost everything.

So why not just raise interest rates again like they did in the 1980’s? Well the answer is that they cannot do so, for if they were to raise the rates even %2, it would collapse the Mortgage markets and this would cause the dollar to collapse. So these Bankers want to prevent the dollar from collapsing and thus they are having no choice but to continue printing currency. They can print and print and print and soon we may need wheel barrows to carry home our devalued dollars – like what happened in Germany!

So the bankers have no choice but to continue as planned. They need China and other nations to continue to buy their US treasury notes. Now if China did not continue investing in US Treasury notes, than the US dollar would collapse and China would have no customers wealthy enough to buy all their cheap crap. So that’s why China will not say anything about the US dollar devaluing. However, China and other nations are ‘slowly’ moving into Gold and Silver related assets. Unfortunately, there comes a point when there is no return and nothing can be done to offset the coming Depression. Yes, America has hell to look forward to, even without all the nonsense in the Middle East. It becomes like ‘pushing on string’ when the bankers can no longer inflate the US economy; then it’s truly game over. So after they stop inflating the economy, a deflation period will begin – this is the DEPRESSION where people will lose everything. After the period of inflation, the money must first settle, so we all have about 1.5 years for the circulation of money to settle and then the Dollar will rise during the Depression. The evil ones will confiscate and own everything during the Depression – even though they would rather the FED game, they still cannot lose, unless we all buy Gold and Silver.

As a friend, I want tell all people that if their barely getting by now and living in the USA, please, you must get out of debt ASAP. If you have a home and a huge mortgage, then sell it now, or you may not get anything close for the value you paid.

You all want to be buying Gold and Silver related assets ASAP. We have a period of 1-4 years (may be less) where gold and silver will increase (during inflation). You sell it after the period of hyper inflation which we are in now. But all this can change with another war in the Middle East. If we go to war in Iran, the US dollar will collapse and I think this is the main reason why the Bankers are very upset with Bush. Bush wants war before they can be ready to handle the dollar dropping and thus bail out of the market.

This is the truly the end of the game. The US dollar will no longer be the reserve currency and the USA will become a second class nation. This is frightening but unfortunately it is a fact.

Why do we have to pay taxes, when all they have to do is conjure up some numbers not backed by gold or silver, in order to make more and more weapons with the technology of the Anti-Christ? Don't they know how swift(even though it may not seem so) and powerful is Allah's Sword of Justice?

They are so brazen and arrogant that they will keep printing it until they cannot do it anymore. With the American people having no savings and living off refinancing their mortgages, they do not stand a chance in the coming Depression. Tamahu, this is the Depression which Lucis Trust speaks of. They tell you get out of the stock market, but they do not tell us the whole truth. We should be in precious metals even though the stock market will collapse but not the stocks and coins in precious metals.

The more I learn about politricks, the more I want to distance myself from them.
IMO, a Socialistic Theocratic Monarchy would be the best way to go, instead of the materialistic Marxism or false Democracy that are nothing but the machinations of lunar-sahu men or intellectual animals…..

This would be wonderful! If only we could have it…well actually according to Edgar Cayce and others we may have to go back to an older form of currency and government after the upheavals of economics, and also earth changes. So, I can see us moving to the gold dollar or even another new dollar. But either way, the Canadian dollar will be ok, as will the Swiss Frank. They will go down in value to Gold and Silver but will still be higher than the US dollar. Canada has many resources including fresh water and the best places to live in North America will be Alberta – lots of gold, diamonds, silver, copper, oil etc. The Canadian dollar will be higher than the US dollar in but a year or 2.

….. We don't want elitist black magicians ruling; but at the same time, do we really want the average "Joe six-pack" or fanatical church-goer making decision that affect the community?

A great point you brought up on black magic which I wish to touch upon. Most people want to argue about the trapezoid or pyramid on the dollar. They want to know what it represents. They think they know what this symbols means, right? Well, it’s funny because the value amount on the dollar bill which is in numerical denominations of (1, 5, 10, 20, 50, 100 etc) how many people know what this means? They may hold $100.00 in their hands today but tomorrow it’s now only worth $95! So they read the amount as still $100.00, yet still need to pay 5 dollars more for that toy! So people have difficulty in understanding basic numeric. They think that a dollar that is not worth the paper it’s printed on should have an “eye of providence” that has some ethical standard. Well, certainly, they are allowed to pick and choose but personally, we can just forget about the ‘eye’ and instead look at the numerical value and there we shall see what the “eye” is all about.

If we truly want an absolutely radical change, then first of all, we need to change ourselves individually

I totally agree with you and I cannot think of a better way.

Thanks for the kind words of support Tamahu, I appreciate it. Also if you’re interested in the future of the financial details, please just let me know and I’ll clarify.

The JBS thinking is still around. In fact, the following 50+ year old "Communist Goals" were part of a recent thread at ATS www.belowtopsecret.com... re "gay conspiracy" in auto industry

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

www.uhuh.com...
The source for the goals is a 1950's book, as noted in quoted source from 1963.

The JBS members I have known were extremely paranoid individuals to begin with, some to the point of having been clinically diagnosed already. You can find extreme paranoia on either ends of political spectrum.

Originally posted by desert

The JBS members I have known were extremely paranoid individuals to begin with, some to the point of having been clinically diagnosed already. You can find extreme paranoia on either ends of political spectrum.

I have seen similar generalized descriptions of ATS members.......

By going to such an extreme to discredit them, you practically validate their fears. Most of the members that I have known would not move in circles where psychiatrists were commonly seen.......ie overwhelmingly blue collar.

The original founders were supposed to be the comrades of John Birch, and after he was killed by communists in (as I recall) Korea, they vowed to continue the fight against communism, in his name.

They seemed to pick up where the McCarthy era left off.....seeing a communist agenda behind every change to the status quo. They believed communists were behind integration and civil rights, war protests, the drug culture, hippies, feminists, college text books, and the list goes on.

I see the JBS's information much similarly than info coming from Alex Jones and other NWO promoters. They do excellent research. (they are passionate about what they do, whatever their motive) However, as in reading information on infowar or ATS, you have to read with your BS sensors turned full-on. (even sites such as jewwatch.com have good information when filtered by common sense.)

One of the book the JBS promoted was Gary Allen’s None Dare Call it Conspiracy Mr. Allen, like Cinosamitna believes the whole left-right spectrum is a creation of Fabian Socialists.

The book is excellent, although old, it is still an excellent read. Great post about the Feds Cinosamitna, Control of the currency is vital to the Powers-that-be.

Next Saturday I will be at a town fair that the JBS will be having a table at.

I saw them last year but didn't know who or what they did so I didn't talk to them, this year I plan on bringing back some material to read.

I'm not sure that the conservative town I live in would let a group like this have a platform but then again it is a first admendment right of theirs to be there.

If more people knew what they really did I bet there would be more of an uproar about it.

Alex Jones recently welcomed the head-man of the JBS onto his show a few months ago. If anything, the JBS has become more passive over the years and thus, the reason why Alex Jones was weary of them at first.

Alex was concerned about their recent activity (past 10 years or so) which included writing certain hit pieces or attacking him on issues. The JBS seemed to be overlooking, or even ignoring many of the issues, including the obvious well known inside job on 9-11. The JBS recently made some changes (for the better) in their organization at the very top level. The new head-man seems to be very much in line with Alex Jones and others, as Conspiracy Nut mentioned above. The meeting between AJ and the new head-man at JBS was a wonderful indication that they are back on the right track and they will be more aggressive as they were once earlier.

There is a fantastic article they wrote on a Satanic Islamic group that lived hundreds of years ago in India who were attacking caravans and kidnapping British soldiers and others. They would strangle them to death and then eat them. The JBS, incredibly analysed the methods which were necessary for the British to eventually stop this evil cult. A frightening example of how the Elite found find it difficult to stop this evil cult. The JBS took this example and then applied it to how we should all try and stop the Elite of today!

The JBS have done some outstanding work over the years.

Interesting news- The JBS has a podcast you can get on I-tunes.

I listened to a couple and they are produced very nicely.

Originally posted by Cinosamitna


I would say that G. Washington was a Free Mason; or at least was a member of a Lodge one at one time, correct? But whether he was a Mason or not, he seemed to hold an opinion of the Illuminati being a threat. G. Washington stressed (at that time) only certain members of those lodges were forwarding the diabolical tenants of the Illuminati and Jacobins, but not the lodges as a whole. Now if Washington felt this way, why not call him an anti-mason, or even anti-Semitic just for fun?

He did indeed speak out against the Illuminati, but that seems to have been due to his ignorance on the subject. The only thing he knew about the Illuminati at the time was what he heard from biased sources, i.e., the Bavarian government.

Thomas Jefferson, on the other hand, knew the entire story and publicly defended the Illuminati against their detractors.

Regardless, the JBS is inherently, by its very position on the far right, at least quasi-fascist. It may not be that ever single Bircher is an anti-Semite, but at least we can probably agree that Jews always ran into problems with fascist governments.

IMO Fred Phelps and his Westboro Baptist church, is/are The JBSer of today.
or vise versa, The JBS of the 60s and early 70s were the westboro of their day.

Thanks for the g. Washington info Cinosamitna and ML. (interesting stuff)

I’m not sure we can say the JBS is quasi-fascist, they are also inherently anti-corporate and against dictatorships of any kind. Fascists love corporations and dictatorships.

Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23
Thanks for the g. Washington info Cinosamitna and ML. (interesting stuff)

I’m not sure we can say the JBS is quasi-fascist, they are also inherently anti-corporate and against dictatorships of any kind. Fascists love corporations and dictatorships.

I don't know. Considering the fact that the John Birch Society was founded by Revilo P. Oliver, known as America's most notorious fascist, and hero to the modern neo-Nazi movement, I have to remain skeptical, even considering the fact that Oliver eventually left the JBS.

For those of us on the Left, the JBS is similar to what the ACLU is for the Right: the organization we love to hate.

[edit on 5-9-2006 by Masonic Light]

pardon my ignorance, but, what is the ACLU?

Originally posted by rotarychris7
pardon my ignorance, but, what is the ACLU?

The American Civil Liberties Union. Many on the right consider the ACLU a leftist organization, but in reality it is non-partisan. Its goal is to preserve the civil liberties guaranteed in the First Amendment against government intrusion and violation.

I met with the JBS at the town fair and spoke to a women about their beliefs and idology to feel them out. What she said to me was bascially Pro-American rights and the belief to maintain the Constitution as it was intended to do (gun rights, safety..etc).

I asked her if they were religious she said no.

I asked her id Isreal had the right to defend themselves she said yes

I asked if they were a govermenr watchdog she said not really

I took some literature home with me to read and when I saw an article about helping others as good Christians I stopped reading cause that asnswered my question about them being a religious org.

Originally posted by corsig
I took some literature home with me to read and when I saw an article about helping others as good Christians I stopped reading cause that asnswered my question about them being a religious org.

They probably meant "Christian" in the broad sense of the term; as the JBS, as far as I know, has members of many faiths.


POSCLA(CENTRAL AGENCY OF THE CHRISTIAN SOCIALIST PARTY LATIN AMERICAN) for example, is a Socialist Christian group founded by the Gnostic Master Samael Aun Weor. The Gnostic movement(and POSCLA) accepts those of all faiths; however, POSCLA emphasizes Christian-values(which are really the same as Buddhist or Islamic values).

On POSCLA, AGLA, AGEAC and Arybarta Ashram


...Before 1960, he had published twenty more books with topics ranging from Endocrinology and Criminology to Kundalini Yoga.

Gnostic centers in Mexico, Panama, El Salvador, and Costa Rica were also established, and the Gnostic Association for Anthropological, Cultural, and Scientific Studies (AGEAC) was founded. A "triangle" relationship formed between the World Gnostic Movement founded by Samael Aun Weor, the South American Liberation Action (AGLA) headed by Francisco Propato in Argentina, and the Sivananda Aryabarta Ashram directed by Swami Sivananda in India.[4]

Nevertheless, the development of the Gnostic Movement was not without dramatic setbacks. At the time of the publishing of the revised edition of The Perfect Matrimony (1961), the movement had fallen apart. He wrote that "those who did not leave the Gnostic Movement can be counted on the fingers of one hand."[5] However by the time of his death, Samael Aun Weor had completely re-established the broad international reaches the movement previously held.

Samael Aun Weor wrote his books from a state of meditation. Into the 1960s, he continued to write many books on esoteric topics, such as Hermetic Astrology, Flying Saucers, the Kabbalah, etc.

However, he also wrote sociopolitical works such as Platform of POSCLA (Latin-American Christian Socialist Party), which attacks Marxism-Leninism and any other aspect of "Materialistic Atheism".

In what was to be the last decade of his life, he penned works such as Parsifal Unveiled, which details the esoteric symbolism of the Wagner opera, and Gnostic Anthropology in which he heavily criticizes the theories of Darwin, Haeckel, "and their henchmen." The books The Great Rebellion, Treatise of Revolutionary Psychology, and The Revolution of the Dialectic provide a ground work for the vast knowledge of esoteric psychology found rooted in every religion.

Although he never actually received any income from his books, at the 1976 "Gnostic Congress" Samael Aun Weor publicly renounced all his copyrights in an effort to help the books he wrote become more widely available (copyright was later given to Litelantes to prevent poor translation)...

Though it seems that the political plans of POSCLA were pretty much abandoned, as Samael Aun Weor found out that the Black Lodge was just too strong in the political world, to combat it through political means; so he decided to focus more on the spreading of the Gnostic Doctrine which is Christic-Buddhism.



And don't get me wrong; I'm not necessarily a huge JBS fan; though I suppose they're better than most other groups out there who are dealing in politricks.


Would be nice if there were more groups like POSCLA and AGLA though.









[edit on 11-9-2006 by Tamahu]