Violent Pornography Outlawed In UK

Good point Westy. People can definately get around this, the same way they do with kiddy porn. Luckily all acts of sexual abuse against children has haulted since outlawing child pornography.

Originally posted by dgtempe
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DG your age is showing I'm afraid, it's Eminem or Slim Shady, not M&M, that be the candy.

You got that right!!! Eminem....hmmm...of course!!!

Just wanted to see if y'all were on your toes this morning.

Edited in order to delete one "M"

[edit on 31-8-2006 by dgtempe]

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Good point Westy. People can definately get around this, the same way they do with kiddy porn.

Of course they will, it's like the phrase, if you outlaw guns then only outlaws will have guns, you think those that truly feed on this stuff are going to care? Pfff… it's like minors not possessing pornography, hell, like that ever worked.

So my opinion, good gesture by the UK government, but totally pointless.

"theres no secks in your violence"



Violent Pron?

it's suppose to be happy happy joy joy, with some funky 70's chickachickabwankbwank going on ya know?

Well, you're right. Humans are already corrupted.

See? I'm not a very good "liberal" am I???

In this case, pornography, i think the less is around in years to come, the less our children's chilren will be corrupted with. There is always the imagination, isnt there?

Personal Responsibility; IT GOES A LOOOONG WAY!



imo.

Oh, no. Not this again! "A brutal killer was playing a lot of DOOM (computer game) and then went killing a lot of people". Or... "the killer was listening to Metallica before he killed". Or... "the killer ate nothing but hamburgers from MacDonalds for a whole week before he went on a killing spree"... "the killer listened to Ozzy Osbourne and then went crazy". This is all a redicilous blame game. This isn't about child porn where kids get abused, or about snuff films where people are killed for real. Why ban a fantasy as long as no people gets hurt? They might as well ban computer games and action movies. They might as well ban newspapers and banning news on tv, as that's real violence! They might as well ban the internet! They are so stupid (those who made this new law). "Dear Judge, the rock singer told me to do it, I'm actually the victim here. I'm innocent!" - Yeah right... I bet there are some shrinks involved here as well. And the shrinks get paid for this, and they are motivated to vote in favor of crazy laws like this. The man was a killer. It doesn't matter what music he listens to, what books he like to read or what he likes to watch on television. Grrrr. I'm surprised they didn't mention what political party he's voting for as well. Oh hey, I bet he also drank beer! Ban beer then... :shk:

The OP source / statement was wrong (The UK government has made possession of violent pornography punishable by 3 years in prison) - this is the stated intention but the bill still needs drafting / passing by the Houses of Parliament so no law has been passed / changed yet!

As part of this process the issues will (hopefully) be debated and some clarification given.

The bits that concern me are 'or appears to be' and 'other obscene material' - this could be used to cover a wide range of consensual / fantasy images / footage.

I doubt anyone would seek to defend footage of rape etc but when we get into value judgements such 'appears to be' we're heading into murky waters.

If you take a few minutes to look around, you will find some disgusting material out there that depicts non consensual sex, i.e. rape and abuse. If you make this material illegal to own, and bear in mind it already is illegal to own such publications, this is only extending the law to the Internet, then you should hopefully cut down on the audience for this quite frankly sickening material. I'm a big boy, I've got no qualms about what you want to do with a willing partner, but it's a sad fact of life that there is plenty of material out there witch blatantly depicts such acts being perpetrated on those who are not willing. Where is the harm in making such material illegal? How could you possibly argue a case for its continued legality with a straight face?

A woman who does not consent and is filmed being abused is to my mind no different to a child put through the same ordeal. Obviously there are fetishes, BDSM and the like where the acts are between consenting adults, but this is obviously targeting the material that is or at least appears to be non consensual. Don't think it's out there? Do us a favour, open your eyes, and deny ignorance.

[edit on 31/8/06 by Implosion]

the vast majority are capable of terrible acts if subjected to certain stimuli for a long enough period of time. it's no coincidence that many who are serving long prison sentences for rape, child abuse etc, were themselves abused as children. they were not born that way. kids who are subjected to a diet of pornography, explicit sex in films, violence in films, and graphic video games and graphic music, while they may not end of murderers etc, are very likely to end up like those gansta speakin hooded yobs you find in innercity london or LA. whatever the law says, all the above will be banned for my kids till they reach 18. constant and early exposure to good books and films, playing sports, eating meals with the family etc in my op is more likely to breed kids more like the pevansies from chronicles of narnia.

well if we're banning violence during sexual acts, then how is that 'violence' different to the violence you see in a movie where a person is getting shot, murdered etc. as the new law also bans 'faked' sexual violence as well, so you can't even 'pose' and 'pretend' to do so. but.. we can watch people getting shot still.. yeah.. [sarcasm] now there's going to be no more murders and violence because violent porn has been banned. [/sarcasm]

jackvance88 : Could not have said that any better!
Exposure does indeed bring out the "worse of us sometimes".
( And the best of us at times )
Personal freedoms are one thing, proper upbringing is another.
Hail to the teachers and parents that know the difference.

Originally posted by shaunybaby
well if we're banning violence during sexual acts, then how is that 'violence' different to the violence you see in a movie where a person is getting shot, murdered etc. as the new law also bans 'faked' sexual violence as well, so you can't even 'pose' and 'pretend' to do so. but.. we can watch people getting shot still.. yeah.. [sarcasm] now there's going to be no more murders and violence because violent porn has been banned. [/sarcasm]

How about thinking about those who are abused for the production of such material? You make the ownership of such material illegal, then hopefully, you take away at least a proportion of the audience. If the audience drops, then hopefully, so would the production of such material. There's more to this than how it can effect a viewer.

Another tool of sin has bit the dust! We need more laws like this. Pornography should be outlawed anywhere PERIOD! Spreading Godlessness, depravity, and perversion should not be legal at all.

You are free to do whatever you wish in privacy, thats why we have privacy. But to record these deeds and profit from the adultery, broken families, and in some cases even violent acts any of these evil media is subjecting yourself to the will of the dark one.

Its also demeaning to both men and women, and may also PROMOTE homosexuality in some cases. Why do we allow such disgusting businesses to exist? Lets get rid of Strip clubs while were at it.

To clarify my beliefs,
Pornography, I people are is entitled to act sexually in which ever way they please in the privacy of their home. I do not believe these acts should be recorded and distributed where it will corrupt peoples thinking as well as our youth.
Homosexuality, people are entitled to their gender oriented relationships to themselves. Noone should have the right to record these acts and distribute it corrupting others thinking and our youth, or COERCE anyone into homosexuality. That last one should be a FELONY.

I am not anti doing what you want, I am anti-making it available to anyone at any time in a recorded medium, it corrupt minds that way.

I am kind of wondering how they are going to enforce this?

Are they going to montor every single person in the UK who use a PC to gain acess to the Internet? Oh wait they do that already do they not.

Alot of people who do this are rather confused as to where the law applies if it is consenting adults who are carrying out this form of sexual activity.

I think that violent pornography should not be banned because i dont think that it was the cause of the poor girls death, i think it takes alot more than seeing a picture or a video to make some1 do something that extreme. I'm not a fan of violent pornography, i think its pretty screwed up but if ppl have certain fettishes i think that they should be able to have them.

What you put in your head affects you, period.

While you might not go on a killing spree due to graphic imagery, you do get desensitized. Things can't shock you if you see them every single day...this is part of normal human adaptation to certain events.

What Serial Killers are is an ABNORMAL adaptation to certain imagery. The more input, the worse the output.
But at the same time, I've wathced the footage of a little girl playing with a blow up punching bag, then being exposed to a video where a grownup kicked punched and threw the punching bag clown around, and then saw what the kids did when playing with the doll. The girl was 2.
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These are basic things, and shouldn't need to be explained.

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Think people:
There are certain conversations that set you off. You get mad whenever you are involved in this conversation. That subject is a trigger for you. You're so irrational about it that often people come down on you for starting arguments on that subject. Everyone has triggers. It's jsut that some triggers are more effective. If you can be pissed off by a mere subject, then then someone can kill for an imange burned indelibly/indefinately into their minds. It's not too far a jump...hell, it's not a jump at all. As with everything, it's not the material itself that causes people to do evil things, but the person allowing something to influence them. The issue is that most people either refuse to see that they have these triggers, and it gets worse every time they go down that path, or they started down that path when they were too immature to understand what it was they were doing to themselves. This is the issue with violence in sexual imagery.

Come on, we all agree that sexual abuse (things like rapeing children) changes a person's behavior. Why can't any seual action have an affect on people? Wide variation in behavior due to the same acts

This being said, I've watched porn. I play violent video games. I watch horror flicks. I know they affect me...not so wildly as they affect others, but I see what it's doing to me, and becuase of it, my contact with such things are kept to a minimum.

Statistics are funny things.

Did you know 100% of all pedophiles, murderers, and criminals ate food on almost a daily basis, if not daily? If only the governments of the world would react to the real reason of violent crime.

Of course we could stop looking at superficial patterns and start to notice something that most people agree on: the free will. Our society and justice systems are built on it; the belief that most, if not all individuals have choice between actions. Media may influence you one way or another, but at the end of the day, we as conscious human beings have the choice to rape, maim, or even murder our conscious (or non conscious) beings.

As before mentioned in the thread, we should focus on personal responsibility rather than patterns. When we fail to do so, we limit freedom to a group of people that are doing nothing to endager others.

[edit on 31-8-2006 by radardog]

I had been ponering this for a few days. This area of publishing has always been regulated in one way or another for a long time. But out right banning of this particular area of adult activites does take things a bit far weather you like this sort of thing or not. For those of you who feel this is a good thing, I might shugest you read Farenhight 451.