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reply posted on 14-4-2008 @ 04:54 PM by horsegiver
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I believe that Velikovsky was right, when I first obtained a copy of his 'Worlds in Collision', I went straight home and began reading, I read all night and finally fell asleep at around seven the following morning, I just could not put it down.
I found all his work amazing, and have looked at things differently ever since. Good luck with this post Mike, I will follow it with interest.
Regards,
Horsegiver.


reply posted on 15-4-2008 @ 09:52 PM by Devino
Originally posted by Kano
Uranus also has a retrograde rotation. (Although its almost rotating on its side with respect to its orbit).

Don't forget Pluto, but I guess it could be argued that it is no longer considered a planet by some but more like a comet...Hmmm, no tail? That's interesting.
The north pole of any planet/star is defined as the axis point that has a CCW rotation (prograde). Since there is geological evidence that the Earth's magnetic poles (N/S) have switch several times in Earths history I think it's possible that other planets and stars do this as well. So Venus is actually in prograde rotation as viewed from above it's north pole, same with Uranus and Pluto, but because of it's axial tilt (about 178 deg) it appears retrograde with respect to the other planets and our Sun. Uranus is around 97deg. so it looks like it's rolling along on it's orbit around the Sun. I don't know if Uranus's north pole faces the sun throughout it's year or if it is fixed.

Venus itself takes longer to rotate around its own axis than it does to orbit around the sun,
Makes for a rather long solar day, if you could see through the clouds that is.

Originally posted by Essan
Originally posted by ViolatoR
I dont see how anyone can just say "no" to this question.
Amyone with the slighest knowldege of geo or astro physics. Or even who has read a book about our solar system, can say "no" with absolute confidence.

I do posses at least a slight knowledge of geology, physics and astronomy and, with all due respect, I can say with absolute confidence that this answer and your comment are futile. They contribute nothing to the discussion here.
I think it would be a safe bet that Venus is not "a giant marshmallow" nor do I believe it was a comet at anytime but to assume that we know with absoluteness our solar system and it's origin is to close our minds to understanding and any new discoveries. What a shame that can be.

Originally posted by Essan
it still remains impossible for an object orbiting it...[stellar binary counterpart]... to be dragged into the inner Solar System and then become fixed into a circular orbit. What's more likely? That Venus is the planet that has always orbited the sun in its current position? Or ... that happened to get dragged into the solar system, destroyed the planet that previously orbited the sun between Mercury and Earth (so completely that all traces have disappeared)

I agree with you that it is more likely that Venus has always been there but not that it is, or ever was, impossible for objects to get captured gravitationally into our solar system. Even though the outer gas giants are small compared to our Sun it's their location than can make it possible for them to attract objects (inverse square law).
There are no traces of a destroyed planet where Venus is now but this doesn't help the the argument against the OP, maybe there never was anything there before.
Oh, BTW there are traces of a destroyed planet between Mars and Jupiter which also follows Bodes law.
Originally posted by Essan
Venus Express is currently in orbit and sending back data

sci.esa.int...

Thanks for the link, I like to keep up on info from all the spacecraft we have floating around out there but with so many it becomes difficult.

To assume that we know just about all there is to know and to make absolute statements against any new ideas or thoughts is to close the door to understanding and thus remain forever in ignorance.


reply posted on 17-4-2008 @ 04:11 AM by Sargon
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Well of course Marduk was Babylonian. He'd hardly be called to completely different names by the same people. As for Uranus and Neptune and Pluto? Note that the sumerians always depicted the solar system with 12 planets. The below quote is also interesting;
english.pravda.ru...

"The researchers were astounded when they saw the image of Uranus transmitted by Voyager Two in the January of 1986. The Sumerian description of the planet - mash.sig - meaning "bright greenish"- almost matched the greenish blue picture of Uranus on his TV screen. Sitchin's translation of the Sumerian expression "hum.ba" read: "marsh plants." He believes it indicates the presence of hot semi-liquid material that was discovered on Neptune three years later. The Sumerian regarded Uranus as Neptune's twin brother. Data gathered by the probe seemed to confirm the point. Not unlike Uranus, Neptune's color is bright blue, the planet has a strong magnetic field, a hot semi-liquid core and plenty of water."


Also;

www.ufodigest.com...
The Dogon tribe of West Africa believes that the starting point of creation is a star that revolves around Sirius and is known as the 'Digitaria star'. Their understanding is that this star is small, but heavy, and contains the building elements of creation."


Two French anthropologists Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen studied the Dogon tribe that live in an isolated mountainous region of Bandiagara, south of the Sahara Desert in Mali, West Africa. Mr. Griaule wrote about their discoveries of the Dogon tribe in his book, "Conversations with Ogotemmeli", published in 1947.

Ogotemmeli was the tribe's oral historian as was his father before him. He states that we were created by beings that genetically engineered our DNA. In fact, he said that our DNA was manipulated three times and that three different versions of humans were designed. This was due to failed experiments by out creators. Amphibious aliens from the Sirian star system, that landed on earth with "great noise and wind" on a 3-legged spacecraft. These aliens combined their DNA with the DNA of single sexed animals - us.

The Nummo came from the Sirius star system and resembled serpents, lizards, chameleons and fish!

That's right this isolated African tribe have an oral history that claims Mankind was genetically seeded by a race of aliens called the Nummos and that this race of space-aliens came from a star system that only now, with advances in science and orbiting telescopes, can finally confirm the beliefs of a African tribe that originally migrated from Egypt

So the big question is or should be,
"How can an isolated tribe, a people with no written history, have scientific information concerning stars light years away that astronomers are just confirming today?"


Although, their places of origin seem to defer, there are amazing similarities between the Nummo and the Annunaki who came to earth and settled Sumer. Ironically, both species of aliens are reported to have been in Egypt approximately 4-5000 years ago. Both races appear in ancient mythology as being dressed as fish or amphibians! Zecharia Sitchin has amassed a life time of information about the Sumerians and the 12th planet.


[NOTE: THAT LAST BIT ABOUT ALIENS DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH OUR TOPIC. THE IMPORTANT INFORMATION IS THAT REGARDING THE SIRIUS STARS]


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reply posted on 17-4-2008 @ 11:48 AM by Jbird
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I believe Griaule was debunked,

www.ufoevidence.org...

but let's not get to far off Topic...


Was the Planet Venus a Comet??



reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 12:48 PM by whiterabbit85
Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
I would not like to say if any of Velikovsky's theories are right, but I do find the orthodox theories very lame ! Clearly the cosmos is unstable and there is a lot we don't undersatand yet modern scientists present rather weak theories as facts. Coal we are told derives from swamps and forests which 'over time ' built up into layers of coal. Wat is never expalined however is how this material ended up thousands of meters underground. There are sea shells on the tops of mountains again not expalined ! The written histories of mankind are seen as odd because they talk of things we don't like to consider possible. Layers of rocks are faulted and overlaid in odd ways . The poles are known to have reversed in the past . The year changed in length . The traditional theories are very poor in explaining most of these things but discussion of alternative ideas are put down out of hand . Just because some ideas may appear far fetched doesn't mean they should be ignored without reasonable consideration.


Artifacts being found in unlikely areas has all been explained since the discovery of plate tectonics, erosion, etc.

For your two examples: Plants and forests found underground at high pressure forming coal can be easily explained as eons of sediment carried by either rain water, oceans, lakes, rivers, etc. building up over vast amount of time, compressing oranic layers.

Seashells on mountain tops can also be explained through the understanding of plate tectonics. ie: two tectonic plates converge, one goes under the other, causing the second plate to rise, thus giving birth to a mountain range. If this collision was between an oceanic plate and a continental plate, or two oceanic plates, you now have seashells on mountain tops.

These aren't theories, they have been proven through extensive research. Not to say that any theories that deviate from the norm are unacceptable, but there has to be more concrete proof given than the mythos of ancient civilizations.


reply posted on 1-11-2008 @ 02:00 AM by AmmonSeth
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No one person knows what those people actually saw,
Maybe they actually did see a comet, that happened to be where Venus normally would be?
Who knows could well have been some form of atmospheric anomaly at the time as well,
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