posted on Dec, 28 2006 @ 09:37 AM
Originally posted by McGuirk
you people really have no idea what it costs to produce and keep refineries going do you.
Not really , and that was never the question, but do you know what it does and how much profit there is to be made and why the prices can fluctuate so
wildly ( well spot prices anyways) widely for such small unpheavals in the supposed free markets?
there are two reasons that the price of gas goes up. #1 is the price of oil.
There has never once in the last five years been a physical oil shortage on world markets yetg as prices have rises so tremendously? Why is that so in
your opinion and why should gas prices rise out of proportion when the extraction infrastructure has not changed at all?
when u have to pay more for one of the ingredients, u will pay more for the final product.
True, but in almost exact proportion? How much does your overheads really increase when the price goes up?
#2 is the fact that these companies have to spend billions every year to repair existing facilities and install new ones in order to keep up
with the EPA's ever changing rules.
Those costs are baseline operating cost and should not change significantly or out of proportion to operating realities year on year. Why should we
allow the EPA to 'protect' the environment so often when the generation of energy is involved?
My job is to design such facilities, so I do in fact know how much they cost.
Great thing to know and i am sure you can then explain why the infrastructure cost is suddenly so expensive to produce the same old gas..
If you are going to whine and complain about it, dont use it.
It's the American people's natural gas ( well much of it still comes from American wells) so who are you to tell them to shut up when it's not as
cheap as it could easily be?
It's as simple as that. You can't complain about high gas prices and complain about it hurts the environment or whatever it is you want to
bitch about. And yes these companies are entitled to profit.
They are entitled to profit but they are not entitled to openly manipulate the market thus preventing alternatives or supply and demand from taking
it's rightful, and actual market related, course...
The markup on gas is really nothing. You want a real markup? look at the clothing industry.
I don't need to fill up my car with clothes when i want to go to work or require the burning of some of that clothes during transportation... If you
manipulate the price of gas you manipulate the entire economy and that we should not stand for. No one has to buy new clothes ( and people stop when
they can't afford it) but transportation, heating, lighting and the use of fossil energy is at this time still vital to our every move in industrial
or service economies. The price of clothes may very well be manipulated as well but it does not impact our lives like rising energy costs does.