posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 10:42 AM
A country, society or individuals, true and real Values, Morals and Behaviour is often best understood by looking at the core of their own self
beliefs about themselves. The behaviour and way people act is only a reflection of these internal beliefs, and a way of propping them up or achieving
some benefit or gain, or avoidance of Pain.
(A well known psychological topic people do things for two reasons, the Function of their behaviour, actions and words are only to gain pleasure or
avoid pain. That pleasure could be tactile and real such as purchasing a drink after work, or even non-defined outcomes, such as a stronger sense of
self or inflated Ego, as in some posters to this site! However some are motivated to post for the pleasure they receive about their view of self by
educating, teaching or helping others, so this is in very strong effect on ATS both the good and Bad)
So having said that and Knowing it to be true I feel that it is easy to see that therefore the way a individual, society, and country treat external
people and animals is ultimately a reflection of their own self beliefs about themselves (and im not being pious here, most negative self beliefs are
just patterns and cycles and paradigms learnt in childhood, which were taught in childhood and the cycle goes on and on). It is a well known fact that
anyone who abuses children (physical) or is a bully is attempting to recreate a balance in their internal self view of themselves, by making
themselves feel more powerful or important over others, by subjugation they gain a very very momentary inflation in their internal viewpoint to either
feel less vulnerable or weak or more important. They reflect this low self-esteem on the external environment as it also props up their own view of
themselves. So this is quite a complicated interplay of motivations, avoidance and current internal representational self of the ID, Ego at work. Even
though it is complicated and not clear cut totally it is correct though to posit that people who take pleasure in using others, and gaining pleasure
from others misfortune are themselves in need of some serious internal work to be able to have a love of themselves without resorting to this
externalised behaviour. This is as this behaviour is addictive, the view or feeling one gains from externalising this bullyish actions is only short
lived and needs to be repeated and repeated, as ultimately the sub conscious true self still knows that deep down nothing has changed on how the
individual, society or country views itself and values itself in the truth of day. Infact this very behaviour tends to devalue this self at its core,
as it is aware that the reason of the internal lack of self worth is present due to previous external events such as the one being carried out by that
self, on it that led to its situation in the first place!
Therefore logically how we treat other feeling things or sentient beings is to surmise a reflection of how the self values itself and expects (as
stated im not being pious! This is nearly always learnt behaviour and very difficult to own up to and face) to be treated. This can then be
extrapolated to a how we treat and value other beings, animals or not. We all know that animals and fish have feelings too. This paradox is shown in
the culture of the west where we love pets, adore them, look after them more than a holmless man on the street outside, whilst compartmentalising
other animals as merely for our own pleasure and benefit. (most pets I dare say see humans as we see other animals, i.e. food, pleasure, enjoyment
Now as said these patterns are learnt and rooted in early childhood mainly. It truly is a sign of Western society that today globally more children
are aware of the M McDonalds symbol and Coca Cola than are able to say who Churchill or Hitler were, or even the current leader of their respective
nation states. More children know who is Ronald McDonald than who know who Jesus Was! Truly a sign of the internal western viewpoint and its values
and focus, being spread by advertising and repetition (learnt behaviour!) to the entire globe. Until there is a sorting out of the internal values of
people, societies and countries and cultures animal factory farming and mistreatment of animals and other humans and ultimately war will continue.
To the poster who said Petra etc doctored images….OMG what are you going on about, im no fan of Peta but there is no need to doctor anything, the
reality and gore and sick images are easily available just by visiting an abattoir or a factory farm, there is no need to doctor anything, this
isn’t spin its on a vast scale and occurring hundreds of thousands of times a day globally. I suggest you set up a research forum with the Iranian
president and discuss the non-existence of the Holocaust, and all the doctored images and evidence from that period?
Anyone who has ever been to an Abattoir knows this to be the case. And I have when I was just out of school, studying my a-levels and working part
time in catering for money. I never touched meat from that day to this. I don’t mention this much to people, I have friends who don’t know (well
ive never mentioned it) I abstain from meat, I cant stand holier than though people as they are just taking the same stance of doing that to gain self
worth internally by knocking someone else, They may as well call the big kid Fat or slow one stupid, they are bullies in their own right (a perfect
example the war on terror lol) but I mention it here for discussion and passing on some knowledge of this subject.
It does not make sense-eating meat in today’s society of the west. Now don’t get me wrong if like some plane crash survivors in the 1970’s I was
stranded on a mountain with no food and lots of snow I would be the first to Eat another human to survive (without the killing bit first !!), I would
if I lived in an environment where meat was needed to survive like the Eskimos have no qualms about it, however I would respect the animal and treat
it humanely which is what we don’t do in the modern societies factory farming methods. There is no dignity in death in a Abattoir at all. It’s a
killing factory like the gas chambers.
We all know the environment is under huge strain. For every 1kg of meat compared to 1 kg of grain you need the following 10 x more water 10 x more
electricity (global warming without the methane from cow farts!) 10 x more time, contd next post.