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Religion 4. Adam and Eve

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posted on Sep, 16 2006 @ 05:16 PM
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Everyone on the face of the Earth is supposedly a descendant of Cain, because Noah was supposedly a descendant of Cain, thus his sons as well, and their children too.

No wonder we kill each other so much!

And, no wonder we're all damned for eternity!




posted on Sep, 16 2006 @ 05:31 PM
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don't know. but according to some of the researchers, we all can be genectically traced back to one women. Eve?


Never heard that, but I have read that a person can be traced
back to being related to one of the first seven homo sapien
sapien
females.


As for the Adam & Eve thing, I'm pretty sure one of the big churches
said that it was just a story, and not actually true.



posted on Sep, 16 2006 @ 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by runetang
Everyone on the face of the Earth is supposedly a descendant of Cain, because Noah was supposedly a descendant of Cain, thus his sons as well, and their children too.

No wonder we kill each other so much!

And, no wonder we're all damned for eternity!


Very interesting idea but I'm afraid that is incorrect.

At the birth of Adam’s son Seth, Eve said: “God has appointed another seed in place of Abel, because Cain killed him.” (Ge 4:25) Representatives of the line begun by Seth survived the Flood.—Ge 5:3-29,
The Geneology from Adam to Noah is:

Adam
Seth
Enosh
Kenan (Cainan)
Mahalalel
Jared
Enoch
Methuselah
Lamech
Noah
This can be found in the following Scriptures; Luke 3:36-38 & Gen Chap 5

Genesis chapter 5 provides detailed information about a chain of men from Adam to Noah. It tells how old each was when he became father to the next link. For example, ‘Adam lived on for a hundred and thirty years and became father to Seth.’ (Gen. 5:3) Thus we have:

From Adam’s creation
to the birth of Seth 130 years
To the birth of Enosh 105 years
To the birth of Kenan 90 years
To the birth of Mahalalel 70 years
To the birth of Jared 65 years
To the birth of Enoch 162 years
To the birth of Methuselah 65 years
To the birth of Lamech 187 years
To the birth of Noah 182 years

From Noah’s birth to the flood 600 years

——————

Total 1,656 years



posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 12:11 AM
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okay.....i'll tell u my point of view but first lemme go get my bible...brb



posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 12:33 AM
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Cain, The Serpent's Seed
  let's talk about Cain. In Genesis 3:15a God said, "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed." Enmity means mutual hatred. He is saying there is mutual hatred between the seedline of Satan's and the seedline of Eve's. So there are two seedlines. The serpent seed started with Cain and Adam's seed started with Seth. No matter how they have tried to cover it up in the KJV, the Dead Sea Scrolls and even verses such as Gen. 3:15 make it clear that Satan had his own seedline and it started back with Eve.
     Many of you are hearing this for the first time. Because if you have sat in church programming all of your lives you haven't heard the truth even though it is right there in the Bible. The apple was figurative for sexual relations masked with the terminology "Eve was beguiled by Satan" and until people accept it as the truth it is, they will stay blind to the real war going on today which is between the serpent seedline and the rest of the human race.
    Beguiled used in this text is the same as "seduced." Furthermore, Scripture says Cain "was of that wicked one" he was a son of Satan's through the seduction of Eve. The term "of" is the same that means offspring. Neither is Cain listed anywhere in the descendents of Adam which strongly indicates Cain was not his son. The official beginning of the wheat and the tares began with Eve. The wheat AND the tares.
    Most church pastors today will pull out Genesis 4:1 which reads, "And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord."
     There are many omissions and translation errors throughout the Bible. The Dead Sea Scrolls confirm that Genesis 4:1 was tampered with. In fact the passage should read:
     And Adam knew his wife Eve, who was pregnant by Sammael (Satan), and she conceived and bare Cain, and he was like the heavenly beings, and not like the earthly beings, and she said, I have gotten a man from the angel of the Lord.
    Now we know that anything of the Lord is confirmed elsewhere. IF Cain was indeed Satan's son, we wouldn't have to count on just one passage to prove it.
     In fact there are many:   I John 3:12 "Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his (half) brother.." Here the word "of" in Greek is #1537 in the Strong's Concordance. When used implying a person, it means "a son of or offspring."
Compare this with other translations:
The New Testament in Modern English: "We are none of us to have the spirit of Cain, who was a son of the devil.."
Living Bible: "We are not to be like Cain, who belonged to Satan.."
New English Bible: "..unlike Cain who was a child of the evil one.."
New Century Bible: "Do not be like Cain who belonged to the Evil One."
New Jerusalem Bible: "..not to be like Cain, who was from the Evil One.."
     And the popular commentaries confirm the same thing:
     The Wycliffe Bible Commentary page 1473: "He (Cain) is said to have belonged to the family of the wicked one."
     Matthew Poole's Commentary on the Holy Bible, volume 3, page 936. "Which showed him (Cain) to be of that wicked one, of the serpent's seed: so early was such seed sown, and so ancient the enmity between seed and seed."
     Matthew Henry's Commentary, volume 6 page 1077: "It showed that he (Cain) was as the firstborn of the serpent's seed.."

    In John 8:44 Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees and proclaimed, 'Ye are of your father the devil.." The term "of" meaning generation, offspring. They were of the physical seed of their father the devil.
    Trees are often used as metaphors in regards to people. Jesus was the "tree of life."
We also find:
Mat 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by [his] fruit.

     Now back to the Garden of Eden. In Genesis 2:16 we read:
     And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
     In Genesis 3:3 Eve says to Lucifer the snake,
     And the woman said unto the serpent, (Nahash), We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
     Adam and Eve had been commanded not to eat of or touch the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. In Genesis 3:13:
"And the Lord said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat."
      In Strong's, #398 the term "eat" means to eat, also to lay. The term "touch" in Strong's is #5060 which means naga, to touch, also to have sexual intercourse. Both terms had and have sexual connotations to them.
     The tree of knowledge was the means to sexual knowledge. Knowledge is to "know." Knowing means to perceive, experience, learn. It is also used as an euphemism of "to know someone" sexually as when Adam "knew" his wife. The terms eat, touch, and know are often used in Biblical lingo for sexual relations. Lucifer was the way of knowing good and evil. He was the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil because through him they would learn evil, they would perceive evil, and they would experience it.
     Who was the tree of life in the Garden of Eden? Yahshua was. Who was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Lucifer. How do we 'eat of the tree of life?" We commune with Him. We are never to commune with Lucifer, and in this instance he seduced Eve, impregnated her, and began his own genealogical offspring and seedline on this earth that is part of us today.
     Before Adam even had a chance to consummate his relationship with Eve, she was already pregnant with Lucifer's child, Cain. And that is what the Illuminati bloodlines of the New World Order don't want you to know. They are Cain's seed, of the wicked one. And it is these bloodlines of Cain and Esau working together through the control of vast wealth around the world that are bringing the Antichrist to power.
 
The Parable of The Wheat and Tares
     The parable of the wheat and tares is found in Matthew 13:24-30 and 37-43. Sandwiched in between in verse 35 is the proclamation: "I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world." Jesus then revealed the significance of the parable as meaning He (Yahweh) had fathered the good seed (wheat) and that the tares belonged to the wicked one, they had been fathered by Satan.
 
Verses 24-30:
    The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
    But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way.
    But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
    So the servants of the house-holder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? From whence then hath it tares?
    He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
    But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
    Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
     In verses 38-43 Jesus gives us the meaning of the parable:
    He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
    The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
    The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
    As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
    The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity.
    And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
    Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
     There were several declarations made in this parable that the churches often ignore.
1. The good seed were fathered by the Son of Man, Son of Adam.
2. The good seed, Adamites are the genetic sons of Yahweh.
3. The tares (Cain's seed) are the Genetic sons of Satan.
4. The enemy that fathered the tares is the same serpent of Genesis 3:15
5. The sons of Adam (wheat) will then inherit the Kingdom after the tares (sons of Cain) are destroyed.

     Again, as stated in verse 38, "The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one" This is not only a physical lineage, but a spiritual one as well.

    Yahshua told the Pharisees of His day, "..ye are not my sheep.." in John 10:26. In Josephus, Wars 2:8:2 Jewish Historian Josephus makes it quite clear the Pharisees and Sadducees were not Israelites by birth:
    For there are three philosophical sects among the Jews. The followers of the first of whom are the Pharisees; of the second the Sadducees; and of the third sect, who pretends to a severer discipline, are called Essens. These last are Jews (Judah) by birth, and seem to have a greater affection for one another than the other sects have.
     The real Jews of Jesus's day had absorbed those with contaminated Edomite hybrid blood, and therefore these could claim both Abraham and Isaac as their fathers.
    The wheat and the tares will continually throughout time grow and live together until the end of the age when the angels will separate them. What about the flood? The seedline started over again with Ham and his wife's offspring Canaan.



posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 07:18 AM
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That is a great deal of research and a lot of hard work, makes one wonder what God, our omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent Creator was doing whilst Satan, Lucifer, Cain, Eve etc were having sex with each other and creating new seedlines..
Maybe God likes watching ?



posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 08:42 AM
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Originally posted by angelslayer
Cain, The Serpent's Seed
  let's talk about Cain. In Genesis 3:15a God said, "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed." Enmity means mutual hatred. He is saying there is mutual hatred between the seedline of Satan's and the seedline of Eve's. So there are two seedlines. The serpent seed started with Cain and Adam's seed started with Seth. No matter how they have tried to cover it up in the KJV, the Dead Sea Scrolls and even verses such as Gen. 3:15 make it clear that Satan had his own seedline and it started back with Eve.
    


Care to explain how Cains "seedline" survived the flood?
Noah and all sons come from the line of Seth. This is clearly supported in the scriptures.

To shed further light on the identity of the Seed of the Serpent Jesus stated to the religious leaders in his day, at John 8:44 , “You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father.”
PLease note, this is an important point; These Jews were descendants of Abraham, just as they boasted. But their wicked conduct made them spiritual children of Satan, the originator of sin.

The apostle John, writing toward the end of the first century, explains clearly who belong to the seed of the Serpent, Satan. He writes: “He who carries on sin originates with the Devil, because the Devil has been sinning from the beginning. . . . The children of God and the children of the Devil are evident by this fact: Everyone who does not carry on righteousness does not originate with God, neither does he who does not love his brother.” (1 John 3:8, 10)

So it is by their opposition to God’s Son Jesus, that those religious leaders showed that they too were Satan’s offspring. They were part of Satan’s seed, serving him as their figurative father.



posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 09:12 AM
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Parasite, just a small sidebar. Your spelling and grammar is SO bad, nobody is ever going to take you seriously when you get older. (I assume you're pretty young to be writing something like this.) Just keep it in mind... you may not think it now, but it's important.




Originally posted by The Parasite
The bible says that god made adam and eve the first people on this planet, so what they populated the whole earth with just to people, thats just dedundent.

If there was just adam and eve there family being imbread would not survive and this is why, for people who dont know genetics ill but this in to a more simple form so u can understand, lets say adam is green in his genetics and eve is red in her genetics, lets say adams genes has just the emunity for the bird flu and eve has just the emunity for yellow fever, thier child would have both so on and so forth and the comon cold comes around, since thier genes dont have the protection agienst it they would all die, ill try and but it though a table with more understanding.

....male A......female B..........male C.......female D
........\............../......................\.............../
.........\.........../.........................\............/
..........male AB..........................female CD
.................\................................./
..................\.............................../
.....................male/female ABCD


u will also get the same genes if male A reproduced with female D and female B with male C

this is why their cant be just two people cuz we wont be here if there was we would be swiped out clean if something sickness came along and we dont have the genes to stop it, so this whole adam and eve thing is just stupid.


[edit on 29-8-2006 by The Parasite]



posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 09:21 AM
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The REAL question to all of this is, did God condone polygamy and incest? Apparently he thought it was OK. And if so, what does that say about the Christian Church today and their feelings about polygamy, monogamy and incest?



posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 09:43 AM
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How about this for an idea...

The story of Adam and eve is an allegory to cellular bacteria splitting and multiplying. (Cellular miosis)

Adam was created, from Adam's rib Eve was created.

Basically the story in cellular division. To reproduce, the cells split. From a part of Cell 'A' or Adam, Cell 'E' or Eve is created.

Then they go on to divide and reproduce etc.

I dont believe in the Bible as a literal account. So thats how I've always viewed the Adam and Eve story.



posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by iori_komei


don't know. but according to some of the researchers, we all can be genectically traced back to one women. Eve?


Never heard that, but I have read that a person can be traced
back to being related to one of the first seven homo sapien
sapien
females.


As for the Adam & Eve thing, I'm pretty sure one of the big churches
said that it was just a story, and not actually true.


I must agree with you and quite rather state morely as a fact than opinion that after people spread across the earth, that obviously went off to create their own religion, forgetting the roots. All forms of christianity are quite young when compared to some other religions [The first true form of Wicca, which is not satanism for those who think it is]. So in my eyes, the bible is just a fable upon a fable created from memory loss.



posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by Ezekiel
How about this for an idea...

The story of Adam and eve is an allegory to cellular bacteria splitting and multiplying. (Cellular miosis)

Adam was created, from Adam's rib Eve was created.

Basically the story in cellular division. To reproduce, the cells split. From a part of Cell 'A' or Adam, Cell 'E' or Eve is created.

Then they go on to divide and reproduce etc.

I dont believe in the Bible as a literal account. So thats how I've always viewed the Adam and Eve story.


Now THIS is a creative and compelling spin on the story!!



posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 10:45 AM
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Angelslayer you are extremely confused.


Cain, The Serpent's Seed let's talk about Cain. In Genesis 3:15a God said, "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed." Enmity means mutual hatred. He is saying there is mutual hatred between the seedline of Satan's and the seedline of Eve's. So there are two seedlines. The serpent seed started with Cain and Adam's seed started with Seth. No matter how they have tried to cover it up in the KJV, the Dead Sea Scrolls and even verses such as Gen. 3:15 make it clear that Satan had his own seedline and it started back with Eve. Many of you are hearing this for the first time. Because if you have sat in church programming all of your lives you haven't heard the truth even though it is right there in the Bible. The apple was figurative for sexual relations masked with the terminology "Eve was beguiled by Satan" and until people accept it as the truth it is, they will stay blind to the real war going on today which is between the serpent seedline and the rest of the human race.


First the Dead Sea Scrolls prove the accuracy of the Old Testament.


Second you are confused about the seed of the woman. The seed of the woman is Jesus the Messiah who was the only one on earth ever born of the seed of a woman.

This seed of a woman Jesus the Christ crushed the head of the serpent. Jesus was not born of the corruptable seed of man but born of the Holy Spirit.

Anyone that is not BORN AGAIN or spiritually born is born of Satans seed.




posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 01:36 PM
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first off I will answer some of the doubts ya have but before u guys start assuming am confused, please be advised that what I posted is just 1/8 of research. So until you all read all the pieces, which I will post, please don't confuse yourself. oh and one more thing, I am not here to discuss with religious figures, I am here to just share my point of view. Did I not say that?



posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by Sparky63
Care to explain how Cains "seedline" survived the flood?
Noah and all sons come from the line of Seth. This is clearly supported in the scriptures.
    

Esau, the Serpent Seed
     There are two different groups of people throughout the Bible and our past, present, and future. Those who are elected to grace while the other is elected for wrath and destruction. These are two specific groups with two specific elections and only they can hold these elections, no one else is like them.
     It is a specific seedline? No. Although it may sound like it means just that, it does not mean that all. That would be like saying all those born into a cursed seedline are doomed for hell and all those born into Yahweh's chosen seedline are awarded heaven.
     There are three major aspects that come into play at all times in regarding all things. The choices Yahweh makes, the choices Lucifer are allowed to make, and the individual choices we make.
     Esau was born of a good seedline but he chose to go the way of the wicked. Just as those born of cursed seedlines can choose to go the way of the righteous. Do we choose or are we chosen ahead of time to do exactly what we do? Yahweh knows the end from the beginning and He knows those who are His and those who are not because He knows exactly what is going to happen. And He places His chosen vessels of honor anywhere He wants to, good or bad seedline. And Lucifer will do the same thing, except his vessels are of dishonor.
     Some say the whole war started with Jacob and Esau, when it actually goes back to Cain, and in these last days it is going to culminate as the seedlines of Cain through the Antichrist will try to destroy and annihilate the seed of Jacob.
     Remember it was Esau who married into the cursed Cain race, corrupting his seed and offspring. He wasn't born into a cursed seedline, he turned his back on his good seedline and went the way of the wicked.
     The seed of Jacob is both the House of Judah and the House of Israel, the 14 tribes. We (America) are part of Israel folks. Now don't go off into the British Israelism theory because it is flawed and serves the purposes of the Illuminati who are trying to claim the British throne goes through King David when it's been sabotaged over the years and especially the only ones on the throne there now are imposters.
     If you look at much of the scattered tribes of Israel today they include Germany, France, Britain, America, and others..the predominant white races of the world. America itself contains a mixture of all the tribes of Israel here and many of us are linked to one of the sons. Manasseh is dominate in America, the 14th tribe of Israel while Britain is Ephraim. Reuben is France, Dan is Greece, etc..
     The Gentiles relate to the House of Judah and the House of Israel as those who have converted to Yahweh (for those who do). The entire last days war puts the gentiles (other races) in the middle of a war between Satan's people and Yahweh's people. It is a war to see who will rule from Mt. Zion in Jerusalem with Satan working through his seedline and Yahweh working through His to see who wins. Well if you have jumped to the back of the book you know who wins, Yahweh does. But Satan will be allowed to attempt to rule the world for 42 months before he is utterly demolished by the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.
     If you read in Genesis 25:21-23 the war started back in the womb of their mother, Rebekah:
"And Isaac intreated the Lord for his wife, because she was barren: and the Lord was intreated of him, and Rebekah his wife conceived.
And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus?
 And she went to enquire of the Lord. And the Lord said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger."
    The twins in her womb were Jacob and Esau. They were already at war with each other then, fighting in the womb, for the Lord had ordained them as two different types of people that would be at war with each other. One would be stronger than the other and the elder would serve the younger. Esau, being born first, would serve Jacob.
     And if you read the story of Esau and Jacob, Esau selling his birthright to Jacob for a bowl of red (Edom) pottage (lintel beans) it was because the birthright meant nothing to Esau, he despised it. What was the birthright? Bringing forth through his seedline the redeemer of Adam, Jesus. Esau did not care about it and Jacob was willing to deal and deceive to get it, it meant everything to Jacob.
     Esau despised his birthright, and Yahweh despised him. Esau was determined to go his own way and do his own thing and that is what he did. In Genesis 26:34-35 we read how he committed his own seedline to eternal ruin and becoming "Sons of Perdition," even as Judas who betrayed Jesus was. Not only did he give his birthright away to Jacob, he broke the hearts of both Isaac and Rebekah by taking Hittite women as his wives. The Hittites were descendents of Heth, and Heth was one of the sons of Canaan, a cursed seed. Canaan was a son of Ham, and father of all Canaanites including the Hittites. These people were a cursed seed because of what Ham did to his father, Noah.
    And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. And Noah awoke from his wine, and KNEW WHAT his younger son had done unto him. And he said, cursed be Canaan Gen. 9:22, 24-25.
     Another event covered up by figurative language. The actual sin was an homosexual act Ham committed on Noah and then laughed about it to his brothers. When Noah awoke from his drunken state, he "knew" what Ham had done to him and cursed not Ham himself, but his offspring Canaan.
The Hittites were the power brokers in the known world, much as today.
      They controlled most of the economics (money) and merchandising (corporations) and were a very powerful influence. They were worshippers of Satan and had much wealth. When Esau married Hittites he created high treason against the Most High by adulterating his holy seed with the serpent and cursed seed. He sold his birthright for red pottage, mixes his seed with the serpent seed, and by doing so condemns himself and his entire offspring to the Lake of Fire (tares).
     Judas who betrayed Jesus was of the serpent seedline as well. He and the Antichrist are both called "Sons of Perdition." Perdition means eternal ruin. All of Esau's descendents were sons of perdition, sons of eternal ruin. Jesus said that Judas was a devil (John 6:70). Sons of Perdition are Satanic spirits sent to this earth by their father Satan. They were prepared and chosen for destruction through their Election before they were even born.
     The end of the story of the birthright blessings for Jacob and Esau are rather prophetic and an overall picture of the last days. Esau, realizing there was money to be had from being the firstborn included in the blessing, runs off to prepare meat for Isaac who is going to give him his birthright (nevermind he had promised it to Jacob when he realized there was money involved. He was going to go back on his promise with Jacob). But Rebekah heard what was going on and helped devise a plan to where Jacob could deceive Isaac into believing he was Esau and give him the blessing that Esau had traded Jacob for over a bowl of red pottage. After realizing Jacob had already received Isaac's blessing, Esau begged for a blessing as well, as part of his blessing Isaac told him:
"And by the sword thou shalt live, and shalt serve thy brother; (be under his authority) and it shall come to pass thou shalt have dominion, that thou shalt break his yoke from off thy neck" Genesis 27:40.
     And the war continued between Jacob and Esau. In Genesis 27:41 we read:
"And Esau hated Jacob (enmity) because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said in his heart, The days of mourning for my father are at hand; then will I slay my brother Jacob."
     Jacob was determined to kill Jacob. Jacob had hit Esau where it hurt the most. Jacob got the wealth as part of the birthright he had taken away from Esau. That is probably why Esau married Hittite women, because of his lust for power and wealth. And that seed is the same way today. They control the money around the entire world.
     They are called Edomites because of Edom, the color red, which is what the bowl of pottage was. Esau was also very red/ruddy and hairy. And to this day it is still their mission to kill Jacob. Esau never succeeded in killing Jacob, but to this day the war continues and the seed of Esau, the Edomites seek to get rid of Jacob's descendents, which are primarily today's Christians and believers in Yahweh. Jacob's descendents became known as Israelites.
     Esau's descendents also became known as Reds, which is also seen as the symbolic color of Communism. All of the "isms" were created by the serpent seed such as Socialism, Nazism, Humanism, Liberalism, etc.. and are the backbone of the first beast of Revelation 13 which is the same scarlet colored beast mentioned in Revelation 17 with seven heads and ten horns.
     Also notice the prophecy that Isaac gave Esau that he would live by the sword and take dominion over the earth. In Rev. 13:10 we read the first beast lives by the sword, will take dominion over the earth, and will die by the sword. Same seedline.
    It is the New World Order and Zionism that carries the serpent seedline today. It is ruled in the background by the Illuminati families of the Serpent's seedline. It is Satan's master plan to bring the entire world under a global government through the New World Order so he can rule.
     Satan's seed will make war against the Lamb's seed (believers, Israelites and Judahites) "these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire." Rev. 17
     Today, the world banking Edomite/Hittite/Canaanite/counterfeit Jews under Satan's rule control the world's economy and preparing the world for global government and the rise of their master, Satan as the Antichrist.
     In the book of Obadiah there is a prophecy written to the serpent seedline of Esau for the last days.
    The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock (they hide themselves away from public view with their underground bases), whose habitation is high (world authority, political authority); that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground (arrogance of their power and strongholds)? (verse 3)
      Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle (Illuminati symbol), and though thou set thy nest among the stars (space stations and planetary bases), thence will I bring thee down, saith the Lord. (verse 4)
    How are the things of Esau searched out! How are his hidden things sought up! (Esau is working through deception and lies and keep their real plans hidden from public view). (verse 6)
    Shall I not in that day, saith the Lord, even destroy the wise men out of Edom (the Learned Elders of Zion, which rule behind the scenes)., and understanding out of the mount of Esau? (authority) (verse 8)
    And thy mighty men, O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that they may be cut off by slaughter (the Lord's judgment on them when He returns). For the violence against thy brother Jacob shall cover thee (war on the saints), and thou shalt be cut off forever..(verse 9)
    But, upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the Lord hath spoken it. (verse 18)
    And saviours (judges)shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount (authority, government) of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the Lord's. (verse 21)
     Yahweh wins!
     Today the battle rages on between the physical and spiritual. Cain's seed vs. Yahweh's seed. It may look like Yahweh's seed is losing during the Antichrist's War on the Saints but we know that Yahweh Himself will have the last act on the stage called Earth.
     Furthermore, we know the future of the final two characters to come to earth to lead the battle against Yahweh's people..the False Prophet and the Antichrist. In Revelation 19:20 we read:     
     And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
 
     And what happens to their master Lucifer Satan? His fate is foretold of in Revelation 20:
 
   And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
   And he laid hold of the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
   And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
     Lucifer is chained and cast into the abyss for 1000 years then loosed for a little while to wage one last final attempt against the Most High. After he loses yet another attempt to overcome the Most High, he is thrown in the lake of fire to stay there forever.
     In Revelation 20:10 it says:
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and false prophet are and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
    
     Not only has their been a defiling of our seedlines with Satan's seed, but with other fallen angels as well. Interbreeding has been going on since the beginning of our creation with the Watchers who fell described in Enoch chapters 6 through 10 and Genesis 6:4. They fell before the flood and after.

 



posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by angelslayer
      It is a specific seedline? No. Although it may sound like it means just that, it does not mean that all. That would be like saying all those born into a cursed seedline are doomed for hell and all those born into Yahweh's chosen seedline are awarded heaven.


You seem to contradict your previous post where you stated,


Originally posted by angelslayer
"Before Adam even had a chance to consummate his relationship with Eve, she was already pregnant with Lucifer's child, Cain. And that is what the Illuminati bloodlines of the New World Order don't want you to know. They are Cain's seed, of the wicked one. And it is these bloodlines of Cain and Esau working together through the control of vast wealth around the world that are bringing the Antichrist to power.


Your reference to specific bloodlines indicates a succession of linage. Once again I ask you to demonstrate from the Scriptures (please quote chapter and verse) that Cain's bloodline survived the flood.

If his bloodline did not survive the flood then you whole argument is invalid.

By the way this is not a new Idea. The Mormons used this same argument in the past regarding Cain's bloodline being cursed to support theitr racist views regarding blacks.


[edit on 17-9-2006 by Sparky63]

[edit on 17-9-2006 by Sparky63]



posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 02:49 PM
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Angelslayer





Not only has their been a defiling of our seedlines with Satan's seed, but with other fallen angels as well. Interbreeding has been going on since the beginning of our creation with the Watchers who fell described in Enoch chapters 6 through 10 and Genesis 6:4. They fell before the flood and after.



I have located the source of your confusion.

There is no book of Enoch in the Bible.

Throw that thing in the trash.



posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 03:02 PM
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The seed of the Serpent is not dependent on a specific physical bloodline,

The apostle John, writing toward the end of the first century, explains clearly who belong to the seed of the Serpent, Satan.

He writes: “He who carries on sin originates with the Devil, because the Devil has been sinning from the beginning. . . . The children of God and the children of the Devil are evident by this fact: Everyone who does not carry on righteousness does not originate with God, neither does he who does not love his brother.” (1 John 3:8, 10) Evidently, the seed of the Serpent have been very active throughout all human history!



posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Angelslayer





Not only has their been a defiling of our seedlines with Satan's seed, but with other fallen angels as well. Interbreeding has been going on since the beginning of our creation with the Watchers who fell described in Enoch chapters 6 through 10 and Genesis 6:4. They fell before the flood and after.



I have located the source of your confusion.

There is no book of Enoch in the Bible.

Throw that thing in the trash.


Excellent point Sun Matrix. I missed that reference all together.
I did note where angelslayer callously tosses out Gen 4:1 because it doesn't agree with his theory

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posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 05:58 PM
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What the original Biblical text say...


Originally posted by Sparky63
You seem to contradict your previous post where you stated, "Before Adam even had a chance to consummate his relationship with Eve, she was already pregnant with Lucifer's child, Cain.


Let's go back to the original texts:
Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

The multiple translations all indicate that sex occurred ("knew" is an Old English term (1600's, when King James version was produced) meaning "to have sex with")
www.blueletterbible.org...

This can be crosschecked in the concordances with Hebrew... the word in Hebrew does mean "have sex with."

So, if you're arguing "what's in the Bible", this isn't correct.

If you're arguing "The Bible got it wrong and this other text got it right" -- there you're arguing religion and not science. So far, Christians haven't been convinced that it's appropriate to alter the Bible presented to them by the Diet of Wurms.



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