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Anyone met Dr Greer?

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posted on Aug, 28 2006 @ 05:28 PM
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Anyone met him - or indeed been on one of his remote viewing field trips? I am waiting for his new book from Amazon which I know has received many mixed reactions because I like to keep an open mind on things..

When I first watched the Disclosure Project National Press Club briefing on Google about a month ago I believed Steven Greer to hold much credibility and I took everything said seriously. I have since searched the internet for as many of his interviews as I can find because I want what he says to be true and need more assurance.

I am a little skeptical when coming across information such as the "Mt Blanca Gas Attack" incident. Also after just analysing Greer on Google - The Untold History of the Disclosure Project (Steven Greer) (2004) he seems more eccentric and not quite the way I first perceived him. I understand that he no longer works as a doctor? You hear about many doctors suffering with mental health problems like having a nervous breakdown due to the intense stress of their job, and so I wonder if Dr Greer is a bit too dillusional now?

So if he runs these field trips where he takes a group of people into the countryside to meditate and summon an alien spaceship why don't these people speak up? why not show evidence on the official website?




posted on Aug, 28 2006 @ 07:15 PM
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Yup, a couple times. The eccentric nature you speak of, hasnt just been as of late.
I found him and CSETI (at the time) to be pretty much filled with those "fringe" type of people you just smile and nod at to avoid deep conversation. I heard the remark from one researcher who was very much in the media at the time about CSETI: "people talk alot about UFOs being a cult, thats a close to a cult as you can get." I dunno about "cult", but some things I found odd about it all.

A couple members of the "team" at CSETI told me when they go on skywatch or "vectoring missons" or whatever they call these outings to flash lights and lasers at airplanes and planets (or some unknown light on the off chance) they pack a bag.

I remember asking why they packed a bag. One lady said in case they are invited inside the craft for some extended trip. I nearly wet myself. I half expected to see some in red jumpsuits and shades.

Greer has long claimed the ability to vector in craft to quite close proximity, but I have never seen any footage to support that...ever. For a man who sells instructions on how to do this "vectoring", nothing I have seen leads me to believe he knows what he's doing.

I have had some tell me they've watched these people signal helicopters and airplanes thinking these were genuine alien craft.

As far as Disclosure Project, it might have been a good thing had it not been piloted by Greer, and not offered for sale at every turn. His "donation" fees are in my opinion, legendary. I personally believe this is his reason for real involvement. Money.
See: www.ufowatchdog.com...



posted on Aug, 28 2006 @ 08:07 PM
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Until I read first hand account of an attendee admitting to signaling helicopters and planes. I believe the disclosure project 100%. The people involved have credentials and traceable backgrounds. Sorry.

[edit on 28-8-2006 by dgoodpasture]



posted on Aug, 28 2006 @ 08:30 PM
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I met Greer some years back at an event hosted by Saucer Smear.
Right where he belonged.
What is it they say? If it quacks like a duck or whatever.

Put Greer in a canoe with Boylan and they couldn't paddle their way thru all the crap.


Toc

posted on Aug, 29 2006 @ 09:23 AM
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He will be teaching our CSETI group in september. So i'll let you guys know how it goes.

So far, from going through all the documentation, it's a very solid organisation. The methods and protocols are solid. I'm 100% satisfied with everything i have learned from the documentation.

The fact they didn't share any footage doesn't negate the fact their methods seems to be solid, unusual, but well thought and solid IMO.

jritzmann, if money was the intend, i don't think he would have left a 250 000$ ER position, would he?

Please people, wake up and stop been so paranoid. Open your mind and find the truth for yourself and stop relying on other people's perceptions.

SwingingMonkey, i'll prepare an overview of the training, with all the material i'll be allowed to share with the community when i come back and post it here.
I'm not sure what can be shared or not yet, but my goal is to try to open some more mind to the subject and educate the people around me.





[edit on 29-8-2006 by Toc]



posted on Aug, 29 2006 @ 09:32 AM
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Maybe he just wants to be famous. (JOKING)

For someone to put so much time and effort into the disclosure project shows this guy isn’t taking people for a ride.

I truly believe he’s doing it all for the right reasons and what he's doing is immensely positive. Its just a shame the press don’t take more interest in his work. admin edit: removed childish censor circumvention...


[edit on 8-31-2006 by Springer]



posted on Aug, 29 2006 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by Toc...jritzmann, if money was the intend, i don't think he would have left a 250 000$ ER position, would he? [edit on 29-8-2006 by Toc] ...

Is that his story?

With all I have read on this forum about the claims in his books and in meetings with him, it is a greater probablility he:

A) The decision to leave his previous profession was not his own.
B) There is more money to be made in his current practice.



posted on Aug, 29 2006 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by Toc

jritzmann, if money was the intend, i don't think he would have left a 250 000$ ER position, would he?

Please people, wake up and stop been so paranoid. Open your mind and find the truth for yourself and stop relying on other people's perceptions.


So, you dont think he's making money? Try again, most likely as Nullster said, more then that. Or, Nullster could also be right that his decision to leave wasnt his to make.

My mind is open but not so much that my brain falls out. I can find the answers for myself without Greer's price tag. A fool and his money soon part, and there's no shortage of fools for Greer to cash in on.

And when he advertises such prices for his "knowledge" I dont have to do any work to show that, nor do you have any footing to claim otherwise.

So for your "training" are you paying $725.00 or $800.00? CSETI.com has several dates listed on their site for these prices. This doesnt include travel, hotel, food, or anything but "training materials", in the form of books it seems.

Whats really scary to me? Most are sold out.

So you tell me skippy, who isnt making a killing here? Such B.S.

[edit on 29-8-2006 by jritzmann]



posted on Aug, 29 2006 @ 12:23 PM
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I've asked around town because I live around where he is. He used to picket a communications intelligence center run by the military in our town. That was long ago, before they moved to a less conspicuous site (with less conspicuous barbed wire) further out of town.

I don't know him personally, but I am assuming he has had a long standing interest in the nature of secrecy and the power associated with it.

I can't make comments about his character, though. I'd have to get to know him before making any kind of judgements.



posted on Aug, 29 2006 @ 12:54 PM
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I noticed that the majority of people (if not all) selected to give the testimonies for the Disclosure Project all have books out on UFO's.

People like Stephen Lovekin, for example, talks with much conviction and you can see the fear in his face and hear it in his voice when he tells his story..its like he knows he is saying far more than he should. What was the reason for him stepping forward? - what is his defense? - or I wonder if he has been roughed up by the military? - and maybe his background has been erased?

I am amazed that Clifford Stone is still in the army. Some of the stuff he has said seems to be the most unbelivable - has he been ordered to give disinformation?

I noticed he has his own site and you probably read this old interview

www.burlingtonnews.net...

Cliff claims that the aliens are not as friendly as what Greer says. What he talks about would make a helluva good movie.



posted on Aug, 29 2006 @ 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by SwingingMonkey
I am amazed that Clifford Stone is still in the army. Some of the stuff he has said seems to be the most unbelivable - has he been ordered to give disinformation?


Who knows. I agree with ya most of it it pretty out there. I see in your link that the writer of that article got ahold of Cliff through Aileen Edwards. I couldnt for the life of me remember where I knew that name from....then I recalled she used to be in my Parascope chats on AOL a lot, under the name UFOCCI. I remember she was notoriously difficult, often defending people like Billy Meier and Wendelle Stevens. That was enough for me.

Unfortunately, even if Cliff is being truthful to the best of his ability, having the other name mentioned immediately makes me suspect. Ya cant throw the baby out with the bathwater...but...ya know.

Thats just my opinion.


Toc

posted on Aug, 29 2006 @ 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by SwingingMonkey
I noticed that the majority of people (if not all) selected to give the testimonies for the Disclosure Project all have books out on UFO's.

People like Stephen Lovekin, for example, talks with much conviction and you can see the fear in his face and hear it in his voice when he tells his story..its like he knows he is saying far more than he should. What was the reason for him stepping forward? - what is his defense? - or I wonder if he has been roughed up by the military? - and maybe his background has been erased?

I am amazed that Clifford Stone is still in the army. Some of the stuff he has said seems to be the most unbelivable - has he been ordered to give disinformation?

I noticed he has his own site and you probably read this old interview

www.burlingtonnews.net...

Cliff claims that the aliens are not as friendly as what Greer says. What he talks about would make a helluva good movie.


When the big media won't back you up. What do you have left to inform the population? Books, Internet and Radio.

If you believed you had the truth or something that could change the way people lived and maybe try to make this planet a bit easier on all the population, wouldn't you try to share that with the rest of the world through books?

I'm not saying all writters have good intentions here, but you can't descredit all UFO specialist cause of other bad cases...

I personnaly don't believe abduction is nothing else then mind work and induced memories, but that's an opinion.

Anyway, i would rather start on a neutral ground and work from there, than starting with the concept all our space brothers have evil intends.

Edit: Fixed typo.

[edit on 29-8-2006 by Toc]


Toc

posted on Aug, 29 2006 @ 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by nullster

Originally posted by Toc...jritzmann, if money was the intend, i don't think he would have left a 250 000$ ER position, would he? [edit on 29-8-2006 by Toc] ...

Is that his story?

With all I have read on this forum about the claims in his books and in meetings with him, it is a greater probablility he:

A) The decision to leave his previous profession was not his own.
B) There is more money to be made in his current practice.


So tell me, who made him stop doing ER Work? You can back up this?

I personnaly don't believe he is making more money today with books and other things, than he was while doing ER work. One of you could dig into that if you feel the need to.



posted on Aug, 29 2006 @ 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by Toc

Originally posted by nullster

Originally posted by Toc...jritzmann, if money was the intend, i don't think he would have left a 250 000$ ER position, would he? [edit on 29-8-2006 by Toc] ...

Is that his story?

With all I have read on this forum about the claims in his books and in meetings with him, it is a greater probablility he:

A) The decision to leave his previous profession was not his own.
B) There is more money to be made in his current practice.


So tell me, who made him stop doing ER Work? You can back up this?

I personnaly don't believe he is making more money today with books and other things, than he was while doing ER work. One of you could dig into that if you feel the need to.


I guess since ya dont wanna answer the question I'll answer this one. Maybe no one made him stop, maybe he quit...either way, it's obvious from his website that the fees are WAY more then enough to support the lifestyle of choice. Sold out lectures at 800 bucks a pop? $725 if youre a repeat customer?? Add book sales, and other appearances, plus incoming membership fees at CSETI??

Yeah, ok.

So I'll ask again, and it's your perogative to answer because it's your business. What was the fee for your training coming up in September?


Toc

posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 08:11 AM
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You seem to think Cseti has many hundreds of thousands members, which I strongly doubt. Anyway, I'm not here to figure out if him and his dedicted partners, in that peaceful endeavor, are managing to live. I sure hope they do manage to get around life as well as if they had more conventionnal jobs.

I'm paying the full price for my training, 800$. And i think it's a fair price. For me, it's quite a lot of money, I'm just a simple computer programmer, but i believe in the cause and think it's worth getting involved. It's also a way to show them some support and that we happy some people get involved in that matter.

BTW, 800$ is a full week training with the top quality people in the subject. I'v heard of training seminars for weekends going for 2 or 3k for various subjects, especially true in computers...

Now, if you don't anything constructive to bring to this thread, let's move on.

Edit: Fixed typos.

[edit on 30-8-2006 by Toc]

[edit on 30-8-2006 by Toc]



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 09:04 AM
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I don't really understand why you, jritzmann, attacks people like Dr Greer. If it wasnt for him, I wouldn't even have heard of these GOOD witness testemonies that i have through the disclosure project (excluding Clifford Stone, maybe). Most of the storys you read on the net are these Sci-Fi fantasies such as Serpo, Billy Meier and yours too for that matter, jritzmann. So for you to attack someone who has done so much to bring out (in his mind) the truth to the general public is really ironic.

[edit on 30-8-2006 by DigThat]



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 09:20 AM
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And sure, you could argue the case that he makes money out of people who wants to believe him, but you cant discredit someone without any proof to back you up. You're making all these assumptions to why hes full of crap and all, but you really have no ground to stand on while doing this.



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 12:28 PM
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Well I guess you told me.

I dont have to have present any "proof" of the selling when it's right there on the website..so go look. My ground is fine. How's yours?

If these craft have been vectored in so damned close...again I ask, where's the film? I mean these people go out purposefully to do this, no one brings a camera?? Give me a break.

How about this, where Geer apparently presented a fraudulent photo...one known to be so for 34 years?
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"From: Jim Giglio
To: free_energy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 4:04 PM
Subject: [free_energy] Subject: Re: Greer called me back in one HR> from DC

What Greer did at his May 2001 event at the NPC was to display a blatantly fake UFO image, an image tht has been known to be a fake for 34 years, having been investigated by the Colorado project as "Case 7" (www.ncas.org/condon). Now perhaps Greer is/was in possession of evidence indicating that the image in question is _not_ a fake; if so, the time to have presented that evidence was on May 9th, 2001, while McCandlish was waving the thing around in front of the cameras.

He didn't do so, which indicates either (1) that he's perfectly well aware that the image is a fake, and cynically believes that the audience he appeals to is made up of gullible fools who can be taken in by fabricated evidence, or (2) that he himself is massively under-informed on the issue he claims to be an expert on, and also knows absolutely nothing about how to vet a witness before that witness appears in a high-profile public forum.

This is D.C., the most powerful city in the world, and Greer claims to working to influece the powers-that-be in this center of power, on the most important issues facing humanity. You don't get to be influential in this town, on those issues, with those movers and shakers, by putting on a clownish display featuring fabricated evidence, even if the clownisheness involves only a single piece of evidence (which it didn't)."
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It's also not the first time I've had very credible people say Greer has presented others "evidence" as his own. UFOWatchdog makes very clear several situations in which this is the case.

Wanna go way back? How about Greer on Larry King Live at Area 51. When Greer was asked if the president knew about UFOs, he said he "cant comment on that". As if he knew something he wasnt allowed to say. Stanton Friedman immediately jumped into it. "What does that mean??" Stanton said rather irratated. Greer's reply?

He had no idea how much the president had been briefed. Thats all.

So had he not been challenged by Stan, his ambiquitous comment would have made him look like he really knew something he couldnt talk about. Why not just say 'I dont know'?? Because it's all part of the charm.

Where is the SETI member who Greer claimed had multiple alien signals? Since the date of that announcement, no one has even remotely shown up.

Yet none of these issues seem to effect the cost of "training" (lectures). I've done lectures in years past, so I know what goes into them. I also know when I was offered money for doing them, I refused because I know this is an important subject that should be available to those without so much as a dime. There are plenty of others out there who do it that way too.

Who knows, maybe I'm old fashioned.

Now on the other side, I dont say every person Greer has in disclosure is lying either. I dont say it's not a good thing to try and do. Just that my opinion is Greer is not one who should be heading it.

As far as my instances being "sci-fi" fantasy, I wasnt aware you investigated my case, so whats your name? I would like to know how you arrive at such a conclusion without speaking to anyone, but just reading summaries I post here. Seeing as the whole thread is anything but "sci-fi" in theme (if there even is a theme) I have my doubts you even read it. So anyway, if you'll give me your name I'll know if you investigated my case, as I know most all of them personally, and I can announce to ATS that you've proven me a fraud. A fraud who's literally given everything away publicly for free, in exchange for snipes by people like you.

Otherwise I'll have to say it's more likely just retalitory flaming because you have either buyer's remorse, or nothing else to hurl.



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 01:17 PM
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I would not pay that much money. But that is an investment choice you have to make. Personally, I cannot begin to understand the argument of 'we need money to continue our mission' when the mission wouldbe over weeks if you simply showed enough people how to vector them in for free.

I mean, that would expand exponentially, would it not, as people showed each other how to do it?

Or is the evidence "In your mind" and you can't see them "through your eyes" or something like that? In that case, I think I will keep my $800 to save up for a doppler lidar.



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by Ectoterrestrial
I would not pay that much money. But that is an investment choice you have to make. Personally, I cannot begin to understand the argument of 'we need money to continue our mission' when the mission wouldbe over weeks if you simply showed enough people how to vector them in for free.

I mean, that would expand exponentially, would it not, as people showed each other how to do it?


No, in fact youre obligated to sign essentially a non-disclosure agreement. They call it a "participation agreement", but it says you have to keep all proceedings confidential (so no showing anyone how to do it...it's proprietary...imagine that), no videotapes can be presented to the outside world without permission of CSETI, and big surprise, any UFO related phenomena that my show up, is directly due to CSETI's efforts...not yours.

So claiming ANY sighting as yours (even it if came from YOUR camera) and presenting it as so, is a no no. The videos or photos are yours and CSETI's for unrestricted use.

BUT, say you went, say you tape something. You cant come here and post it without their permission. Likewise, you cannot sell it. It seems to me like they can do what they wish with your footage from YOUR camera, but youre somewhat restricted without their permission.

Can you imagine going out by yourself after breakfast one day and getting unbelieveable footage of a structured UFO object while everyone is inside eating or sleeping?? Well guess what, you're obligated to ask for permission to show it from CSETI, or do anything with it for that matter. Goddamn, how much B.S. is that.

So how funny is it that CSETI/Disclosure Project, have NON disclosure agreements.



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