Originally posted by interestedalways
Why do you say Pepsi has gone off the deep end just because he has made a good point.
What point has he made? That some Masons post predominantly on Masonic subjects? Why is this a point? He seems obsessed with this and I fail to
understand why he (or anyone who's paying attention) should be surprised. It's not a conspiracy. Not by a long shot. People with a common
interest posting on a common topic. [shrug]
If your only intent for being a member of ATS is to gather your fellow Mason brothers and attempt to squash any discussion or exploration of the roots
or beliefs of Masons then you are interferring with the threads in general.
My intent is to tell the truth as I see it. Someone (rougevif) posts something I believe isn't true about Freemasonry, I post a message refuting
it. Would it be better for posts to go unchecked? Should this board just be a lot of posts that make statements without any actual discussion?
Would be pretty boring.
The trend seems to be to step in and overlook any questions raised about symbolic meaning or history of your group and instead to personally attack
the intellegence of any poster who suggests Masonary might not be what it seems to be. Any group which operates in secret codes and secret meanings
is going to be scrutinized by members on a conspiracy board.
There can be no "scrutiny" if no one responds to what is said. Else it's simply random statements as I said above. Two sides. Pro. Con.
Nothing new about that.
By the way, the word is "Masonry" not "Masonary" No second "a" That's not a slam at you in any way, so don't cry about it. There's
simply no such word as "Masonary" If we're going to discuss it (which hopefully we are) it doesn't bode well for the conversation if we can't
spell the topic of discussion correctly.
Do you have no other interests to talk about on ATS?
What's it to you? Why do you CARE if I have other interests. I've been a very active Mason for 25+ years. A search for some Masonic information
led me here. Is there some ATS rule that I HAVE to post on other subjects just to make you happy? If so I missed the memo. [shrug]
Are you here for one reason only, to divert threads which might shine some light on what your beliefs may be.
To which beliefs do you refer? My belief in God? My belief in service and assistance to my fellow human beings which is reinforced by Masonry?
When I posted I was simply describing some insights I had on possible meaning behind some of your symbols. Instead of a discussion of the information
I presented you all jumped in and changed the subject immediatly.
Help, help, I'm bein' repressed!
If you wanted to be a member of this website and explore conspiracy related topics you would do so.
Personally I've SEEN no conspiracy related topics. I've just seen
"The Masons secretly control the government, the Catholic Church and the West Nyack Bowling League, but low-level Masons are too stupid to know
what's really going on in the organization they are so active in and we outsiders who've never met an actual Mason nor stepped inside a Masonic
Lodge Hall know everything that they are doing and must enlighten them lest Lucifer, in the form of Albert Pike or (god forbid) Manly P. Hall, snatch
That's not conspiracy discussion. That's pathetic nonsense and as a Mason I resent the insinuation that I know nothing about my organization.
Plain and simple.
Instead you seem to exist here for one reason. To protect the interest and secrecy of the Masons.
Why are Masonic secrets, which affect you in absolutely NO WAY
any of your business? Just because you think you have a right to know them?
Newsflash! You don't.
Call Coca-Cola and ask for their soda formula. See how far you get.
But does not knowing the CC recipe make Coke an evil entity? (Granted it does some nasty things to ones stomach but you don't have to drink it)
Neither do you have to be involved with Masons who aren't bothering you. Or are they? What have Masons done to you? Have you ever been one? Do
you know any personally? Have you ever attended a meeting of the Masonic fraternity?
I suppose this is OK as long as we see it as such.
Imagine my relief that you think it's OK
This devalues your input in my opinion because your posts are serving a purpose, not sharing information or seeking to learn anything.
If so, ignore me. I won't miss you, but I won't stop posting either. You seem to think that those who oppose Masonry are the only ones who should
post here, now why is that?
BTW, I seek to learn plenty, but in doing so, I also seek to disclaim any blanket-statement untruths spoken about Freemasonry. Don't come on with
the "I *know* this about "them" because...." Come on with discussion. "I heard such-and-such, could it be true? If so let's talk. If not,
why not?" That's discussion. Believe it or not even you
might learn something about the subject rather than simply try to teach all the
The purpose being to protect the secrets and perpetuate the outward appearance of the organization.
I can't argue with that, but it's important to note that while certainly there are some bad Masons (I've known a few) the "outward appearance" as
you put it, is also reflected overall in the "inward appearance" Just because it has secrets, why do you insist it's evil? If you aren't a
Freemason, how do you know for sure? Someone told you? Well, some is telling you otherwise now.
Who to believe?
You really want to know Masonic secrets? It's not that hard if you believe in a supreme being. Petition membership in a Lodge. Then the wild
speculation falls by the way-side.
[edit on 3-9-2006 by Appak]