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posted by DarkStormCrow
In truth I loath to change the document at all. Some issues need to be dealt with changing the Constitution is most likely not the answer, however government abuse of the document have gotten to the point where some action is needed.
posted by DarkStormCrow
Thanks for the excellent 4 part post donwhite. The issue of term limits is one that concerns me, as is the issue of generational carry over by certain "Elite" families within the country. That’s why I propose a 12 year limit of service in government, how to deal with "Elite" family carry over is an issue I don’t know how to deal with. Limiting the House to 435 members is another issue it makes no sense there should be 1 representative per x number in the population. I feel the present system allows the "Elite" to maintain its control. I like the original system where the runner up became the Vice President it was a check on the Executive Branch within the Executive Branch. I am very concerned about the issue of Executive Orders and Signing Statements and how they are abused. I like the idea that the people would vote for a new Vice President in case the present one moves into the Presidential slot or is incapacitated in some way, more balance in the executive.
posted by DarkStormCrow
I prefer the State Legislatures elect the Senators as was in the beginning. Many Federal powers today should be returned to the States as was originally, since the Civil War many of the States powers have been severely diluted due to the growth of the federal behemoth.
posted by DarkStormCrow
State Armies as opposed to Federal Armies. Federals should keep the Navy, Treasury, and State Departments the States could handle the other Departments. This I feel is as the founders intended. The money needs to be controlled by the Congress and not some quasi Independent Corporation. Weapons rights need to be clarified and in my opinion more protected especially where it concerns carrying for self protection.
posted by DarkStormCrow
The any person born on US soil is a citizen whatever the national origin of the parents needs to be addressed. The English language needs to be made the official language for purposes of Government business including voting, if your voting basic English should be a requirement. Hand marked ballots does away with hanging chads and computer fraud, requiring ID to vote is basic common sense , and if ID costs is a concern I don’t mind paying a bit more for my DL in order to pay for the IDs of those who cant afford on or make them free to all if that is what it would require.
Originally posted by donwhite
1) Term limits. You propose a 12 years limit on service in Congress. 2 full 6 year terms in the Senate, 6 full 2 year terms in the House. Hmm? As much as I disdained GOP J. Strom Thurmond’s 50+ years service in the Senate, I now enjoy Dem Robert Byrd’s 50+ years service in the Senate. I guess it depends more on whose ox is being gored than on any principle I have. If WV’s Byrd lives out the term he was just elected to in ‘06 he will surpass SC’s Thurmond as the longest serving person. Why should we DENY the voters of WV the right to have the person of their choosing to represent them in the Congress? I am against term limits.
2) Family dynasties. Well, I’m thinking of the Gore father and son, from Tennessee. Both named Albert. I’m thinking of the Chaffee’s of RI also a father and son team. As for governor’s, I’m reminded of the Talmadge father and son team, the son later becoming a Georgia senator. As for mayors, I’m reminded of the two Mayors Richard Daley of Chicago. Both named Richard but having different middle names. Not quite the same I also think of the Kennedy family, three brothers in the Senate but not at the same time and one who was president. One of the Kennedy children is now a congressman from Connecticut, I think.
As presidents go, the Bush father son team is compared today with the husband and possibly wife team of the Chitons. The two Roosevelts were cousins. Adams were father and son and the Harrisons were related but I forget how. I’m sure the are more I have overlooked but not on purpose. Again, as long as we know the relationship, I see no reason to ban any relative running for office although it surely is an advantage. Well, right now, Jeb - James Earl - Bush is very unlikely to seek the presidency so it can go both ways.
3) Size of the House. Until it was reconstituted in the 1990s, the British House of Lords numbered more than 1,100 although 200-300 was the usual number who attended sessions. Long ago stripped of any real power, the Lords are like an older brother giving unsolicited advice to an younger brother, valid only for its quality and not for its senior source. Today the Lords can “hold” a bill for up to one year, unless even that pinch of power is specifically withheld by the Commons on a particular bill. The UK population is about 60 million. The House of Commons has 650 seats. About 1 member per 92,300 people. Our 435 House members represent about 690,000 people each assuming equal representation around the country which is not the case. If we went to 92,000 per representative, we’d have 3,260 members of the House. I do not believe the OUTPUT of the larger House would be any better than the smaller 435 members. Here I am, the most radial poster endorsing the current system. Number-wise, anyway. Can you believe that?
4) Vice President. Constitutionally the VP has TWO duties. To preside over the Senate and to cast a tie-breaking vote. But in the case of an impeachment, the Chief Justice presides over the Senate which sits as the jury, not the VP. Harry Truman did not meet FDR but 1 time after he was hand picked by the “powers that be” in 1944 to replace left-leaning but popular Henry Wallace as VP. Truman became president on April 12, and had never heard of an atomic bomb. By August, he had ordered the use of the atom bombs. Barely 100 days. And the world was changed forever.
I don’t like the WAY VP Cheney has exercised his powers granted to him by the President. It defeats the normal channels of advice to the president. It obfuscates responsibility and accountability. But we have always agreed the VP is available to the president to be his helper. It’s up to the president how much power he delegates. I don’t like it but it’s not again the law or the rules.
You have a real good idea on making the runner up VP. Our 2 party system would guarantee the VP would be of the opposite party. OTOH, that would also defeat the will of the people. Consider 1960. JFK barely won the presidency, so Nixon would have been his VP. Instead of LBJ succeeding him on November 22, 1963, Nixon would have. Ugh! The winning Dems would not want that. Consider 1974. Nixon resigns. Instead of Gerald Ford becoming president, George McGovern would have succeeded him. Ugh. I’m sure GOP types would not have been happy about that. Good idea, but it’s got no traction.
5) Presidential succession. I agree on calling a special election would be the way to go instead of turning it over to the new president and Congress to the exclusion of the people. Time would NOT be of the essence, so an election in say, 120 days, requiring the Dems and the GOP to name 3 men or women each, and a runoff election 30 days later if no one gets a 50% +1 vote in the first election. That would put more power in the hands of the people and take it out of the hands of the established elites. Oops! That's unlikely.
posted by DarkStormCrow
I feel the system is broken and abused by the "Elites" in Washington I wouldn’t trust them to walk my dog much less have a Constitutional Convention. I don’t think anything will change I don’t think "Elites" in Washington are capable of any true Statesmanship. So I believe I am waiting for the breakdown and then the bloodletting.
Originally posted by donwhite
1) Senators to be elected by state Legislatures. The issue here is control. It is fantastically easier for special interests to control state legislatures. All but the largest 2 or 3 are under control of unelected interests. IMO. It is much harder (more expensive) to control the Federal Congress. The 17th Amendment changed the original system to popular elections of senators. Interesting you ask to revoke or repeal the 17th because at first glance it seems to have been the fastest ratified of all 27 amendments. It was proposed to the states on May 13, 1912 and made effective on May 31, 1913. Barely more than 1 year.
The Bill of Rights, the first 10 amendments, OTOH, were submitted to the states on September 25, 1789, and were not approved until December 15, 1791. I must assume the 17th was a very popular change in our Constitution becuse it was ratified so quickly.
The 27th Amendment OTOH, was also submitted on September 25, 1789, but it was not approved until May 7, 1992. 203 years later. A bad joke in my opinion, played on us by the Archivist of the United States who was given the job of deciding if ratification was valid due to the long time lapse between its submission and its adoption by 3/4ths of the states.
The Archivist decided the legal doctrine of LACHES did not apply. Laches is the equivalent of a written statute of limitations. It means the cause or issue is too old, it is stale, it has died, legally speaking. The Archivist said ”No,” it is not too old. The 27th is like my view of the 2nd, which I regard as archaic and the 9th and 10th which I regard as being rhetorical only. The 27th is pointless IMO and in any case of no effect.
Originally posted by donwhite
2) Armies or Militias?
Impossible. But YES, I do believe the FFs had this in mind. Our being forced to financially support the British Red Coats over here was one of the major causes of the Revolutionary War. But 2007 is not 1776. It is unrealistic to think we could possibly have 50 small armies called Militias that could be coordinated under a unified command in a time of national emergency but still operate independently otherwise. I have been 5 years in the USAF and I can speak first hand that even the USAF has trouble being UNIFIED.
Harken back to WW2 when the US employed the M1903 Springfield bolt action rifle, the M1 Garand rifle, the Browning Automatic Rifle, and the M1930 Machine gun in both water cooled and air cooled versions, and all used the same caliber .30-06 rounds. The M1911A1 Colt Semi-Auto pistol and the M3 Thompson Automatic Submachine gun both fired the same .45 caliber ball ammo.
In our own Civil War the Union Army had more than 10 different muskets and rifles to supply with ammo and the South had even more varieties. You could have 50 extra rounds in your pocket and the soldier next to you could be out of ammo at the same time. Different calibers. Fast forward to the present and imagine if you had a VHF radio and the next unit over had UHF radios. You’d be back to semaphore flags to communicate. No way can we have that.
Originally posted by donwhite
1) Citizenship. Ah, Mr DarkStormCrow, here I cannot go with you. You are referring to the 14th Amendment, Section 1 which defines American citizenship. (The US Con does not). “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.” The very epitome of simplicity. Even if you disagree with it, you’ve got to love it! The “qualifying jurisdiction clause” refers to foreign ambassadors and others in transit or here on official business or on some qualifying visas. Note that the Con and amendments use TWO terms or classes “citizens” and “persons” when defining certain rights and privileges.
2) English. Here again I differ. America is alone among the great nations of the world which is essentially monolingual. Almost everyone in any large or powerful country you name is either bi-lingua or multi-lingual. I regent I am not bi-lingual. That is my loss. If it was up to me, I’d require Spanish be taught K-12 in public schools. By grade 6 on the West Coast we might add Chinese and elsewhere add Arabic. It is difficult to impossible to know a people when you cannot speak their language. That is one of our major problems in Iraq and the Middle East today. We don’t know what they are saying. Translating words is not the same as making thoughts understandable. We can do a little bit of the former and almost none of the latter.
3) ID. Yes, I agree, we need a National Identification Card. It should bear a picture and a fingerprint. On the back it should have encoded in a strip our essential medical information and next of kin contact info. It’s past due.
Originally posted by donwhite
1) Broken system? While the system is not dysfunctional yet, it is on the verge. From my perspective I see genuine CFR - Campaign Finance Reform - as the best possible single fix that would be significant. I’d ban all private money in the electoral process. That would eliminate 40,000 paid lobbyists on K Street and return the halls of the Capitol building to public ownership. Short of that, I see little chance of the very same people who are the beneficiaries of campaign donations voting against the wishes or interests of those making the donations.
2) Bloodletting. France. 1789. History says Robspierre who was the founder of the Terror - the real name - was the last person to suffer the guillotine. 1794. Ironic? Poetic justice? The Communist in Russia killed millions. The Chinese Communist under Mao Zedong killed millions. Edi Amin killed 600,000. Rwanda has seen over 500,000 killed. Sudan has seen over 200,000 killed. And on it goes. Yes, there could be a bloodletting but we all hope not. It’s mostly up to those you call “Elites” and I call the R&Fs. The Rich and Famous. ½% of Americans own 50% of the nation’s wealth. That’s not good. As Jesus said, “it is harder for a rich man to enter heaven than to pass though the eye of a needle.”
posted by DarkStormCrow
Realizing that you are against, if the limit was 24 years in Senate and House and 12 years for the Presidency would you be more agreeable toward term Limits? Its not a party issue for me, here in Nevada for example Harry Reid is one of my Senators I already know who his successor will be it will be his son Rory and truly no other candidate has a chance because of the political machinery in place.
posted by DarkStormCrow
Harry Reid will end his present term in 2011 he has been in Office since 1987. Here in Southern Nevada the Reid’s are like the Kennedy’s in Massachusetts I suppose. Rory is being brought up through the ranks with County positions I expect him to run probably in 2010 against Jon Porter the Republican Representative in my district and with the machinery behind him he will most likely unseat Porter.
Interestingly the Democratic party brought in an outsider named Tessa Hafen to run against Porter in 2006 and she lost. They also brought Jack Carter son of Jimmy in to run against John Ensign in 2006 and he lost luckily Ensign is very popular in northen Nevada which probably saved us. When I say brought in it was literally that neither Hafen nor Carter had lived in or worked in Nevada until just before time to file for election I don’t think that sat well with many people.
Originally posted by donwhite
2) I think there must be a big difference between Nevada - small - and New York - large - because NY has taken as its own Robert Kennedy and Hillary Clinton. I expect Nevada is more homogeneous than NY?