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reply posted on 29-8-2006 @ 10:00 PM by Muaddib
Originally posted by DJMessiah
Bin Laden's intentions are known only to him. From what I've read on his behavior and actions, he resents the west after the Russian military occupation in Afghanistan. I can say though, his actions are far from Islamic. The US has been asking for peace in the Middle East, and Bin Laden has ignored it.


I beg your pardon, but how exactly are Osama Bin Laden's actions far from Islam?

Mohammed's view of Christianity and the Jewish people changed dramatically after they rejected Islam and rejected him as a prophet. At first Mohammed was more tolerant towards Christianity and Judaism, but his anger towards Jewish people and Christians can be seen in later chapters of the Quran. Mohammed even ordered Muslims to stop praying towards the north, Jerusalem, and to pray towards Mecca instead, of course the account in the Quran is that Allah said to change the direction to which they prayed so they would pray towards a different direction than the Jewish people.

I know there are many moderate Muslim people that would never accept the extremist view, but the truth is that Mohammed was not a peaceful man. In fact we know he raided caravans, killed people, including people who had surrendered, took slaves from raided caravans as captives and wives, and he even broke laws which the archangel Gabriel gave and all Muslim people should follow, such as only being able to marry 4 women. Mohammed married 9-12, most of which were captured slaves, some were Christians, some were Jewish, but also some Arab women.

I am not a religious person, but i wish that there was a new Muslim prophet, or at least that all, or most of the Islamic clerics would proclaim that the old ways are not to be followed anymore, that is the only way I can see Islamic extremism changing to a more moderate form of Islam, peacefully.

BTW, what was it that Mohammed told the newly converted Muslims to do to spread Islam, and what was it that they did?

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reply posted on 29-8-2006 @ 10:57 PM by Heckman
No doubt nomater how many verses that I post .. some will say that I am trying to hide other parts...

Quran Surah 9
1. A (declaration) of immunity from Allah and His Messenger, to those of the Pagans with whom ye have contracted mutual alliances:-2. Go ye, then, for four months, backwards and forwards, (as ye will), throughout the land, but know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah (by your falsehood) but that Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him.3. And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.4. (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.6. If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah. and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.7. How can there be a league, before Allah and His Messenger, with the Pagans, except those with whom ye made a treaty near the sacred Mosque? As long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for Allah doth love the righteous.8. How (can there be such a league), seeing that if they get an advantage over you, they respect not in you the ties either of kinship or of covenant? With (fair words from) their mouths they entice you, but their hearts are averse from you; and most of them are rebellious and wicked.9. The Signs of Allah have they sold for a miserable price, and (many) have they hindered from His way: evil indeed are the deeds they have done.10. In a Believer they respect not the ties either of kinship or of covenant! It is they who have transgressed all bounds.11. But (even so), if they repent, establish regular prayers, and practise regular charity,- they are your brethren in Faith: (thus) do We explain the Signs in detail, for those who understand.12. But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and taunt you for your Faith,- fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith: for their oaths are nothing to them: that thus they may be restrained.13. Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe!14. Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,
15. And still the indignation of their hearts. For Allah will turn (in mercy) to whom He will; and Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.

Now CLEARLY if you read 1-5 you will see that first there is a call for repentance.. and a warning against those who deny faith. Next is a statement that pagan allies whom follow their agreements are to be left alone. Then after the forbiden months a call for war against the pagans. It clearly says to kill them. It clearly says to kill pagans unless they convert to Islam. The only ones that are identified to not be killed are the ones that are already in alliance with muslims. ... continued



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