Originally posted by Murcielago
Alien species could be millions of years ahead of us (technologicaly speaking)..

Yes they could but does that mean there are a dozen more efficient ways ( than the anti-grav basis) to travel inside a planets atmosphere?

.And if thats the case...then they would have FAR FAR better tech. Would you not agree?

We really do not know what the upper limit is but why immediately assume that it can't be us or them because we can not be that advanced and they
will be more so? All we know for sure is we can do so it's stupid to assume that others will not employ similar methods.

I dont think there interested in us because of our anti-grav tech...I think there watching us in much the same way that we would watch an ant
farm.

Well i certainly do not know what their motives are if there are in fact aliens watching us from orbiting spacecraft. It in fact sounds like a stupid
idea if you want to stay hidden and i suspect with all the advanced technology they supposedly have they would have found better ways. It makes far
more sense to suspect that the ships we see buzzing around inside and outside the atmosphere are in fact from here and operated by the armed forces of
various countries.

of course the Wright brothers didn't copy an alien design, and I think as a civilization were pretty smart, and can overcome any
task.

So why does UFO talk so frequently involve aliens and not earthly factions? When the Russians claim they have weapons that makes any American ABM
defenses useless what exactly do they mean by that? Instead of discussing the question in a even marginally useful way people just immediately and
stupidly assume that it's not us even thought these UFO's do they type of stupid average things that continental powers would in fact be doing.

But I think Anti-grav is out of are reach...for the moment. And I will likely think that until they show off a fuel-less spacecraft. Or until
I have a lot of proof to sway my decision.

This is clearly not about proof as the proof have been out there for decades on end. Have you at all looked at my posting record and put two and two
together?

I think we came up with props, jet engines, scram jets,& PDE's, And I think the best hope we (the average joe) have of being able to go into
space is by using a space elevator, Hopefully one will be functional with in 2 decades.

Why base what is possible on your limited understanding? Why not do some research into what sort of devices have been patented in this scientific
realm?

Just for the record, I'm an Atheist.

Which in my opinion is just as bad as being religious. Why so arrogantly assume that there can not be a 'god' or creator that is responsible for the
almost impossibly fast evolution of the hominid species?

Much of the chaos in the world to day is because of religion. (I'm mainly referring to terrorist, where their Islam religion tells them to die
for it, and they will get 72 virgins waiting for them......

Actually most of the chaos in the world is due to the policies of the western powers who actively try destroy any notion of independence and freedom.
Religions play their part in this mess but the absolute massive majority of religiously inclined people are not made more prone to general warfare and
destruction than is the norm imo. People are as peaceful as their governments allow them to be and the nature of the religion practiced in that
society do not seem to play a significant part. People do not like war and fanaticism in religion are mostly due to things that happen well outside
the religious sphere.

Which...BTW, is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. But these wacko's believe it and go drive a car rigged with explosives into a market to
kill as many as possible.

Well i think you will be surprised to find how infrequently actual suicide is involved in car bombings by the nature of the crater left. There is no
conventional explosives that you can place in a car or on a person that can leave a hole in the ground. The reason the west always involves the notion
of 'suicide' is to make the enemy seem impossibly crazy and thus worthy of being hunted and destroyed like animals.

The world would be a better place if there were no religions.

No doubt.

links please? and I would like the links to be linked to the US patent Office site, to the exact patents your referring to.

I think anyone left unconvinced after tracking down the inventors and inventions described below is uniquely stupid or uninterested in what reality
has to offer humanity. I can make more specific arguments but it's always interesting to see what people like you do when you have been given this
volume of rope.
www.spots.ab.ca...
Stellar