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posted on Aug, 28 2006 @ 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by realanswers

free will mind control.


Sorry, I just wanted that statement to stand on its own merit, or lack thereof.



For the chart, it was taken from the internet as a good referance.

I think it should be left up to the masses to decide for themselves what is a good reference or not. What site did you get it from? Please don't say Freemasonwatch. I mean, it would make sense, but really.


I respect the truth and other peoples serious opinion on it. If another person has more information, then I will pick up on it and learn a little more to confirm with the many things that I do know.

I've bolded the important parts here. You'll learn from something only so long as it goes along with what you already think you know. This is not respecting truth, it is ignoring it. Blatantly.


That is the key word: confirm.

As I said.


If what is learned can confirm with what is already known, then another piece is added to the puzzle of life that answers the common questions by going deeper in actually answering the deepest of questions.


The shallow end of the pool is only deep if you, yourself, are small.




posted on Aug, 28 2006 @ 10:25 PM
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Dear ATS fellows,

as far as intelligence goes, this is clear they want to rule but isn t that legitimate...simple conservation instinct... but the means to achieve are a bit harsh for me to understand.

I am really curious of any links you might have on the evil deeds of the governing masons. once again this opinion is just mine


Cug

posted on Aug, 29 2006 @ 03:23 AM
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Originally posted by Becon of Light
i agree with trinity, while the man of the freemasons (and the women of co-masonry) are capable of abusing the tenents of brotherly love and helping out your lodge brother for personal gain, i have never seen any indication that this is the purpose of the order.


I just ran across this site.

brothersbusinessnetwork.com...


The Brothers Business Network was formed so that upstanding and enlightened businessmen could meet each other for the purposes of: business networking, a place to find upstanding and enlightened employees for your business and as a place where upstanding and enlightened businessmen can find a similar employer to work for.


IMHO I don't see any great danger in this. It happens in all sorts of clubs



posted on Aug, 29 2006 @ 07:06 AM
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Originally posted by Cug


IMHO I don't see any great danger in this. It happens in all sorts of clubs


I agree. Interestingly, Rotary International is a an association of businessmen and businesswomen. Masonry is not a business association. Rotary's primary purpose is business networking, while the concept is foreign to Freemasonry. Rotarians openly admit the purpose of their organization, yet many folks on ATS still don't seem to get it, and accuse Masonry of being "Rotarian" in nature.



posted on Aug, 29 2006 @ 08:13 AM
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Originally posted by rougevif

Dear ATS fellows,

as far as intelligence goes, this is clear they want to rule but isn t that legitimate...simple conservation instinct... but the means to achieve are a bit harsh for me to understand.

I am really curious of any links you might have on the evil deeds of the governing masons. once again this opinion is just mine

Are you ignoring me, Rougevif? I asked you a question at the top of page 2 and you haven't answered it.

I'd like to dig a little deeper into your claims for Anthony Robbins, but I will need your help in doing so. If you continue to ignore me I shall assume your claims about him are spurious and you are in fear of exposure.

Oh - and here's a link for you concerning the evil deeds of the masons...

www.grandcharity.co.uk...



posted on Aug, 29 2006 @ 08:16 AM
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Originally posted by Cug
I just ran across this site.

brothersbusinessnetwork.com...


The Brothers Business Network was formed so that upstanding and enlightened businessmen could meet each other for the purposes of: business networking, a place to find upstanding and enlightened employees for your business and as a place where upstanding and enlightened businessmen can find a similar employer to work for.

This sort of thing makes me uncomfortable. I agree that informal networks exist everywhere, but in freemasonry's case it ought to remain informal. It is likely that this will encourage some people to join freemasonry for the wrong reasons and that will only harm us in the long run.

[edit on 8/29/06 by Trinityman]



posted on Aug, 29 2006 @ 10:39 AM
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Dear trinity man,

i am not ignoring anybody i just don t live in the same part of the world as you do...



posted on Aug, 29 2006 @ 10:46 AM
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hi folks,

anybody can make their own mind through the excellent book of Juri Lina called Architects of deception... including the more than possible of A.robbins belonging to a the Alpha Lodge cf. p 388.

you can give a lot to charity and be a butcher... this is amusing to realise that all the richest people on earth are suddenly giving a lot to charity...

i wonder why the rockerfeller's family only have more than 200 foundations and trusts...

i hope you are not paying taxes...because they don't...;-)



posted on Aug, 29 2006 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by rougevif
anybody can make their own mind through the excellent book of Juri Lina called Architects of deception... including the more than possible of A.robbins belonging to a the Alpha Lodge cf. p 388.

Yes, well, I don't have that book so perhaps you could quote the relevant portion that relates to the so-called Alpha Lodge.

While you're at it could you post the bit about Hitler being a freemason? The book makes this claim also.

Thanks.



posted on Aug, 29 2006 @ 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by Cug
brothersbusinessnetwork.com...



Originally posted by Trinityman
This sort of thing makes me uncomfortable. I agree that informal networks exist everywhere, but in freemasonry's case it ought to remain informal.


What I personally would like to see among brothers:

There is so much dirtiness and ethical greyness that goes on in the average business - it's disheartening. I'd like to see brothers create a network of businesses that vow to be legitimate and ethical in all their dealings, and meet to discuss their methods and ideas for accomplishing this. Don't restrict it to brothers... let any business that wants to follow the ideals join.

Ahh, that'd be nice. A pipe dream, though.



posted on Aug, 29 2006 @ 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by Hobbes
I'd like to see brothers create a network of businesses that vow to be legitimate and ethical in all their dealings, and meet to discuss their methods and ideas for accomplishing this. Don't restrict it to brothers... let any business that wants to follow the ideals join.

Well that is certainly something I would willingly subscribe to, as long as it wasn't limited to freemasons and anyone could join.



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 08:27 AM
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this is funny you are metionning below you don thave that book...



Yes, well, I don't have that book so perhaps you could quote the relevant portion that relates to the so-called Alpha Lodge.

While you're at it could you post the bit about Hitler being a freemason? The book makes this claim also.

Thanks.

but as you can see on the quote above it seems that you know that it quotes that most likely hitler was beeing a mason?...hold on wait a second ...hitler...no less...a mason...

and it doesn t tickle you somewhere to be part of the same community as filthy man...we know afterwards there were much worse than him i am not going through names now

as you can see the masons tactics is very simple one is criticizing the evidence or the proof or the argument and an other one confort the other in this idea. so that the mr Soandso can be fooled as well.

can I speak directly to a 33 degree scotish rite please?...at least they are more fun...

i would like to ask mason how do they feel about what they are part of and what is their objective...to make it something constructive?



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by rougevif


but as you can see on the quote above it seems that you know that it quotes that most likely hitler was beeing a mason?...hold on wait a second ...hitler...no less...a mason...


Adolf Hitler was a conspiracy theorist, and had always been anti-Masonic. He is very clear in his writings that he considered Freemasonry to be a Zionist front organization, as well as a blatant enemy of National Socialism.

In Nazi Germany and German-occupied territories, Freemasonry was illegal, and anyone suspected of being involved in Freemasonry was subject to arrest and deportation to the camps.

However, two of the three of Hitler's archenemies (Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Sir Winston Churchill) were Freemasons.

The Center For Holocaust and Genocide Studies has a page dedicated to the anti-Masonic tendencies of the Nazis here



can I speak directly to a 33 degree scotish rite please?...at least they are more fun...


Why?


i would like to ask mason how do they feel about what they are part of and what is their objective...to make it something constructive?


I would like to ask you the same thing. What's your objective? Why do you bear false witness, and why do you spread disinformation?

[edit on 30-8-2006 by Masonic Light]



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 09:03 AM
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Dear masons,

I am really worried by your objectives simply because this is quite confusing once i expose something, i am confronted to others questions.

if you are a mason please state which degree you are this way we can have serious conversations...

please read architects of deception by Juri Lina and reconsider your answers.



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by rougevif


Dear masons,

I am really worried by your objectives simply because this is quite confusing once i expose something, i am confronted to others questions.


So what exactly do you think you have "exposed"?


if you are a mason please state which degree you are this way we can have serious conversations...


I am a Master Mason, and am a Past Master in my Lodge. Furthermore, I am a 32° Scottish Rite Mason, am a Royal Arch Mason, Cryptic Mason, and Knight Templar in the York Rite, am a Shriner, and hold various side degrees from appendant bodies.


please read architects of deception by Juri Lina and reconsider your answers.


Haven't read it, but I've read many books like it, as well as websites. They're all pretty much the same, and their primary purpose is to get people who are completely ignorant of the subject to buy their books. It's what they do for a living, and they are quite aware that the more controversy and craziness they include, the more their books will sale.



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by rougevif
Dear masons,

I am really worried by your objectives simply because this is quite confusing once i expose something, i am confronted to others questions.

if you are a mason please state which degree you are this way we can have serious conversations...

please read architects of deception by Juri Lina and reconsider your answers.


I am not a Mason and have no degrees, I have always been interested in secrets and think that you are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

I believe that Masons secrecy started because they needed to preserve another kind of belief system rather than be compelled to the one monopoly of the Catholic Church. When you live with wolves you have be able to defend yourself.

The cost to humanity of fifteen centuries of Christian savagery – of hundreds of millions of lives brutalised and truncated, sacrificed to war, torture, pogrom, burning, pestilence and plague – is incalculable.

The fact that Masons may not believe in the Trinity, for example, had to be hidden at the risk of certain death: society has not always been as open as today.

There are good and evil Masons and there are good and evil Christians like Buddhist,Hindus etc..All Religions mean well, but you can use electricity to electricute someone or light a room.

Maybe most Masons do not even know it but they are the guardians of an oral tradition that is much earlier than Christianity and they have a right and a duty to keep it alive.



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 12:02 PM
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I am not taking into considerations the wrongdoings of the catholic church nor others, but if you look in history you see that the masons are engendering many problems and conflicts...simply because it benefits to them.

any "religion" that is trying to dominate is not interesting for a true believer.

oups should i mention again the pure creation of the mormons, the witnesses of jehovah and the evangelist church by illuminati.



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by rougevif

this is funny you are metionning below you don thave that book...




Yes, well, I don't have that book so perhaps you could quote the relevant portion that relates to the so-called Alpha Lodge.

While you're at it could you post the bit about Hitler being a freemason? The book makes this claim also.

Thanks.


but as you can see on the quote above it seems that you know that it quotes that most likely hitler was beeing a mason?...hold on wait a second ...hitler...no less...a mason...


I visited your link and it describes the content of the book


as you can see the masons tactics is very simple one is criticizing the evidence or the proof or the argument and an other one confort the other in this idea. so that the mr Soandso can be fooled as well.


I haven't seen the evidence and I make no judgement at this time. Are you going to post further detail or not?


can I speak directly to a 33 degree scotish rite please?...at least they are more fun...

Sorry I'm not 'fun' enough for you. I take it that you are not going to provide any further information or detail, and leave your unsubstantiated quotes out there drifting on the surface of the forum like so much flotsam and jetsam.


i would like to ask mason how do they feel about what they are part of and what is their objective...to make it something constructive?

I would like you to stop evading me and look in some detail at your existing claims. It seems to me, and others, that you are intent on guerrila tactics - posting selected information from a source without any further intention of discussion.

You're not here to Deny Ignorance, are you? You're here to perpetuate it.



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by rougevif

Dear masons,

I am really worried by your objectives simply because this is quite confusing once i expose something, i am confronted to others questions.

if you are a mason please state which degree you are this way we can have serious conversations...

please read architects of deception by Juri Lina and reconsider your answers.



I am not a Mason, but also feel a certain compassionate compulsion to provide an informational relief, to whatever degree, so as to shore the fear-born poverty which has perverted the puerile imagings of your mind.


rougevif,

In my humble non-exclusive opinion, there is an experience that most, if not all, mankind will eventually become privvy to. It is most closely related to mind and yet is often a mystery to that most grand of faculties. Even the most erudite of inquiries into its nature is made a vain endeavor. Its substance would appear to be shrouded in a heavenly veil only the worthwhile are able to lift.

In a purely intellectual sense we can call it the higher mind, or the realm of intuitive understanding, but even this description fails miserably to convey the proportion of its majesty. From a western Religious perspective we can call it the Mind of Christ. The east may refer to it as the Samadhi or the Bliss of Atman. The realities of this proposed human eventuality is, even now, being considered by the most sterile auspices of the scientific establishment. They refer to it as the SupraConsciousness which can be rudimenatrily defined as the unification of the conscious with the subconscious mind. An event predicted to make mankind undeniably aware of our inherent interconectedness with creation- It is conscious dawning of The Brotherhood of Man, en masse. Some herald it as the next evolutionary step in human development.

The great mystery,imho, is that there exists evidence of this advanced mind, in the form of ancient wisdom texts-as written by historical prophetic figures. As well as, astonishing architectural achievements that have confounded the most penetrating of perceptions. Masonry, through the proper interpretation of her symbols and pious performance of her rituals, may offer a more circumspect view of this mystery and if properly venerated, may even yield instruction on releasing the the True Mind as Hermes spoke unto Tat.

I hope this was of some benefit.


Kindest regards.



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 09:03 PM
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dear ATS fellows,

I would like to make it clear that i am not afraid and that i am not poor. As refering to intelligence, well it would be quite foolish to evaluate mine myself. But this is not with a certain pride that i reached a master's degree and an enviable position in my work. I have traveled extensively and read quite a few volumes.

my perverted puerile mind uses 6 languages including chinese. but i am not here to sell myself. This was to demonstrate i am not completely ignorant.

obviosuly, i cannot post here the full book of juri Lina but i strongly advise sceptics to read it and make their own mind about the masons objectives.

no matter what i will defend my positions and this thread is created for it...so you can flow whatever informations on me....

sincerely, I remain



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