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from Wikipedia (edit: foodnotes removed)
A federal judge ruled on August 17, 2006 (in the case of ACLU v. NSA), that the program violates the FISA statute enacted by Congress as well as the First and Fourth Amendments of the United States Constitution. She ordered a stop to the eavesdropping without warrants. However, the parties to the suit agreed that the program could continue until a hearing on the matter on September 7.
from Bush (according to the L.A. Times)
"Those who heralded the decision not to give law enforcement the tools necessary to protect the American people simply don't see the world the way we do," - Bush
Originally Stated By Benjamin Franklin
Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
Originally posted by ThichHeaded
All I have to say is this was told to us long ago by a person here.
Originally Stated By Benjamin Franklin
Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
Originally posted by Gools
Here's a couple more questions. Did you even consider why the state of the world is what it is today?
Originally posted by Gools
Would you trust the same people/organisations to clean up the mess they created?
Originally posted by Gools
Besides, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Your chances of being the target of a terrorist attack are smaller than being hit by lightning, and you don't see a "war against bad weather".
Originally posted by bothered
What ticks me off about domestic spying, they know my grocery shopping habits, who I call, etc.
But they can't seem to stop ID theft.
Originally posted by dawnstar
before there is any loss of freedoms, our government should be doing all they can to protect us in the ways that don't cost us our freedom. this is what gets me. they've let God only knows who cross our border all these years since 9/11 and didn't seem to take border security seriously until public groups decided to do their job for them.....but they were spending countless man hours and dollars to trample our constitutional rights...
Originally posted by dawnstar
by the way, the judge that ruled, she is a board member and trustee to a group that donated something like 45,000 dollars to the aclu....so, well, they might be some conflict of interest here.
Originally posted by GENERAL EYES
I don't mind the survillience as much as I do the constant reminders of it.
Originally posted by Baack
Personally speaking, I'd feel a little better about this under a different presidential administration. Not necessarily a Democrat -- just not a neocon Rapture-Republican bunch. That way, I'd be a little more assured that this was actually about tracking and catching terrorists.
(snip)
I don't mean to sound like a paranoid wacko, but I have not a single doubt in my entire being the something like this will occur.
Originally posted by ferretman2
The 'illegal' wire taps were not being used on everyday Americans - only on overseas calls from suspected terrorists. Certain individuals bend the 'facts' to suit certain purposes.
Originally posted by ferretman2
I guess a major question would be:
Would the 'supposed' bombing of 10 airliners been foiled if these two programs were not being used?
I don't know........................should these programs be stopped to see if airlines get blown-up? That will also have a negative effect on the current administration.
Originally posted by ferretman2
it's beem abused once (NY). I do not know of any reporter, polictical leader or military personnel that has been 'degraded' due to actually factual information. When the facts are fabricated to fit a certain adgenda then there is a problem.
Originally posted by ferretman2
(Don't anyone bring up Iraq, germany, russia, france england and the us government thought WMD's were there......regardless Sadamm was in violation of the terms agreed to after the 91 gulf war)
Originally posted by ferretman2
Social Security numbers are a joke......it is supposed to be the most important number for a persons life....yet just about everything require one to write it down....alot. Think how many times you have written your ss number in your life.