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posted on Nov, 2 2006 @ 10:15 PM
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...not going to find any extant Bibles from before circa 450A.D.

1) the Canon of the Bible had not yet been established - it did not come down on a silver cloud, complete and with angels trumpeting its arrival
2) many documents/treasures were destroyed by barbarians (such as the Goths), or by other conquerers, like the Byzantine General extraordinaire, Bellisarius, who reconquered the city for Byzantium
3) riots - a civilian riot (need to look up the year/Emperor) in rival Constantinople, for example, saw the masses reach the palace, and burn and destroy, including a letter claimed to be from the hand of Jesus Himself to Abgar, King of Edessa - the only preserved writings directly by His hand.




posted on Nov, 2 2006 @ 10:19 PM
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The vatican has its own enemies and I'm sure that is one reason why it hordes its knowledge. Secondly knowledge is power and they wish to hold onto that power but what is their true agenda?



posted on Nov, 2 2006 @ 10:33 PM
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I have a theory about a doctrine that may be hidden, long have people debated the first pope, recognized as Peter if the first pope was not they would want to keep that hidden, that way if someone takes the name of the first pope not everyone will know and draw the conclusion that that pope is indeed the anti-christ.. Do I have any backers of this or debunkers??



posted on Nov, 2 2006 @ 10:33 PM
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I'll tell you what they are hiding.. it's chocolate.. the best chocolate makers in the world are all held in a dungeon kitchen.. hidden deep in the vatican vaults.. deeper then their most precious libraries and archieves.. forced to make lil chocolate popes and chocolate rosary beads till the day they die as punishment for making easter candies!!

Oh yea.. and that huge collection of porn they are said to be keeping locked up? they made all that porn themselves.. and no this isnt just some shameless priest/boy sex joke (but it sure woudl be a good place for one wouldnt it??
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posted on Nov, 3 2006 @ 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by Becon of Light
I'll tell you what they are hiding.. it's chocolate.. the best chocolate makers in the world are all held in a dungeon kitchen.. hidden deep in the vatican vaults.. deeper then their most precious libraries and archieves.. forced to make lil chocolate popes and chocolate rosary beads till the day they die as punishment for making easter candies!!

Oh yea.. and that huge collection of porn they are said to be keeping locked up? they made all that porn themselves.. and no this isnt just some shameless priest/boy sex joke (but it sure woudl be a good place for one wouldnt it??
)


This is the funniest thing i think i've ever heard, i have to say you completely made my day, thank you.

WAY ABOVE!!!!



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 10:35 AM
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I belive the main reason why the Vatican dose not share its info it the same reason thats has been driving the Catholic Church since its start and that is, control. All through out time the Church has been trying to control people. For example, look at the Bible in the Middle Ages. Guess, what language it was in? Latin. And at that time who were the only people who could read Latin? The Catholic Preisthood. I belive thats why the Church got so upset when the Bible was translated into English and other languages. They had losy their stranglehold on the information. Let me ask this, which is better for Church power, to have a person read the Bible for themselfs and make their own decisons about their faith or to be spoon fed pre-approved doctrine from a preist? So there you have it, the root of the Catholic Chruchs information hoarding is control.



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 11:20 AM
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This last post is absurd.

1) It presumes universal literacy throughout all time.
2) It presumes the printing press has been around forever.

It is clear the person is not Catholic, so why does he/she care if the language used is Latin, Greek (as it once was), or Chinese?

I don't know (I'm not fluent) Latin, but I know what is being done/said by studying a parallel transcript in English, and based on my knowledge of certain obvious (and not so obvious) cognates, for example:

spiritu = "spirit" (duh)
invisibilium = "invisible" (duh)
lavabo = "clean" ala lavatory
dominus/domine = "lord"
virgini = "virgin"

PS - Catholic Masses are said in the vernacular. There are very few churches which offer the Mass in Latin, and as such people choose to go to Latin Masses, rather than have them foisted upon themselves.



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by student of the light
Let me ask this, which is better for Church power, to have a person read the Bible for themselfs and make their own decisons about their faith or to be spoon fed pre-approved doctrine from a preist?


You are absolutely right about this. However, you make it seem as if only the Catholic church has done this.. The Protestants are just as guilty. Ask a Protestant whether he/she thinks you should take the pastors word on the gospel or if you should read it and decide for yourself what it means. See what they tell you.



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 12:18 PM
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Agreed, SpeakerOfTruth.

Protestant pastors are in effect, "mini-popes". They would no doubt disagree that their authority/doctrine is strictly from the Bible, yet how many make the same claim and yet do not agree with each other or recognize each other as being correct?

I would argue that a pastor of a congregation of several hundred worshippers has more day-to-day "control" over the lives of his flock than does one man over 1billion+ believers in Catholicism.



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 12:22 PM
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Zhenghyi,I would too. Furthermore, part of the problem with Christianity is the schisms that came with Luther,Calvin and others. Luther,at least in my opinion, had the right idea in terms of people not having to go to a priest in order to be heard by God. However, other than that, the schism was really irrelevant. All it did was transfer one "all knowing father" for another. It still states that if people are not orthodox, then they must be wrong.


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posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 02:09 PM
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i have to agree with speaker, all organised faiths have at one time or another tried to control the flow of information to maintain it's hold over the flock.

i have known catholics who will tell you out right that they are told by their priest not to even bother trying to read the bible, being told that "You wont understand it, it will only confuse you and lead you to question your faith". and futher being told that anything they want to know should be directed to their priest.

Now this is not me lashing out or singling out the catholics, the other christian faiths have been just as guilty of it at various times within their history. Every group from the protestants to the mormons.. you could fill a library with books on mormon abuses of power and the flow of information.

But there is a new trend in the age of information, truths are comming out, people are educating themselves and the church leaders are recognizing this, and they working less to make people belive, instead working to tend to the spiritual needs of those who want to belive.. and i think that is a step in the right direction



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 02:20 PM
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I've come across those that claim the Vatican obtained the secret library of Alexandria Egypt where all the known occult secrets of the world and ancient Atlantis were kept. Of course the library was said to be destroyed but nobody can reliably say how much information was spirited out.

I doubt that Napoleon got everything from the Vatican when he ransacked it too, since there is said to be many hidden chambers below the Vatican city.

Then there is the secret Templar/Cathar documents which were believed to come from the temple mount in Jerusalem which the vatican may have or know of its contents.

But the real biggie if it exists is the secret library under the paw of the Egyptian Sphinx which I don't know who has control over this if it does exist as rumoured.



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth

Originally posted by student of the light
Let me ask this, which is better for Church power, to have a person read the Bible for themselfs and make their own decisons about their faith or to be spoon fed pre-approved doctrine from a preist?


You are absolutely right about this. However, you make it seem as if only the Catholic church has done this.. The Protestants are just as guilty. Ask a Protestant whether he/she thinks you should take the pastors word on the gospel or if you should read it and decide for yourself what it means. See what they tell you.


I know and I am sorry for my little rant. To answer the person who questioned my last post:

No I am not a Catholic and yes it dose matter what language was used. It is true that Masses that are given in other languages today, but they where not for 1,040 odd years. So what that means for that period of time, the biggest Church secret was the content of the Bible itself. The Church would put on Bibical Plays to teach the lay people Bible Storys but did not jump into specific issues of Church Dogma. For example, Matthew 16:18 "And I say to you: That you are Peter; and upon this rock I will bulid my church, and the gates of hell prevail against it." This passage is used to legitimize the succesion of the Papacy from Peter. But can someone please point out where it says that the Bishop of Rome is the leader of the Catholic Church?



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 03:22 PM
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Denythestatus,I would think,unfortunately, that the books at Alexandria probably perished in the fire. However, if,by some chance, someone was able to rescue some of the books, they have probably been confiscated by the "church."

As far as the library under the sphinx, I have yet to see any proof of it or any real attempt to find it. I think there is a possibility they have found it because you do know that they are building a twenty foot wall around Giza and limited tourists' exploration, don't you? However, nothing has been confirmed about what is so important that they have felt a need to build this wall.



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 03:24 PM
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Here is a link about the wall being built around Giza...


Wall of Giza

Also, here is an update:

Why the walls?

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posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by solidshot
wasn't da vinci branded a heratic or something in his lifetime? i believe some of his works may have disproved some of the preachings of the church hence they were buried within the vaults


Jesus was labeled a heratic and of the devil as well. Here he was trying to deliver us from religion and set us free, but noooooo...we wanted the narrow difficult path. Jesus was the broad path not the narrow path.

As for the apologists of the vatican that snicker at conspiracy theories..i think it makes them feel a little better about the world that surrounds them. The apologists wouldnt know what to do if it were true the Vatican was a big Luciferian Lodge that really had immense power and influence over the world and its affairs



posted on Nov, 7 2006 @ 06:42 AM
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The "show me where in the Bible" mentality is referred to as Sola Scriptura, and is rejected by Catholics. To some, that is tantamount to denying God. Oddly enough, the Bible itself does not teach it, and one can further argue about the many divisions in Christianity, yet how many believe in the "Bible Alone"?

Take the following passage: "I never said you stole the money". Now, based on how you read/emphasize this one, single passage, you can come up with several meanings. One could emphasize "I", "said", "you", "stole", or "money" and you have four different meanings. Now expand this to a collection of writings!

Rome is considered the See of Peter because it was the site of his martyrdom. True, he founded other Sees, but Rome was his final See, and really at the time the most important of the day, and for some time after the time of Christ and His apostles. It is additionally the site of the martyrdom of Paul - no other site in the world can make such a claim.

The Catholic Church further makes the claim of the See of Rome based on the writings of early Christian fathers circa the 2nd and 3rd century.

I suppose if Christ lived today, Washington D.C. might be considered the most powerful/influential city in the world.



posted on Nov, 20 2006 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by corsig
In the "what is the most powerful group" thread I made the comment that I think the Vatican is one of them.

We all know that they have a huge underground bunker with miles of shelving holding one of a kind books and documents.

Will any of these see the light of day again?


I believe the writings are shared with all, but are also still being written by all. I think society/humanity/civilization as a collective are utilizing different mediums (methods of conveying information) to deliver what is contained, and being writtten on the scrolls and books you speak of.



Why don't they share what is in some of them?


Although they have the texts, it is the future who decides when the information is released, and furthermore it is not released via the texts they have, but rather the people in our time who wrote the words/messages.



Can it be something that debunks the churches message?


no. in fact the exact opposite. it makes religions undeniable. in other words, after one is to read them, you no longer have free choice in whether or not to believe in GOD, you must know there is one.

this is what i believe, anyways.

www.abovetopsecret.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink">www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Nov, 20 2006 @ 06:45 PM
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Vatikan is hiding these guys
www.freewebs.com...
It seems that these guys.... ARE NOT FROM HERE.

It's a 33rd degree Zion Freemason Lodge, which is highest in a world at the moment...
Their organization on highest level is S.A.A.L.M. or Secret Annunaki Assembly of Lord Marduk. Who reads Sitchin and 12th Planet is familliar with Marduk.
Direct responsibles for NWO Government are two guys among others, Henry Kissinger and Zbignev Bzezinski...

It seems that as they say 22.12.2012. is the opening of NWO Government which till then have a task of minimizing human civilization for a 2 billion.

How they are trying to do that?

The guy who is talking all this and knows much more is former MI6 agent James Casbolt who is beeing tracked ever since he found about sensitive information and decided to share them with world.
Now, HE IS ON THE RUN...
And reportin evreything what is happening to him on his site allready 6 month.
www.jamescasbolt.com...

Info i got from truthseeker
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk...

One thing is true, the only GOD in who I'm beliving is in this 23rd Psalm, that's US, we.
The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not be in want.
He guides me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death
I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.
Surely goodness and love will follow me all the days of my life,
and I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever.

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[edit on 20-11-2006 by Triad979]



posted on Nov, 20 2006 @ 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by Triad979
Vatikan is hiding these guys
www.freewebs.com...
It seems that these guys.... ARE NOT FROM HERE.

It's a 33rd degree Zion Freemason Lodge, which is highest in a world at the moment...
Their organization on highest level is S.A.A.L.M. or Secret Annunaki Assembly of Lord Marduk. Who reads Sitchin and 12th Planet is familliar with Marduk.
Direct responsibles for NWO Government are two guys among others, Henry Kissinger and Zbignev Bzezinski...

It seems that as they say 22.12.2012. is the opening of NWO Government which till then have a task of minimizing human civilization for a 2 billion.

How they are trying to do that?



The problem that I have with this is the Catholic church is very anti-Masonic. I seriously doubt they would concede in hiding out a couple of the Lodge's members.

Secondly, the photographs look kind of funny to me. The pictures do not really show anything that cannot be accomplished in photoshop.

Thirdly, Dec 21, 2012 is a date to look forward to,not one to fear. One of the things that bother me about many of the conspiracy theorists is that there is a lot of fear mongering and misinformation amongst them. 2012 will be the year of ascension,not descension,contrary to what many are proclaiming.



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