John Lear. Genuine?, page 1
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reply posted on 23-8-2006 @ 11:57 AM by yeahright
Originally posted by thesneakiod
Since john lear has his own thread which we are not aloud to question his extraordinaryclaims for fear of being warned or banned.


Really? I think he's been extremely accomodating. He should be treated with the same respect as any other member per the T&C. You should have no fear of a warning or banning as long as you keep civil.

Originally posted by thesneakiod
I would like to hear what other ATS members think about this man.


Although I think he'd be a great guy to sit and talk to for an evening, discussing him personally in a thread is probably not a good idea. I predict drama.

Originally posted by thesneakiod
While his reputation is in no doubt regarding his air force career, is what he is saying really true? Is this just another person who gives us amazing stories of the goings on in the solar system, but never actually delivers any proof?


He's said repeatedly he has no proof. My interest is because he's been close to a number of people, like Bob Lazar, that are close to this topic. He's also been a pilot for the CIA. Now maybe that doesn't have much relevance, but he's been closer to the CIA than anyone I know personally(as far as I know), so has probably had opportunities to obtain information that I'd never have through those contacts, even if they're casual/social.

So, I want to know what he has to say. And he readily admits changing his opinion as new information presents itself. Which is a good thing. To me.

I don't have to agree with all (or any) of what someone says to be interested in hearing it.


reply posted on 23-8-2006 @ 01:42 PM by Dock6
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People are desperate for heroes.

They believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny and Superman and Batman etc. when they're kids.

People want to believe their mother and/or father and/or grandfathers, elder brothers, school-teachers, sports-stars, etc. are heroes.

People want a LEADER - a WISE-man .... a GROWN up ... a BIG person: someone who always KNOWS, is always RIGHT, is STRONG, is BRAVE, is UnAFRAID, is INVINCIBLE, has ALL the ANSWERS ------- someone who can LEAD and PROTECT and MAKE it ALL COME OUT OK at the END.

A person doesn't actually have to BE herioc or terribly well INFORMED, in order to be REGARDED as a hero however.

Nope ------ what he needs is a certain amount of charisma, confidence and an outrageous angle or two. Many such people are successful con-men, entrepreneurs, politicians, celebrities. These are the people who manage to sell the Brooklyn Bridge ------ and 'diet' pills --- and 'cancer cures' --- and miraculous breast and penis enlarging equipment.

People WANT to believe. People SELL THEMSELVES on these outlandish claims.

Icke states flatly that shape-shifting reptillians inhabit Buckingham Palace ---- and people abandon common sense in order to believe his claims.

If Icke had been less confident, less emphatic, less colourful (or if he were your brother or next door neighbour) --- he would have been dismissed very swiftly. But Icke possesses a certain charisma --- he's FAMOUS, a CELEBRITY ! He travels the world, stays at prestigious hotels, signs autographs, writes books. So people WANT to believe him, no matter how nonsensical his claims.

Lear is in the same category. He's more accomplished and intelligent than the average sheepie. He's led a colourful, glamorous life, compared with most. He's a known 'name'. So people want to hero-worship him and exempt him from the scepticism and scrutiny accorded other posters in the forums.

People want a guru and Lear is flavour of the month.

Personally, I find Lear to be exceedingly interesting and personable, if such can be deduced from a person's written 'conversational style'.

However, he has a grandchild, about whom he speaks with warmth and concern.

Don't know about the rest of you, but if I were an accomplished, intelligent individual who'd been on the fringes of the 'UFO' fraternity for as many years as has Lear --- and IF I had become aware that a 'soul catcher' existed on the moon for the purpose of 'processing souls' -------- then I would NOT have had ANY children, thus no grandchildren either. For me, it would have been a very definite case of the-buck-stops-here. If I TRULY believed or even HALF believed there existed a carnivorous type soul-catcher on the moon, I would have determined that although it might take me, I'd make sure I didn't produce any children for it to consume.

Another long-time poster in these forums (to whom Lear defered numerous times) claims to be a confidante of alien entities whose agendas, beliefs and attitudes he repeated here in the forums. And those aliens who supposedly 'process' human souls on the moon are clearly NOT enlightened or 'advanced'. In fact, they sound very similar to posters in these forums.

Ok. Let's try knit this together. Supposedly, alien entities (call them whatever you prefer) are harvesting human souls in a contraption on the moon and are JUDGING those souls via very unenlightened criteria, as in 'people who commit suicide are 'wrong' as are murderers and other bad-guys, etc.'. They're unswayed by extenuating circumstance, apparently.

Well, if this is true, it's so abysmally mundane you have a choice between laughing and weeping, depending on your disposition. Because these alleged soul-harvesters clearly have an intelligence level bordering on 90 and seem to have been bypassed by even the most basic understanding of psychology, genetics and most else, apart from Dark Ages philosophies.

So .... sorry. Much as it would be reassuring to discover a guru-leader with even half the answers, for me, Lear isn't 'it' ; personable and enjoyable though he is to listen to.

I'd be more interested in learning from Lear how he intends to prepare his grandson for the future processing of the boy's soul by the semi-idiots who're allegedly based on the moon.

What will Lear tell his grandson, with regard to death? Will he tell him about the soul-catcher? Will he tell his grandson there's no escape from this vale of tears: that he'll be processed and returned, over and over, like a battery chicken?

Will Lear tell his grandson that there IS no loving-god, that Sunday School is a waste of time? Will he explain to his grandson that if he is slammed by a golf-ball sometime in the future, and if that injury causes him to become violent or depressed to the point he takes his own or someone else's life, then the soul-catchers will judge him as 'bad' and toss him into an even worse hell? Will Lear tell his grandson that the mentally deficient man in the street will be judged as 'evil' by the soul-harvesters because he exposes himself to passers-by?

Will Lear APOLOGISE to his grandson for being responsible for putting him on the planet and therefore doomed to be processed by the soul-harvesters?

And WHY would Lear curtail his discussions in the forums in order to collect his grandson from school, when really -- if the soul-catcher theory is true -- what does it MATTER if the boy is collected from school or even if he ATTENDS school? According to the soul-catcher theory, we're just meat on the hoof, awaiting slaughter and processing.

Yes, I'd like a hero. We're ripe for it -- now as always. And heroes have always been manufactured to suit the times, haven't they; Napoleon, Churchill, Geronimo, Che, Castro, Brad Pitt, Bill Gates, on and on.

Wouldn't it be better to be your OWN hero? But to do that, you need to think for yourself, do your own research, grow your own courage, trust yourself --- right? Or, in short, it requires one to grow up and stop looking for someone to do your thinking and fighting for you. Mmmmm.
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