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posted on Aug, 23 2006 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Wow NICE insults... you should be warned by a moderator.


You don't have a problem throwing around statements which, however silly, are still quite insulting towards certain people who worked hard to gain and apply highly sophisticated knowledge about workings of the Universe.


And as far as I'm concerned, my computer runs on electricity, pioneered by Benjamin Franklin.


That just demonstrates your level of understanding of the processes inside your computer. You see, it's not the same as your toaster or hairdryer. In case you still wonder, computer is based on semiconductors, and the development of the latter is a result of achievements in quantum mechanics. I don't care about what percentage of Quantum Mechanics can be credited to Einstein, but it's not negligible. Ultimately, it's not about Einstein but about real scientists vs a bunch of charlatans.


That AC current travels long distances because Nikola Tesla invented AC current and figured that out.


Really?

en.wikipedia.org... :



High voltage DC (HVDC) is used to transmit large amounts of power over long distances



Yeah Einstein HELPED create a refrigerator, wow!


He helped invent a lot of things that surround us today by his work in science. In addition, however humble, his really cool refrigerator design works, whereas the free energy devices don't, so keep the sarcasm.


But Tesla on the other hand, he invented things way beyond the scope of what was ever considered possible, things that are TOP SECRET, CLASSIFIED INFORMATION, HELD BY THE US GOVERNMENT.


I somehow doubt that you have free access to the top secret government vaults where these awesome secrets are hidden from public, therefore I assume your statement is a pure speculation and as such cannot be seriously considered.



But to think he knew everything about this physical universe is absurd.


Nobody said that.


[edit on 23-8-2006 by Aelita]




posted on Aug, 23 2006 @ 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by Bez
If anyone is interested here is the link to the company in Dublin who have created the free energy device: www.steorn.net...

You can register to be informed what the scientific findings are, there are also interesting statistics on how many scientists have responded to the Economist advertisement


Bez,
Thanks for that link. The statistics are interesting on the numbers of people asking for information.


Bez

posted on Aug, 23 2006 @ 07:20 PM
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You're quite welcome RedGolem


One good thing about those figures is that a percentage of those that make up the numbers probably would not necessarily have even heard of such a device had it not been for the advertisement in the Economist. Stoern have probably introduced new people to the free engergy concept if nothing else!



posted on Aug, 23 2006 @ 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by Bez
You're quite welcome RedGolem


One good thing about those figures is that a percentage of those that make up the numbers probably would not necessarily have even heard of such a device had it not been for the advertisement in the Economist. Stoern have probably introduced new people to the free engergy concept if nothing else!


That is a good point Bez. I thought it was a little strange that the advertisment was placed in the Economist. The reason was to reach a broader percenage of the population, but yes at the same time this might turn more pople on to the idea, and possible even better the possibility of the supresed technology.



posted on Aug, 23 2006 @ 07:43 PM
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Well, running an ad in the Economist could work in terms of attracting venture capital from a not-so-sophisticated incubator firm. There is a lot of money to be harvested


Which doesn't add a single Joule of energy to their apparatus... But adds some to the pockets of those dudes on the glam shots found on the website...



posted on Aug, 23 2006 @ 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by LAES YVAN
So.. to make you bite your words, here is a REAL permanent magnet motor, that is perpetual motion. I have seen a live demo of this machine, and guarantee it works.

Eat that... Kaku lover.


Motor stalls out on video and funny how you've seen a live demo when only company employees have. That and you don't know the difference between a permanent magnet motor and an electromagnetic one.

Thieves that have been stalling and making excuses for years.
Perendev Power -peswiki


Perendev:300kW Magnet Motor for Sale
PERENDEV’S MANAGEMENT (MAINLY MIKE BRADY) HAVE NEVER ACHIEVED ANY DEADLINES THEY HAVE SET IN THE PAST AS FAR AS WE KNOW, BUT ARE CONTINUALLY TALKING AHEAD OF THEMSELVES.

We think they, especially Mike Brady, genuinely believe they will have product ready by July/Aug. 2006, but for the four years that we have known them, we have seen this pattern repeated. Such and such is going to happen by such and such a date. It never has.

WE DO NOT ADVISE MAKING A DEPOSIT WITH EXPECTATION OF DELIVERY OF PRODUCT.

NOT A PERMANENT MAGNET MOTOR, BUT AN ELECTROMAGNETIC SYSTEM

The 300 kW system turns out to not be a permanent magnet motor, but is an electromagnetic motor system, and is scheduled for debut in May, 2006.


Hard lessons the best lesson for hard gullible heads: I suggest you send them your money and tell us all about it, when you actually get one. It would pay for itself in about a couple months selling back electricty at $0.04/kwh.

The reality is: You should work on why you are attracted to conartists and ripoff scams and in turn have choosen to lie for thieves. Resorting to juvenile name calling and insults when called on your foolish lieing nonsense, shows me you have little to offer but factless egomania.

[edit on 23-8-2006 by Regenmacher]



posted on Aug, 23 2006 @ 08:07 PM
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Aelita

Serious, do your research a little better.. I suggest reading the "Death and Afterwords" section.
en.wikipedia.org...


Immediately after Tesla's death became known, the Federal Bureau of Investigation instructed the Office of Alien Property to take possession of his papers and property, despite his US citizenship. His safe at the hotel was also opened. At the time of his death, Tesla had been continuing work on the teleforce weapon, or death ray, that he had unsuccessfully marketed to the US War Department. It appears that his proposed death ray was related to his research into ball lightning and plasma and was composed of a particle beam weapon. The US government did not find a prototype of the device in the safe. After the FBI was contacted by the War Department, his papers were declared to be top secret. The so-called "peace ray" constitutes a part of some conspiracy theories as a means of destruction. The personal effects were seized on the advice of presidential advisers, and J. Edgar Hoover declared the case "most secret", because of the nature of Tesla's inventions and patents.


It's funny, Tesla most likely helped invent the THEL (Tactical High Energy Laser), the most sophisticated weapon in the world.



posted on Aug, 23 2006 @ 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by Regenmacher
The Seven Warning Signs of Bogus Science chronicle.com


I think that this is a very good article and that everyone can learn a thing or two from it, but as I got to the last two, I couldn't help but wonder about this Russian mathematician and a little thing called quantum mechanics.


6. The discoverer has worked in isolation. The image of a lone genius who struggles in secrecy in an attic laboratory and ends up making a revolutionary breakthrough is a staple of Hollywood's science-fiction films, but it is hard to find examples in real life. Scientific breakthroughs nowadays are almost always syntheses of the work of many scientists.

chronicle.com...




ST. PETERSBURG A reclusive Russian who was honored with the mathematical world's highest award for solving a problem that has stumped some of the discipline's greatest minds for a century has rejected the award.

The mathematician, Grigory Perelman, refused to accept the prestigious Fields Medal and said Tuesday that he would explain himself "in several months."

"I will not tell you anything; I refuse to give interviews," Perelman said by telephone from an apartment in St. Petersburg that he reportedly shares with his mother just outside the city. "I will not even tell you why I'm refusing to speak about the prize. Call me in several months."

www.iht.com...



7. The discoverer must propose new laws of nature to explain an observation. A new law of nature, invoked to explain some extraordinary result, must not conflict with what is already known. If we must change existing laws of nature or propose new laws to account for an observation, it is almost certainly wrong.

www.iht.com...


Now, tell me if I'm wrong, but didn't the laws of physics have to be changed to explain the behavior of subatomic particles and haven't those laws been proven time and again to be valid?


Quantum mechanics is a more fundamental theory than Newtonian mechanics and classical electromagnetism, in the sense that it provides accurate and precise descriptions for many phenomena that these "classical" theories simply cannot explain on the atomic and subatomic level. It is necessary to use quantum mechanics to understand the behavior of systems at atomic length scales and smaller. For example, if Newtonian mechanics governed the workings of an atom, electrons would rapidly travel towards and collide with the nucleus. However, in the natural world the electron normally remains in a stable orbit around a nucleus -- seemingly defying classical electromagnetism.

Quantum mechanics was initially developed to explain the atom, especially the spectra of light emitted by different atomic species. The quantum theory of the atom developed as an explanation for the electron's staying in its orbital, which could not be explained by Newton's laws of motion and by classical electromagnetism.

en.wikipedia.org...


Don't get me wrong. I think that Professor Parks' admonitions are valid and valuable, but sooner or later mankind is going to confront something again that modern science cannot explain and we will again be forced back to the drawing board, so to speak.





[edit on 2006/8/23 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on Aug, 23 2006 @ 08:11 PM
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Um, no.

A particle beam weapon, if such it was, is not a laser. THEL is a laser.

Most likely there's no relation.

Also, we're back to Einstein...the basic laser concepts stem from uncle Al's discovery of the photoelectric effect. So, it would be more appropriate to say that Einstein had something to do with THEL than Tesla.

ps. Good Lord, why do you think it's the most sophisticated weapon in the world? Grant you, it's bulky and has a lot of parts. I certainly wouldn't think of it as the most sophisticated though.

[edit on 23-8-2006 by Tom Bedlam]



posted on Aug, 23 2006 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by Regenmacher
Motor stalls out on video and funny how you've seen a live demo when only company employees have.


The motor doesn't stall out. It doesn't stop until he pulls away the stator.
Only companies and employees have seen the SECOND prototype. I have seen the first prototype, or a replication of it, which fully works. Mike Brady himself has said, the reason he hasn't done publicized live demos, is because his life has been threatened MANY times by the government. Hence the reason earlier in this thread I was talking about giving out designs for free, so people wont get killed. Mike Brady has done that, but is still being threatened.


Originally posted by Regenmacher
That and you don't know the difference between a permanent magnet motor and an electromagnetic one.

What are you talking about?? The device in question is nothing but permanent magnets. I said nothing about electromagnetic motors. The website you posted that says it is an electromagnet is WRONG, this is an all permanent magnet motor. Your website is disinformation. On top of that it is on a wiki, which can be edited by anyone. Nothing on the your source is confirmed or stated anywhere else.


Originally posted by Regenmacher
Hard lessons the best lesson for hard gullible heads: I suggest you send them your money and tell us all about it, when you actually get one. It would pay for itself in about a couple months selling back electricty at $0.04/kwh.


I don't need to send them my money, I can make my own. BTW If I wanted I could build a couple of these and power my house. Also, what is "electricty", I'm sure you mean "electricity".



Originally posted by Regenmacher
The reality is: You should work on why you are attracted to conartists and ripoff scams and in turn have choosen to lie for thieves.


Attracted to con artists? Many people have successfully built the magnet motor. This, is not a ripoff. Look at your own reference you gave me:
www.perendev.com...
Read right under the "Replications" section. This is a proven design.


Originally posted by Regenmacher
Resorting to juvenile name calling and insults when called on your foolish lieing nonsense, shows me you have little to offer but factless egomania.


Juvenile name calling??? Please find one instance where I called somone a name. I didn't call ANYONE a name. Also, please show me one instance of me "lieing" (btw is "lying"). You can't because I never lied, and I never called anyone a name. Oh and "factless" is not a word.

Before you try and make yourself look anything close to intelligent, you should try telling the truth, and getting your facts straight, then learn to spell.



[edit on 23-8-2006 by LAES YVAN]



posted on Aug, 23 2006 @ 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by Tom Bedlam
Um, no.
A particle beam weapon, if such it was, is not a laser. THEL is a laser.
Most likely there's no relation.


The THEL is a direct-energy device which uses chemical particles as its main source of energy. Technically it is a particle beam.


Originally posted by Tom Bedlam
Also, we're back to Einstein...the basic laser concepts stem from uncle Al's discovery of the photoelectric effect. So, it would be more appropriate to say that Einstein had something to do with THEL than Tesla.


Once again Einstein takes credit for someone else's work. The photoelectric effect was created by Philipp Lenard and his cathode ray. Einstein only explained the photoelectric effect with mathematics. Then, Robert Andrews was the first to experimentally prove Einsteins math, which is based on Philipp Lenards design.

en.wikipedia.org...


Originally posted by Tom Bedlam
ps. Good Lord, why do you think it's the most sophisticated weapon in the world? Grant you, it's bulky and has a lot of parts. I certainly wouldn't think of it as the most sophisticated though.


Because it is a weapon that can attack at the speed of light. A laser was once only thought of in science fiction. A chemical laser such as THEL, is also a great tool for manufacturing products, allowing for precise cutting and molding.



posted on Aug, 23 2006 @ 09:34 PM
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BTW Have you ever herd of a S.M.O.T. ? Simple Magnetic Over-unity Tool/Toy You can use this principal to make a perpetual motion device, or free energy.



posted on Aug, 23 2006 @ 09:35 PM
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The THEL is a direct-energy device which uses chemical particles as its main source of energy. Technically it is a particle beam.


No, no, it isn't at all. A rifle uses a chemical reaction to propel a lead slug. That doesn't make it a particle beam either.

Lasers are not particle beams. Particle beams emit particles with rest mass. Like neutrons, protons, electrons or a mix of them to form a neutral beam. Lasers emit photons. Totally different. No matter how much you squirm here, you won't be able to make Tesla's daydream into a laser.




Once again Einstein takes credit for someone else's work. The photoelectric effect was created by Philipp Lenard and his cathode ray. Einstein only explained the photoelectric effect with mathematics.


Explaining it as a quantum effect and figuring out the mathematics of population inversion are what makes lasers possible. It's not like you're likely to just tinker one together.


Because it is a weapon that can attack at the speed of light. A laser was once only thought of in science fiction. A chemical laser such as THEL, is also a great tool for manufacturing products, allowing for precise cutting and molding.


A weapon that can attack at the speed of light doesn't make it the world's most sophisticated weapon.

They don't use chemical lasers like THEL in manufacturing, either. They usually use CO2 lasers. THEL is a freaking nightmare. It has to be, to provide the energy density you need to deflagrate explosives in the air at a distance. It also has to be in order to not kill the operator. Then, too, some of the effluent is corrosive to glass and that's not great, so that's another reason to make it more complex. Most of THEL's complexity is in order to make it not produce profoundly toxic gases right where the operators are at, and to limit the immediate toxicity of the reactants if the tanks take a hole. You could hold your breath and run like a bandit if the supply truck gets hit, you won't die but you don't want to breathe it for long either.


[edit on 23-8-2006 by Tom Bedlam]



posted on Aug, 23 2006 @ 09:50 PM
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There has been a lot of talk about Nikola Tesla on this thred. And he is a man who deserves much more recongnition then he might be getting. So if any one would like to know more about him, or those of you who already respect him, hear are a few links that will give you a little more information.

video.google.com...

video.google.com...



posted on Aug, 23 2006 @ 10:37 PM
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Originally posted by RedGolem

video.google.com...



29 minutes and 40 seconds into the link above is pretty funny..

laesyvannavyseal

The whole video is quite revealing, and I'm supprized it was even released.


Aelita I would like you to watch 43:15 of the link above.

[edit on 23-8-2006 by LAES YVAN]



posted on Aug, 23 2006 @ 11:18 PM
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Originally posted by LAES YVAN
The website you posted that says it is an electromagnet is WRONG, this is an all permanent magnet motor. Your website is disinformation. On top of that it is on a wiki, which can be edited by anyone. Nothing on the your source is confirmed or stated anywhere else.


Wikipedia survives research test
Peer reviewed sites are more accurate than what some luddite posts in a forum. The onus of proving the outrageous is on you and you have given no proof, and that does't mean spinning up more excuses. So take some initiative and edit the article to see how the wiki works, rather than crying over spilt milk.

Learn to look, before typing more nonsense. The topic is about cheap abundant energy, not motors. So are you going to talk about Chia pets and magic hamsters too?

Perendev to Launch 300 kW Self-Running Electromagnetic Generator in May
Weighing in at 350 to 400 kilograms (~880 pounds), depending on configuration, the electromagnetic motor has been on the drawing board for about two years, according to Brady.

Postponed to July 7 - World Soccer match cited as reason for delay.



Originally posted by LAES YVAN
I don't need to send them my money, I can make my own. BTW If I wanted I could build a couple of these and power my house.


Trouble is that you haven't made your own. This is probably due to being too busy making up stories and excuses. The burden of proof is on you to show us that your world is more than fictional jabberwocky. Same goes for Brady and Stoern.


Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Attracted to con artists? Many people have successfully built the magnet motor. This, is not a ripoff.


The con is in the free energy and no one has yet to claim net profits from such a device or submit to public scientific scrutiny. Another con is in saying corporations and millions of employees have no need for free energy and want to supress such things that can turn the planet into a better world.


Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Juvenile name calling??? Please find one instance where I called somone a name. I didn't call ANYONE a name. Also, please show me one instance of me "lieing" (btw is "lying"). You can't because I never lied, and I never called anyone a name. Oh and "factless" is not a word.


Juvenile name calling:"Eat that... Kaku lover"
LIE: "...here is a REAL permanent magnet motor, that is perpetual motion."

Can't comprehend the meaning of factless, then substitute it with feckless, and work on your punctuation before becoming Herr Heuchler: Grammar nazi -Wiki

I am done with your adolescent ego games that have little to do with the topic or commonsense, so I suggest you find some fictional entity to converse with. I am not interested in your self-adulation speeches, selectively playing dumb, derailing the topic, evading the obvious, or how you know better than 1000's of scientists who actually went the distance and did the homework.
__________________________


ATS: Frosty's Three Laws of Fraudulent Perpetual and Free-Energy Machines


Midweek Cuckoo: Steorn Ltd

Watch the story unfold:
www.steornwatch.com...

[edit on 24-8-2006 by Regenmacher]



posted on Aug, 24 2006 @ 12:40 AM
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I LOVE pathetic attempts. Since you are ignorant (have lack of knowledge) I will have to start from the beginning....

The definition of a "wiki" is:

a type of website that allows users to easily add, remove, or otherwise edit and change some available content, sometimes without the need for registration.



Originally posted by Regenmacher
Wikipedia survives research test


They mean WIKIPEDIA, this following website:
en.wikipedia.org...

They do not mean PESWIKI, the website I claim to have false information, that you provided:
peswiki.com...

Nice try though... but anyone with a web page and PHP capabilities can have their own wiki from these sites:
tikiwiki.org...
phpwiki.sourceforge.net...

Even then, I was incorrect about that PESWIKI, it turns out that Mike Brady has a newer model of this device that incorporates electromagnetism. But his older model was still run on all magnets only. Read the following paragraph CAREFULLY.
pesn.com...


Famous in the fringe world of free energy for his claim to a working all-magnet motor, complete with a video of the unit in operation, inventor Mike Brady and his company have now shifted over to an electromagnetic design.

Shifted over from what? His All-magnet motor, to his electromagnetic motor. I turns out that you and I have been debating about 2 different models. His first model that was all magnets didn't have speed control, and would gain so much speed, the forces involved would rip the device apart. Also it didn't have any means of making electricity, it was only perpetual motion proof of concept. So Mike Brady created an electromagnetic version that has a speed control, and actually creates electricity.



Originally posted by Regenmacher
Trouble is that you haven't made your own. This is probably due to being too busy making up stories and excuses. The burden of proof is on you to show us that your world is more than fictional jabberwocky. Same goes for Brady and Stoern.


Wow, buddy, you are clueless really. His design has been proven to work by many different people, from many different design types using the same principles. You are right, I haven't had time to make one, because I have been deployed in Iraq for the second time for 8 months each, with 2 month leave in between the two. And got home only 3 weeks ago.


Originally posted by Regenmacher
The con is in the free energy and no one has yet to claim net profits from such a device or submit to public scientific scrutiny.

They HAVE submit the design to public scientific scrutiny, that's why you have the designs all over the net. Problem is the scientists are to dumb to try it out for themselves, because they are close minded and convinced it is impossible. Just like you.. Also, trying to make any profit from it will get you killed, and you will get many threats to your life..

peswiki.com...:Suppression


Mike Brady: Perendev 300 kW Self-Running Electromagnetic Generator

It seems that the more one tries to find solution for alternative fuel the more problems one has to content with, for example I have received emails that state if I proceed with the show on the 7th July I will be killed, this at first was taken lightly, now it seems that I have vehicles parked outside my house watching me, when I record the registration numbers and have them checked they are unknown, why can we not just get on with what we are doing instead of the World just thinking of money, what good will money be when there is no world to spend it in.
Mike Brady





Originally posted by Regenmacher
I suppose we best add senility to your list of mental problems.
Juvenile name calling:"Eat that... Kaku lover"


That is not name calling, that is pointing out the obvious. You came to Kaku's defense out of the blue. It is apparent that you love the guy.



Originally posted by Regenmacher
LIE: "...here is a REAL permanent magnet motor, that is perpetual motion."


Seriously, this wasn't a lie, there is a perendev all magnetic motor, and there is also a perendev electromagnetically enhance all-magnet motor, both created by Mike Brady. 2 Different types. I admit, I was unaware of this electromagnetic model, because it has been a while since I have done research in this field, and it is obvious Mike Brady has made some modifications and improvements to his model, since the last time I read about him. I'm guessing this electromagnetic model was created so he can finally mass produce this device in Australia. There would be no point in mass producing an all-magnet perpetual motion device that does nothing but spin, unless it made electricity.



Originally posted by Regenmacher
I am done with your ego games that have little to do with the topic, so I suggest you find some fictional entity to converse with.


Very well then, I am tired of proving you wrong anyway. I will continue this conversation about free energy, and perpetual motion, with the rest of the members. I will also not miss your input one bit. Good day.


--edit-- one last note.

I was talking about Mike Bradys All-Magnet MOTOR. Since his new model of the motor now produces electricity, it is now called a electromagnetic GENERATOR. Maybe you need to learn the difference between a motor, and a generator.



[edit on 24-8-2006 by LAES YVAN]



posted on Aug, 24 2006 @ 03:24 AM
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OK guys personal insults directed at your fellow ATS members are not acceptable and are a complete breach of the T&C. Insults directed at Einstein or Tesla, while unnecessary, are not a breach of the T&C.

I've enjoyed this thread so lets not ruin it with the bickering please. I've alerted the staff to the drama going on in here.

[edit on 24/8/06 by subz]



posted on Aug, 24 2006 @ 05:40 AM
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Hear is some more information that is interesting to note.




Former US Patent Examiner Thomas Valone, fired for producing a conference in Washington DC on these new energy technologies, claims that there is a vault at the US Patent Office containing over 4,000 patents ordered secret by the government, confiscated from the inventors who are threatened with 20 years in jail if they release the information as per "dual-use" secrecy law uncovered under Freedom of Information Act and reprinted on p.162 of Jeane Manning's book "The Coming Energy Revolution" overviewing various new energy tech inventors. Isn't it about time we did something to take this situation under public investigation and control, especially motivated by the current Enron fiasco exemplifying the "ethics" of the fossil fuel industry and government complicity in "rigging" the energy industry?


So the government is supresing some four thousand patents. Unforchant indeed. Hopefully people reading these pages on the net will bring some of the technology out. However the question I must ask is who is calling the shots to keep all this hidden from the public?



posted on Aug, 24 2006 @ 06:06 AM
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How 'bout this:

A mirrored surface with coloured backing. Placed over a moving stream, with conductive reactive surfaces attached to opposing sides.

The excitation of moving ions (flowing water) should cause a noticeable flux within the aboved completed circuit.

I shall call it: Inductive-Reactance, Flowing-ebb.




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