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United Nuclear's Hydrogen Fuel System

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posted on Aug, 21 2006 @ 02:15 AM
I couldnt find a thread about this fuel system and its details on ATS so here goes.

The company United Nuclear, which is owned by Bob Lazar, has created a hydrogen combustion fuel system kit that can be used in gasoline vehicles or any gasoline engine if built manually.

Part of the system is a hydrogen generator that seperates the hydrogen from the oxygen in water. Solar panels can be used to run the generator (any power source can be used) but the generator requires 400 watts. With the solar panels or a wind turbine electric generator, its nearly free fuel.

The hydrogen is stored as a solid by bonding the hydrogen with metal hydride which is stored in their Smart Tank. Aparently they fired an incendiary bullet into the tank and instead of exploding, it only smoldered like a cigarette. The hydrogen is released when electric coils heat up the tank. The coils are controled by a temperature sensor in the tank.

An engine controller and a datalink interface are also required. These control the fuel injection. The system will still allow the vehicle to use gasoline and will seamlessly switch to gasoline if the hydrogen runs out.

Here are the downsides.

As an example, it takes over 2 days of our generator running at full power, 24 hours a day, to fill our smallest "short range" tank.

So basically it will take 4 days to fill 4 of their smallest tanks. Now thats if its running 24 hours a day. Solar panels arent even going to do half that in the winter which is funny because the photo showing their 5 acre testing facility was taken during the winter when everything is covered in snow. They should realy work on that generator.

The entrance to our ~very~ remote, 5 acre testing facility,
located high up in the Sandia Mountains of New Mexico.

Ive figured that the tank could still possibly explode if it released too much gas by overheating due to malfunction or fire. This is still most likely safer than gasoline because in a crash, the tank would not explode.

In all, its a great alternative to paying for gasoline all the time even though it costs $7,000 - $10,000.

Damn that took a long time

[edit on 21-8-2006 by GlassRunner]

posted on Aug, 21 2006 @ 03:05 PM
Kinda makes you wonder about lazar. Where did he get the ideas for developing this technology? Perhaps he got some of the know how from his time at Area 51, or perhaps he was bribed by the powers that be with it, in exchange to shut up about Area 51?

Who knows. the world is a strange place, especially in the American southwest.

posted on Aug, 23 2006 @ 03:13 AM
The hydrogen combustion system isnt realy all that high tech. Im assuming having hydrogen bond with metal hydride is old news.

I was doing some thinking, the generator sucks. I figured out that if it takes 2 days for the generator, running 24 hours a day, to fill one of their smaller tanks, then it will take at least 4 days to fill the tank using solar panels. 4 tanks are required to run the vehicle so that will take 16 days. More than 2 weeks! The mileage on a car is between 350 and 400 miles for 4 tanks, which is good. The problem is that youll only be saving about 50 to 80 bucks every 2 weeks. Devide the top cost of the system, which is $10,000 , and it will take you 150-170 refills for it to pay for itself. THAT WILL TAKE 6 FRICKIN YEARS! Maybe im wrong on the math but by that time the system will most certainly, NOT WORK.

Another problem is that by removing the hydrogen from water, your left with liquid oxygen, or gas, right? From what I have read and have seen on footage, liquid oxygen burns extremely hot. Hot enough to melt through steel if poured upon.

Also, according to them, gasoline and diesel act as a lubricant. The hydrogen gas does not lubricate. It seems what is better for the earth is very very bad for your engine!

So the system is basically not worth using at the moment. But the system has potential. I forgot one thing, the system isnt for sale yet. Sorry

Im supprised this thread has so few replies, oh wait it only has 2! But I assume its because there isnt much to discuss. I should be handed a vast amount of points for the vastly time consuming work that I have put forth on this thread! HAHAHA JUST KIDDING! I dont give 2 (insert derogatory synonym for feces) about points.

[edit on 23-8-2006 by GlassRunner]

posted on Jul, 31 2008 @ 07:06 PM
The hydrogen fuel generation system is the key, agreed. I've been watching in anticipation since the 70's and having a degree in engineering with concentration in energy conversion, I think I know a bit about alternate energy. Solar conversion to electricity is another key to the system. In areas where cheap electrical power (hydro) is available, this could be a good starting point to show viability of home grown power. We all need to begin thinking about a plan B for fuel. It's not about energy, it's about portable fuels. There are other high efficiency hydrolysis devices optimizing hydrogen generation. Capturing BOTH hydrogen and oxygen will be good since the hydrolysis devices can reverse and act as generators. Kind of like motor vs. generator. The nice thing about solar and wind sources are that you collect energy 24/7. You use energy only part of that time. The key is knowing your energy needs and using home grown energy to subsidize your paying for energy. If the situation get nasty and we get rationed, the home grown guys will become brokers. The new hydrogen economy may be the next frontier for local grown businesses.
True, it's still early, but the train has left the station. Be on board or watch it go by.

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posted on Aug, 1 2008 @ 12:04 PM

Originally posted by GlassRunner
So the system is basically not worth using at the moment.

We also have to think about the environmental aspect of this system. You are not polluting earth, and supporting the oil cartel. Lazar has been running his corvette since the 1970's, and it seems to work fine for him.

Lazar talked about the details here with art bell.

[edit on 1-8-2008 by Freezer]

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