posted on Aug, 25 2006 @ 12:23 PM
Greetings explorers of Reality, Consciousness and the very small world of the Quantum Realm, maybe that is a better description for this subject the
quantum Realm, its encapsulates both the Science bit and also the consciousness bit too.
Lazurus The Long thanks for your posts most informative and all others too.
Just one thing to point out Lazarus this is not the Evil elf, but the Mischievous one, a very different flavour or species indeed lol.
To all other posters and Dgtempe the Author thank you for stretching and opening up my awareness of this subject with your points of view, knowledge,
experience and input to this thread. I find this subject and have for a long time very fascinating and feel it truly is where the true developments in
society, science and individuals will come from in the next 20 – 50 years.
The potential is huge for this subject, both from a very scientific understanding of the forces of nature and how the universe is truly made and
operates and also for reconciling or building bridges between native cultures wisdom, religion and understanding and modern societies understanding.
If a synthesis can me made between the two taking just the testable and provable and GOOD from both camps it can only help the development and
ultimately evolve Humankinds awareness and participation and positive influence in and on the world or universe around us.
However having said that and trying to keep this thread as asked by Mods not a slinging match I find I cannot Help myself from being a bit tongue in
cheek in some of the following, nothing is personal but sometimes as when a hysterical person is in psychosis and closed of to the truth and reality
around them, a distraction sometimes works where reasoning does not.
Therefore the following is not a slap in the face of anyone, just a gentle shove towards the truth. I CANNOT SUPPORT SUPPORTING IGNORANCE… and I
feel if anyone can here they are members of the wrong site? Wouldn’t you agree?
Some posters seem to be so adamant with such things as you would never find a scientist taking this seriously or whatever, things such as the facts do
not support this idea…. Well to be frank as said in a earlier post I actually sit in both camps and all I can say in return is What are you Going on
about? Leave the high school textbooks alone and don’t call yourself scientists or posit an understanding of Science on this subject if you do not
use your own criteria of using facts and observable measurable phenomena done by others, if they don’t fit your own Paradigm. That’s not science
That truly is New Age religion, your gods though must be text books and lecturers who are not keeping up to date with current (and sometimes nearly 20
year old data!!) as they got their information from a bygone age of just post WW2 understanding.
So lets analyse this further and look at some real Science on this subject, lets keep this to PhD holders as they generally are able by this
qualification to be able to lecture and pass on there understanding to others, and indeed as some here seem to be so linked to what the very famous
and groundbreaking Nildram (PhD psychology) showed in some experiments, the white coat syndrome, this is a well known topic in Psychology. That people
will transfer greater levels of acceptance and trust and believe, and incorporate another persons ideas and beliefs into there own structure of
understanding the world around them, into their own “global view”. This has been shown in experimentation to enable someone of that status to make
someone else accept unreasonable orders on their behaviour, and on how to behave and think due to deference to their status and the perceived “they
must be right” “they know what they are doing” “they understand it more than me” blah blah well to be true in lots of cases this can be
poppycock…lets look at the man in a white coat who said of Einstein that “he will never amount to anything” lol…. Well this man was an expert
in Mathematics… and paradoxically lets look at Einstein’s Cosmological Constant, a paradigm he couldn’t let go of himself and spent most of his
later life searching for.
I can’t spell well as pointed out, does that mean I don’t know much about Science etc…? Well I am the one being paid for my knowledge in this
area, who else posting in this thread is? Einstein often walked around with a coat hanger in his jacket and odd socks… he couldn’t spell either
and was Awful at subtraction compared to all other areas of math…was it therefore a sad world to listen to his theory of relativity??
Its laughable to be honest some of the statements posted in here but I say that not in a condescending manner just nudging some towards looking at
their paradigms and maybe the truth, however that’s for you to decide. I am sure many laugh at my posts too.
Am I trying to say I am like Einstein in ability … not in the least, not even as close as one grain of sand compared to a beach. I always found math
the hardest part of my degree and school, have to really really work at it, like my spelling, but I do have a very good ability in other areas such as
systems and overall project management and “the bigger picture” rather than the detail. We all have knowledge skills and experience in different
areas; this uniqueness is what makes the world work on a human level and also interesting.
So lets look then in this threads general theme where the Quantum Realm, Consciousness and Real Science seem to be converging, and leave the semantics
and compartmentalisation alone, therefore:
Look at the following, and I truly urge anyone who states that there is no empirical evidence for consciousness effecting the external world, and as
some have said that it is impossible for positive thinking to affect other humans at a distance to click on the link and read this thoroughly. As
crime can definitely be described a sickness of the mind i.e. the thoughts and actions of such things are not healthy? I think all would have to agree
with this… so have a GOOD look at this: (This I know is mentioned in WTBDWK but this is not a documentary but a paper by a PhD Holder to appease
some in here) this is information from an AMERICAN GOVERNMENT BODY NAMELY:
Institute of Science, technology and Public Policy I hope this source will be enough of a “white coat” for some people to open up their minds on
this subject. Also it is in response to the Sceptical enquirer, which seems very fitting!