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reply posted on 21-8-2006 @ 10:17 AM by Djarums
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
What the hell was he thinking?????????


I've been wondering that for the last day now. As most of you know, I too considered him a friend, talking to him plenty in chat, and sometimes helping him work out some issues, and to say I'm shocked about all this would be an understatement. See, if pickles was an idiot, then fine, I wouldn't be shocked. But he's not. This is a smart person who is obviously intelligent enough to know that what he did was wrong while he was doing it. A smart person who knew/knows full well that it's both morally and legally wrong to take the work of others and attribute it to yourself. A smart person who knows that when a community has embraced you and treated you like a member of a family, you don't stab them in the back.

The whole situation just confuses me and frankly, some of the reactions of people here also surprise me.

To the people who state that "it's all about the money" or "he was targetted" or other such theories, I have to ask if you are either hermits, anti-social people or just looking for excuses.

If you're just looking for excuses to get your friend back online, I can understand that. But if you actually believe what you wrote, you have a very serious problem.

I admit, growing up I've always been part of communities. At home living in Manhattan, in school, in college, now even at work, I've always gotten along with people and have always been "part of the community." When you're part of the community, you don't have to like everyone. You can argue and whine and complain and debate and fight. But you have respect for one another. That's the key word here "respect".

I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not going to touch the Creative Commons stuff. We all have our areas of expertise, and legalese is not mine. I am, however, an expert on community. Taking material written by others (not even just staff but YOU&ME, the membership) and passing it off as your own without giving a moment's thought to the community is simply WRONG. It boggles the mind how a well liked member of the community could do this, but nonetheless, it was done.

So yes, while I too am saddened to see a bright young man not be part of this community anymore, I also must force myself to realize that this bright young man knew better and for some reason decided to make some very poor choices along the way, and now has to live with them.

I'm sorry...


reply posted on 21-8-2006 @ 10:58 AM by NoNik
Originally posted by Nygdan
Anyway, I noticed that no one is taking up the previous offer of admiting that they've broken the rules and returned with a new account after being banned. I'd highly recommend that people come clean now in order to work it out.

I'm here with a new account, but not because I broke any rules. I don't KNOW why myself, my mate, and our best friend were banned, all within a 24 hour period, all with IP blocks, all after making normal posts, then simply trying to come back in.

Work it out? Tried that. Tried for a couple months total, both when it happened via email, then now with this name (apx a 6mo span). All I found out was .............. no one in the know will respond to my scenario. I have tried both as the previous user, via email, then as this user under a false pretense that nonik is a friend of the banned users, trying to gain info for them. I have also sent this quest as this user, but stating who I used to be. Nothing. Two admins did have the courteousy to U2U me back, but just that they had no info about the situation, that all they knew for me to do was contact one of the 3 tops, especially the single top that is the only one able to IP block a banned user. I put a lot of time into making several emails / U2U's very literate, coureous, and to the point, without ranting ....... to no avail.

In the end, this notion of admitting to work it out is completely futile.

I may get banned now for this, I dont know, all I wanted was to find out what happened to three users that were not troublemakers, hell, one was even on a councel ........... but you asked, maybe that was just a ploy.

As for coming on as multiple users for the purpous of talking to yourself, boosting the alter-user, yadda yadda ........ well, that's just both juvenille and insecure.

As for this whole pickel thing, well, c'mon, that was pretty blatant what that user admittedly did ......... he plagerized.

NN
aka: ?


reply posted on 21-8-2006 @ 11:00 AM by ZeddicusZulZorander
Originally posted by dAlen
This whole "ownership" is just an illusion my friends. A few year we are all pushing up dasies.

If that were true, then I could come to your house and take anything I wish citing "ownership is an illusion." The world just doesn't work that way and ATS has very open rules allowing content to be used.

He could have moved posts or threads he made and then asked others to go there and comment. ATS had no problem with his forum in the first place obviously (or letting him use his own created content), but stealing other people's content was over the line.



Imagine that you run a grocery store. A nice young man sets up a booth outside selling some fruit. It's a specialty booth so you don't have a problem with it.

Now, in an effort to build a customer base, you find that this nice young man is taking items out of your store, slapping his own label on them, and then selling the goods as his own. When you say something, he returns the items and apologizes.

Does that change the fact that he stole from you in the first place?


It doesn't.

Make no mistake. He knew what he was doing. He started a forum of his own and quickly realized that it's hard to attract visitors. We've seen this many times before with people who start their own forum for whatever reason. Then he took content and passed it off as his own to attract attention.

He may be a great guy, but he made a poor choice and has to accept responsibility for that. The finger can be pointed at ATS and the staff that we did this or we did that, but feeling the need to place blame on others doesn't resolve the issue.

Other people here should learn a lesson in this. Accept the consequences of your own actions. Sometimes the penalty is light and sometimes not, but passing blame isn't the way to go.


reply posted on 21-8-2006 @ 11:56 AM by anxietydisorder
(posted by picklewalsh...)© 2006, Kevin Walsh.
All songs are copyright control. The copyright in these lyrics and/or recordings is owned by Kevin Walsh. All Rights Reserved.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It's not like he wasn't aware of copyright law.
I also noticed that the T&C was changed on his site after I pointed it out in this thread that it was a copy & paste of ATS's T&C.

I think it's almost time we dropped this topic and got on with our lives.
The drama was interesting to follow, but what's done is done and I think it's time to move on.



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