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reply posted on 20-8-2006 @ 08:30 PM by Duby78



reply posted on 21-8-2006 @ 06:04 AM by Duby78
No, it's not Tavor. Its design looks similiar, but mechanism is completely different. And it was dubbed VHS - what a stupid name!



This new Croatian rifle, named VHS, was recently presented on iKA, an annual innovation display in Karlovac, Croatia.
Externally, it may look like a fuse of Tavor, Tavor 2 and FAMAS, but internally, there's a different story; when fired, gun powder gasses push the bolt backward via piston, that much is the same as in almost all assault rifles. However, the unique feature of this gun is that it has additional gas vent that leads some of the gases into a chamber located BEHIND the bolt. As the bolt moves backward, it's gradually slowed down and then softly stopped by a gas cushion, rather then coming into an abrupt stop as it reaches it's most backward position, causing recoil. This feature makes VHS, well, not recoilless, but very low recoil and easy to fire.
Some other features of the VHS rifle are the following; length 750mm, width 448mm, height 255mm. Barrel length 500mm(!) Calibre 5,56X45mm NATO
Cyclic rate of fire- 600rpm, single/auto/safe fire selector
Weight (without flash light, grenade launcher, bayonet or magazine)- only 2,3kg(!)
Pistol grip placed in weapon's center point, making it possible to fire with one hand.
Integral bipod that folds entirely into a serration in the grip.
Dove tail mount located under the barrel, infront of the pistol grip- for mounting flash light, laser or IC light.
Easy mounting 40mm underbarrel grenade launcher- when lower part of the front grip is removed, the GL mounts on the gun in the same manner as the bayonet.
Any kind of optical sight can be mounted ontop of a carry handle, which is also equipped with iron sight that shooter uses with both eyes open- apparently, this feature is common in some hunting rifles...I'd appreciate any additional info on that. (I'm familiar with military rifles, but know next to nothing about hunting rifles or shotguns...)
The VHS is developed by HS Produkt, the same factory that makes HS2000/ Springfield XD pistols. It's been thoroughly tested by HS Product team and presented as finished product, not prototype. It's currently undergoing testing by Croatian army. Rumour has it it's even been offered to US army...
Possible date of adaptation by Croatian army- some say Croatian contingent of MPs in Afghanistan will be equipped with VHS soon, other sources say the earliest VHS can be adopted is 2008...



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[edit on 21-8-2006 by Duby78]


reply posted on 21-8-2006 @ 07:50 PM by Duby78
I've never handeled civilian version, so I can't be absolutely sure if it's any better then army model.

Standard army model - this one is exactly the same like one I had in army

Somewhat newer version

WASR - Civilian, semi-auto version (I think it's latest civilian model)


I'll be honest with you, pal. I've compared multiple photos of civilian variants and the army model. They look and 'feel' exactly SAME (only some details are different - new pistol grip and removal of forward handle).


reply posted on 22-8-2006 @ 09:31 AM by GPWASR10
Well, some of what has been said here is actually close to the truth, other things (like the 7.62x39 having the flattest of trajectory and kicking like a mule) sound like it was pulled from the sky.

I am a long time collector of AKM’s and SKS’s, and to set the record straight the SKS (Simonov System Self-loading Carbine), although an excellent rifle in its own right, is a completely different platform then the AKM. They are similar and Kalashnikov defiantly used a few of the same design features in his rifle but the operating principles are very much different.

In the SKS family only the Russian is considered better quality then the Yugoslavian (AKA the Yugo M59/66) as far as SKS’s are concerned. Oh the Yugo is more “built” then the Russian (i.e. Every part of the gun is milled as opposed to stamped) as Yugo rounds were loaded “hotter” then their Soviet counterparts and the Yugo was designed to shoot rifle grenades off its end, a particularly violent affair on gun metal to be sure. When one disassembles a Yugoslavian SKS for the first time they, if they know anything about these rifles, are astonished at the craftsmanship that went into them.

But the Yugo’s lacked something every other SKS had, Chromed Barrels. This was due to Yugoslavia’s lack of Chrome ore deposits and dicey relations with Russia made trading for Chrome difficult to obtain at best. Now if your not using Surplus ammo (i.e. Corrosive primer ammo) then a chromed barrel is not all that important. And even if you are shooting surplus ammo, as long as you neutralize the corrosive salts that are deposited in the barrel and gas tube with some ammonia (even Windex will work here) soon after shooting it really will not effect the rifle.

Up until recently the Yugoslavian SKS’s could be had for $170.00 in un-issued new condition. They (in this writer’s opinion) were the best deal going in assault rifles. But unfortunately the supply has dried up. But, beware of “Used Surplus” Yugoslavian M59/66’s as corrosive ammo was used throughout the rifles life and has undoubtedly pitted the barrel and gas tube. You better know your stuff before going and buying one of these, as they are a roll of the dice.

Much the same that can be said of the Yugo SKS can also be said about the Yugo AKM. It is a very, very well built weapon. The receiver is a full 1.5mm in thickness (as opposed to the AK standard 1mm) generally speaking a receiver this thick goes on an RPK (a Russian Squad Automatic Weapon) a gun designed to shoot thousands of rounds in a single sitting. Its quality is without question but that quality comes at a price. It’s over 8.5 pounds empty. That’s a very heavy rifle for such a dainty round. And it to lacks a Chromed barrel. Once again not a big deal if the rifle is of new construction but if it was built from a surplus parts kit then it could be a problem. The lack of the standard com-bloc sight attchment on the receiver kinda is a minus though as it limits your abilities to mount the plethora of cheap quality eastern block scopes and Kobra family of Collimator sights, a product that nicely addresses one of the fundamental flaws of the AKM design, poor weapons sights. Overall this rifle is a good deal. Its price will go up without doubt and you should be pleased with your purchase and have it for a long time.

The Romanian AKM’s may not be as well built as a Yugoslav AK but it does have advantages over the Yugo. Its lighter, has a chrome barrel, has a com-block sight attachment and is generally considered to have the best 1mm receiver on the market. The SAR rifles are considered “the best” of the Romanian rifles but in truth they are all about the same. The “civilian” GPWASR10 has all of the features of the SAR but also possess a Tapco G2 trigger group that is superior to the standard Romanian trigger. I have had one of these rifles since it came out and even after 2,000 rounds I has never mis-fired, hang fired, Failed to feed....



reply posted on 22-8-2006 @ 09:32 AM by GPWASR10
...It is true that you should never buy one of these “sight unseen” as they can (although rare) have issues with canted sight blocks and gas tubes. But if you get a good one you will have it for a very, very long time.

All AKM’s however share specific traits. I will attempt to list some of those merits and flaws here.

Pros…
1) Reliability. This design will work in any environment it is designed with loose tolerances and will work even if it gets mud in the mechanism. No assault rifle is as reliable as a Kalshnikov.
2) Ease of use. These are Monkey guns, easy to disassemble and maintain.
3) Cost. Ammo is still pretty cheap.
4) .30 Caliber round hits hard and goes through things like Cars, bullet-proof vests, and small trees.

Cons…
1) Accuracy. This is a 250 yard rifle AT BEST. Realistically about 100-150 yards. Even then your group is going to be large (about 4 inches) but against its intended target (people) it is sufficient. And most gunfights happen within a few feet.
2) Poor ergonomics. The rifle balances a little awkward and the safety requires you to take your finger off of the trigger to disengage it. It also makes a distinctive audible “Clack” when disengaged.
3) Poor sights. The Sights on this gun are only about 18” apart. This makes for a poor sight radius. On most AK’s this can be remedied with a collimator sight of some sort.
4) The round drops like a brick after about 300 yards.

Anyway I hope this helps you guys. If you have any question feel free to ask.








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