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the group in india as the thuggee cult right?
remember indiana jones and the temple of doom. they enemy were the thuggee.
they just change it a little.
Originally posted by devzilla
Well, I cant say who I am or what we do, or where we are, I can give you an idea of why there arent documentation about us.
Most of our Pre-Khan history was lost when we fought Genghas Khan. After that, we went undergroud. were not focused on politics, nor are we Holier-than-thou people. We are simply a group that ensures the survival of humanity. Not as a whole, but conspirators like you people, people willing to look under the masks of things for true meanings. The people who are pleased with what they hear in the media we refer to as assets. And FYI: we do kill, not as often as we used to, but we do. "Why check a white chess piece when all you have to do is paint it black."
Originally posted by CodyOutlaw
Hassan i Sabbah was an Imam of the Ismaili sect of the Shias. He was a highly educated man - a mathematician, a scientist, an alchemist. Fascinating dude.
The Thuggees have nothing to do with Sabbah. They come from all religions, really, but quite a number do worship the Goddess Kali.edit on 31-3-2011 by CodyOutlaw because: (no reason given)
Following the discovery of a sextant in the legendary castle of Alamut in central Iran, experts now believe Hassan Sabbah, the leader of Ismaili sect, has been an astronomer.
Historical documents assert he was a scientist who dabbled in all major science fields of his lifetime, including medicine, architecture and astronomy.
“During recent excavations in Alamut, archeologists have discovered some pieces of metal, including a circular and flat plate. After some studies, they concluded it was a sextant,” said Hamideh Chobak, head of the research team.
Now Iranian experts speculate that the theory long-maintained about Sabbah’s astronomical pursuits could be verified. “In Iran’s history of astronomy, Sabbah is not mentioned as an astronomer, but since he was a famed weather forecaster and was a close friend to Iranian scholar and poet Hakim Umar Khayyam, we could guess he dealt with the science as well,” noted Zahra Mobeini, research manager at Tehran’s Astronomical Sciences Center.
Hasan Sabbah (circa 1034 - 1124), or “The Old Man of the Mountain”, was the charismatic leader of the Hashshashin, an Islamic mystery cult, known to us as the Assassins.
An Ishmaelite (or Ismali; this still-extant branch of Shiite Islam is headed by the Aga Khan) political intriguer of the late 11th century, Hassan Sabah became a major political force in Persia and the entire Islamic world by use of some surprisingly modern political techniques. Hassan Sabbah’s followers, based out of his mountain fortress of Alamut were possibly amongst the best spies in the region, working with Christian Crusaders and any of the varied sects & nations of Islam at the time. And, of course, his followers left at least one lasting legacy—the English word “assassin” (from the Arabic for “guardian”). Alamut fell to the Mongols in 1260.
Not much is known about Sabbah, but legends abound as to the tactics used to inculcate members into his quasi-religious political organization. A future assassin was subjected to rites very similar to those of other mystery cults in which the subject was made to believe that he was in imminent danger of death. But the twist of the assassins was that they drugged the person to simulate a “dying” to later have them awaken in a garden flowing with wine and served a sumptuous feast by virgins. The supplicant was then convinced he was in Heaven and that Sabbah was a minion of the divinity and that all of his orders should be followed, even to death.
Originally posted by CodyOutlaw
The different spellings basically mean the same thing, "son". Ibn and bin - "son". In most Arabic texts, Hassan al-Sabbah is used. Basically, take your pick.
Assassin, the word - it wasn't used, really, until the 14th century. Medieval Arabic historians tended to refer to them most often as "Batinia", which basically translates as those who believe in the Batin. The batin is the esoteric meaning of a text. The Ismailis believe in both an exoteric and esoteric meaning in their holy texts, and they focus on the esoteric. Therefore, they became known as Ahl al-batin, those who believe in the esoteric interpretations.
Originally posted by DenyAllKnowledge
I came across an article a short while ago about the "Order of Assassins" (a fascinating subject and one that I've read an awful lot about) and found a titbit that I hadn't heard before:
The secret order that Hasan bin Sabbah created had a significant impact on all subsequent cults and secret societies. During the Crusades, the Hashishins fought both for and against the Crusaders, whichever suited their agenda. As a result, the Crusaders brought back to Europe the Assassins' system, which would be passed down and mimicked by numerous secret societies in the West. The Templars, the Society of Jesus, Priory de Sion, the Freemasons, the Rosicrucians, etc. all owe their organizational efficiency to Hasan. In fact, the Illuminati had their origins in the mystical aspect of the Hashishin order, although most equate the Illuminati with the Bavarian Illuminati, which was a revised version of the Hashishin system¡¦ (Tim O'Neill analyzes, in-depth, the influence of the Assassins in Adam Parfrey's Apocalypse Culture)
I have always been fascinated by the history of the Hashishin ... especially their connection with the Templars ... and particularly their seige of Nimrod's Fortress on the road to Damaskas ... well worth googling for anyone with an interest.
Thanks so much for reminding me about these guys ... they are so much more than characters in a Dan Brown novel
Woodyedit on 7-4-2011 by woodwytch because: (no reason given)