Bob Lazar fact or fiction???

Originally posted by sleeper

Originally posted by TOOMBS
Ok guys, I am going to give you the secret of the Universe.......... GET A PEN!


ANYONE, and I mean ANYONE, that tells you some incredible stuff without ONE shred of proof.......IS FULL OF CRAP!

Lazar, Dr. Greer, Sleeper, Lear........... or ANYONE that gives you all the answers with no proof. THAT PERSON IS FULL OF IT!


This formula works in all cases at all times. It will save you a lifetime of frustration.

Unless you are a robot you have twenty feet of intestines full of crap yourself.

All humans are full of crap; some of us have intellect to go with it. Some as you are just full of crap with an attitude----

Sleeper you seem to be easily offended when people imply that you are a fraud. The only reason I somewhat believe John Lear (other than his credentials, etc) is the fact that he is not bothered by people who do not believe him. You on the other hand, seem to be upset that anyone would not believe your stories. And you also keep dodging certain questions and trying to twist around people's posts from the main point like you just did above...

If you are on such a mission to "prove" something, then hurry up and prove it or you know what you can do...

[edit on 22-8-2006 by Diplomat]

Not everbodys (reality) will have the same depth as others nor discipline.In the end we are here to help each other to understand. Let us not limit ones perception but ones ignorance.The best thing one can do is sum up what we know as a Universal Front and distinguish from the rest.There are beings amongst us that have capabilities far beyond our understanding.They are in the background waiting and anticipating for the right notion to come forward.Together we make up the whole.

Originally posted by TOOMBS

Ok guys, I am going to give you the secret of the Universe.......... GET A PEN! ANYONE, and I mean ANYONE, that tells you some incredible stuff without ONE shred of proof.......IS FULL OF CRAP! Lazar, Dr. Greer, Sleeper, Lear........... or ANYONE that gives you all the answers with no proof. THAT PERSON IS FULL OF IT! This formula works in all cases at all times. It will save you a lifetime of frustration.

Welcome TOOMBS, and thanks for joining this thread. You may have not read the previous pages but I have made it abundantly clear that I have no proof of all this, not even one little teenie tiny shred. And I certainly accept that I may be full of it but this is what I believe.

I enjoy debating with those who disagree with me. But I would repspectfully request that you not call me names or say that I am full of ****. It is beneath the dignity of ATS and shows a real immature attitude.

There are lots of forums that permit that kind of conduct but here ATS we don't.
ATS is a real nice place to come and express our unpopular ideas, they really don't hurt anybody, they are just ideas.

Please take a big drink of water and maybe a couple of aspirin and try to chill out.

Perhaps you could contribute your ideas on "Bob Lazar Fact or Fiction" without getting yourself all wrapped around your axle. Thanks.

Originally posted by Diplomat

Sleeper you seem to be easily offended when people imply that you are a fraud. The only reason I somewhat believe John Lear (other than his credentials, etc) is the fact that he is not bothered by people who do not believe him. You on the other hand, seem to be upset that anyone would not believe your stories. And you also keep dodging certain questions and trying to twist around people's posts from the main point like you just did above...

If you are on such a mission to "prove" something, then hurry up and prove it or you know what you can do...

[edit on 22-8-2006 by Diplomat]

I'm not on a mission to prove anything, I could care less that some don't believe, just don't try and tell me what the heck I have experienced or didn't.

Only fools would pretend to know what others have seen or been through, and there is no shortage of fools who think they know what I have experienced.

What a coincidence that your nickname is "Sleeper." Is that when the Aliens contact you? When you are sleeping? Maybe you should pop a few Tylenol PMs so that you can fall asleep and have another one of your vivid dreams. Then come back here when you wake up and tell us all about your "voyage."

Actually reading some of the things that Sleeper has written on this thread alone makes me believe he knows things.

Diplomat unfortunately you will never believe until your have your own experience, Sleeper isn't any more special then anyone else here at ATS.

With the Grey's time has no meaning they have there agenda and that's the way it is. I have always considered myself the one who observes here. I really have a hard time with the fact that some people are truly bad.

Toombs I wonder how many Scientist lived a good life because of there "theories." As the Grey's said, you try to hard through Science to prove things just use logic and common sense the answers are the simplest the ones you always overlook.


[edit on 22-8-2006 by observe50]

[edit on 22-8-2006 by observe50]

Originally posted by TOOMBS

Well, allow me to apologize.

Your apology is accepted TOOMBS.

You guys speak of things like they are facts without backing it up. It is IRRESONSIBLE and not condusive to science.

I'm not sure how long you are going to carry this on TOOMBS but ATS accepts discussion and ideas without proof. They don't consider it irresponsible. As far as 'condusive to science' I do not find that in the rules of posting at ATS, could you please point out where that is? Thanks.

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by TOOMBS

Well, allow me to apologize.

Your apology is accepted TOOMBS.

You guys speak of things like they are facts without backing it up. It is IRRESONSIBLE and not condusive to science.

I'm not sure how long you are going to carry this on TOOMBS but ATS accepts discussion and ideas without proof. They don't consider it irresponsible. As far as 'condusive to science' I do not find that in the rules of posting at ATS, could you please point out where that is? Thanks.

Well, I am speaking in a moral sense......... but, no matter. I am done. Sorry for being confrontational. Carry on, sir.

Originally posted by johnlear
Just off the top of my head

That phrase may illustrate part of the problem with what I think, and what you think. My mind doesn't stop at the top of my head. The only thing that comes off of the top of my head is hair. Thin, gray hair.

That part of me that can step back and watch the other, public part of me is not psychically bounded by my body. I need the body to tote it around, but believe me, I'm constantly working on ways to separate the ethereal part of me from the physical. The spark within that makes "me", exists within an infinite globe.

The part that is "me", the part I call "I", is not coming back here. No other entity in this universe has any decision in the matter. I'll grant you there may be some "container", requiring a recharge from time to time, but as far as "me" running through some "karmic" loop?..Nope. (With apologies to Buddha)

Some of you need to find the source for the damage you've done to your psyches and realize the consciousness that is "us" and "we" and "me" and "I", is powerful, unlimited, and certainly not the "cattle" of some supposed alien being.

Your perception of reality hinges on a very finely tuned chemical balance. Even a slight tilting of this balance can produce very bizarre results in the human mind. These results often draw on (and reinforce) pre-determined cultural beliefs or subconscious superstitions, and seem absolutely real to anyone experiencing them.

I am not proclaiming folks like Lazar, Sitchin, Icke, Greer, Sleeper, John & co are delusional, nor am I implying they would be purposefully disinformative, but that these are possibilities which should be considered prior to making a leap of faith.

The reality is that there is a UFO phenomenon occuring, and there are numerous modern day prophets putting their own 'spin' on it. They can't all be right, can they?

So what's my point? Caveat emptor.

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by MrPenny

Apparently I've found my soul, because I'm utterly convinced that I am in total control of my present and my destiny. No thing or entity has any claim on me. And I know the likely response..."Well, your just an unaware person."...That's such a feeble cop-out, it makes me giggle.

MrPenny nice to see you again. Just off the top of my head I think you'll be doing a few more round trips to the Big Soul Machine On The Moon than the rest of us. But what the hey, you may like earth more than the rest of us.

John, you are starting to sound like the mafia..."Hey, you...not giving any reasons, but your being recylceld."

Maybe I missed it, but if not, what is your list of requirements for not being recycled?

side note: In Judaism their is a complex way the soul works...Sefer HaGilgulim (Gates of reincarnation) by Haim Vital. As mentioned elsewhere, in Judaism there are 5 levels of the soul, hinted at in Christianity by Paul when he says he is located in Heaven with Christ and on earth at the same time.

Again, lots of great theories, where do you get your idea from. Although you mentioned, I believe, all your ideas are flexible and theories (good), except for the soul machine. Where did the proof of not only its existence, but for its purpose come from? (I might have missed an earlier responce, so feel free to send a link.)

Peace

Dalen

[edit on 23-8-2006 by dAlen]

Robert Lazar's experience is real. Check out the last three characters on his security income tax statement under DNI.

Dallas

www.serve.com...

Originally posted by Schaden

www.serve.com...

Schaden I think that ATS prefers that you accompany any posted site with a comment or explanation. While you may think that it needs no explanation this is not always the case.

I haven't read Tom's timeline since it appeared 10 years ago so I gave a quick review and it seems accurate enough to me. There are a few very minor errors such as on the 29th of April on the second trip to watch the saucers tested I thought that George Knapp was along on that one. I thought that that was the night George videoed the gravity jumps. I may be wrong. I wasn't along that night because I had to take a flight for American Trans Air to Minneapolis. The night before, I had called Bob and asked what was going on and he said 'We're going fishing tomorrow night." On the day Bob went to Indian Springs he was driven by Dennis Marianna, his boss. When they were reading Bob the riot act for taking his friends out to watch the saucers fly they said, "Oh yeah Bob, when you told Lear you we're going fishing, it really gave us fits trying to figure it out."

I don't really have anything to add. Just throwing it out so people like yourself may comment. Thanks.

Originally posted by dAlen

Maybe I missed it, but if not, what is your list of requirements for not being recycled?

Everybody is recycled, its just WHERE you are recycled to that matters. If you are recycled back to do another stretch on earth I think the problems may be:


Watched American Idol too many times (or at all)
Drank too much beer
Watched way, way too much football.
Watched a porn film
Called your wife or girlfriend a *****.
Gave somebody the finger too many times.
Didn't put your market basket back in the rack, just left it by the curb.
Tailgating on the freeway.
Making a left turn well after after the light turns red.


However I don't make up the rules. So they may be completely different than what I think. They may not even include any of the above.

All I know is that I'll be very glad when I get off this darn ball.

John,

Do you mind my asking why you seem to want to get off this ball as you say?

Earth is beautiful, yes we are messing her up but we can change that if we want.

Originally posted by observe50

John, Do you mind my asking why you seem to want to get off this ball as you say? Earth is beautiful, yes we are messing her up but we can change that if we want.

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Earth is beautiful but there are too many humans here. They're moving in to all the nice neighborhoods, driving the property values down. No thanks. I'll take Saturn any day.

i reckon i'd feel the same if i lived in las vegas

I know I called this "Bob Lazar fact or fiction", thats were it started, but all this talk of souls and collectors or abuction or even if you have some greys round for tea, I accept everything you want to say and will consider your words, dont feel you have to hold things back, I appreciate your comments.

But don't forget anybody who wants to comment on Lazar can and I'm sure someone will help with questions, even if your trying to discredit Lazar you do have your say.

Thanks

[edit on 23-8-2006 by chris01621]