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Originally posted by crgintx
Mention the words, "free trade" and all the little (petty) 'ist's (anarchist,socialist, communist) come running. I agree that there needs to be greater economic justice in the world but the only way that you as an individual will get a greater sense of it is by careful financial planning and self-education not through state sponsored programs. Minorities in the US are told by the left because of their race, ethnicity or economic status that can't compete fairly with whites of just slightly better economic standards, pure horse puckey. I feel far more insulted by this liberal intelligentsia elitist view than the dumbest redneck's racial slur.
Originally posted by defcon5
According to him the guns that fire rubber bullets are more like a shotgun then a rifle, they fire rubber buckshot that spreads out all over the place. These shots bounce around until they finally loose inertia and stop or hit something soft. These rounds are not a single shot rifle style of bullet that can be specifically aimed to hit a person in the face. Now he did admit that an officer that is a good shot with one could estimate the distance to bounce them off the ground so the rounds will bounce back up and have a greater chance of hitting a target in the five to six foot high range, and he knew this distance in exact feet.
So with the two headshots seen here, it is most likely just a lucky shot, a bad bounce, or they just happened to be in the right range by accident. Even if an officer was able to bounce the shot to try to increase the chances of a headshot there was no way that the officer could control which direction each individual projectile flew. In addition, if an officer was intentionally trying to make a headshot on the protesters, it was most likely on the group in general and not on any specific person, and he would have to know exactly how to do it.
no way that the officer could control which direction each individual projectile flew
Originally posted by LoneGunMan
Originally posted by crgintx
Mention the words, "free trade" and all the little (petty) 'ist's (anarchist,socialist, communist) come running. I agree that there needs to be greater economic justice in the world but the only way that you as an individual will get a greater sense of it is by careful financial planning and self-education not through state sponsored programs. Minorities in the US are told by the left because of their race, ethnicity or economic status that can't compete fairly with whites of just slightly better economic standards, pure horse puckey. I feel far more insulted by this liberal intelligentsia elitist view than the dumbest redneck's racial slur.
You have no idea what you are even talking about. we are losing our middle class and it has nothing to do with education. now its the high tech jobs that are going overseas, not just manufacturing. I was around when Ronald reagan first sold out the middle class, when he put NAFTA and a few other programs into the playing field.
ou then You probably think corporations cannot survive in the world market using higher paid American workers dont you? They would survive, just not as much profit for the top five percent. Are you in the top five percent? I am sure you are not, so what are you brainwashed by corporate America?
Ystate she wore red to make the locals think she is promoting communism? WTF? We are losing our country to corporate fascism and you are pulling out the left vs. right argument? Wake up guy this is the fleecing of America.
LONDON - Some types of rubber bullets used by police to restrain unruly protesters kill and maim too often to be considered a safe method of crowd control, new research concludes.
Stephen McConomy, 11, Derry city, died three days after being hit by a plastic bullet in April 1982. Witnesses said Stephen was standing with his hands in his pockets when he was struck from a distance of 17 feet.
Originally posted by LoneGunMan
For decon5, so the police are above the law?
Originally posted by LoneGunMan
Do they not wear masks to intimidate?
Originally posted by LoneGunMan
Do you have a clue as to how far we are slipping in our freedom?
Originally posted by LoneGunMan
I work with cops all the time, they love me and the rest of the fire service, wish I could say thats how they feel about the rest of humanity though. You dont know what they think until you talk to them while theyre on the job and under stress. They think all of you are just a bunch of low-life animals that need to be tamed
Originally posted by Luxifero
Very interesting; yes, let's have conditional protests that can be streamlined from public view and attention. In fact, this is what MLK should have been authorized to do as well: protest in a park.
Originally posted by Luxifero
One man in a mask does not justify shooting arbritrary members of thos protest who were blatantly not wearing masks
Originally posted by niteboy82
Mardi Gras goes off without a hitch, other cities that try never can claim the same from what I've seen. Somehow we can handle protests and rallies without riot gear.
Originally posted by jeepin4x4girl
Okay, so if what you're saying is true about the rubber bullets, that doesn't sound like a very safe weapon at all. Now I'm guessing the rubber bullets have to be dispersed outwards in different directions to break up a big crowd, but imagine this scenario.....what if there was a small child amidst the group of protesters and the child was struck by a stray rubber bullet? How about innocent bystanders walking on the sidewalks past the protesters? You're probably going to tell me that the chances of a small child walking past a group of protesters on the street and being struck by a rubber bullet is unlikely, but come on, it's very possible, especially when you say that
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
LoneGunMan - I'm supprize, since you are a fire fighter, that you haven't said anything about these permits. It's obvious that if they have a permit to close a street, and even have to create a Site Plan/Diagram that shows exactly the streets that will be closed, that the near by fire deparments will recieve these diagrams and requests in order to plan ahead their direct route to a emergancy call, so that their route doesn't conflict with on going public assemblies.
Originally posted by fred3110
ANOK my mam was in the miners riots and she says it was great but the police were brutal!! it was probably the last time the working class of britain wielded any power
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
If they did have a permit, it would be a Outdoor Public Assembly Permit.
Here is info about it for Orlando, Florida. I'm pretty sure its the same deal in Miami.
www.cityoforlando.net...
In order to close a street, lane, or sidewalk, you have to notify emergancy serivces, and even hire your own off duty police to attend the assembly.
Also you have to pay.... 101-500 people with no alcohol is $100 with alcohol is $200.
The permit has to be made a full 60 days before the assembly.
I'm almost certain they didn't have a permit.
Originally posted by cavscout
I must assume that you have taken the oath of enlistment, or claim to be someone who has, by your avatar. If that is true, you are a treasonous liar (not an insult, just an observation of the law, you traitor.)
How you and your ilk can sit there and support statutes unconstitutional on their face when you took an oath to uphold and defend the constitution has me floored.
You and servicemen like you are a shame to your country, an abomination to the republic you whore to for a paycheck.
Any of you who want to support a statute over the constitution should probably either try to get the constitution amended the right way or go find a democracy to live in.
The masses, the sheep, they don’t rule in a republic. The sheep can vote in a statute, you can call it a law and claim it is legal, but in the end supporters of the constitution are the real patriots, have right and law on their side, and won’t be illegally regulated forever.
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Do you seriously believe I would risk my life for a paycheck
Yeah, you are right, I probably never will experience the reasons you like boats. I do know that the reason I joined the cavalry was because I loved my country and the constitution. Then 9/11 happened and all of a sudden I wasn’t fighting against an armed invader, I was invading! And you know what? I left my soul over there, I brought Sadam City home with me, and I am damn sore about it, but more than that I absolutely cant stand, to the point wanting to pick up a riffle and fight again, you and you buddies who claim to be a defender of our country but wipe your ass with the constitution, and all from the "head" not on the ground, where people really are risking their lives.
Reasons that you will never experiance in your entire pathetic lifetime.
You are right, I did take oath to uphold and defend the constitution. You know what? The constitution hasen't changed! Can you tell me where on the constitution it says you can break any and all state laws while you protest? You can't.
Key word here... peaceably. Since when is starting fires
Well, were they doing it by pointing RPGs at the vehicles? I don’t remember the "right to drive" appearing in the constitution. Actually most states say driving is a privilege not a right, so obviously my right to protest trumps your right to drive. Don’t like it? Sorry, it’s the constitution YOU swore to uphold and defend, to protect.
stopping traffic,
come on, you serious?
obstructing sidewalks
Prove the woman did any of those things. You can’t, because she didn’t. They were not firing into the crowd, they admitted at the end to targeting her, as an individual
shooting ball bearings with rist rockets at the authority, throwing bricks and rebar at the authority, and throwing human waste at the authority
People like you don't deserve to live in the USA.