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Originally posted by Nygdan
If you don't leave when the police tell you to, you get shot with rubber bullets. If you don't want to get blasted in the face, don't go to a protest.
Yeesh, one of these idiots is wearing a mask and screaming at the police.
In the interview afterwards, she says she thinks they shouldn't be happy about it, that they shouldnt applaud it. Is she kidding? Of course they are going to applaud it, they pretty clearly specifically targeted her and we glad that they hit her. Maybe next time she won't wear a bright red jacket to draw their fire.
[edit on 18-8-2006 by Nygdan]
Originally posted by ANOK
Not true, I have never seen a protest where there are no cops in riot gear. And yes they do need permission to protest. If they didn't get permission how did the cops know to be there?
The cops are there to intimidate and a show of power by the state. What good would protesting in a park do? Protests are supposed to be a nuisance, an inconvenience.
They're not just a day out. How would anybody be effected by a protest in a park? Instead of picking on the protesters how about looking into what is being protested?
All you care about is your own selfish inconvenience. Take the day off. Better yet join the protest. Maybe with enough voices we could actually make a change, cause we all know voting doesn't do anything but waist our time, and give the sheep the illusion of control.
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
You are right, the police will show up in all protests, but only to protect the protestors.
Originally posted by Sistinas
I am having a real hard time finding where it say you have to have a permit to protest.
Title XLVI
CRIMES
Chapter 870
AFFRAYS; RIOTS; ROUTS; UNLAWFUL ASSEMBLIES
870.01 Affrays and riots.--
(1) All persons guilty of an affray shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(2) All persons guilty of a riot, or of inciting or encouraging a riot, shall be guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
870.02 Unlawful assemblies.--
If three or more persons meet together to commit a breach of the peace, or to do any other unlawful act, each of them shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
870.03 Riots and routs.--
If any persons unlawfully assembled demolish, pull down or destroy, or begin to demolish, pull down or destroy, any dwelling house or other building, or any ship or vessel, each of them shall be guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
870.05 When killing excused.--
If, by reason of the efforts made by any of said officers or by their direction to disperse such assembly, or to seize and secure the persons composing the same, who have refused to disperse, any such person or other person present is killed or wounded, the said officers and all persons acting by their order or under their direction, shall be held guiltless and fully justified in law; and if any of said officers or any person acting under or by their direction is killed or wounded, all persons so assembled and all other persons present who when commanded refused to aid and assist said officer shall be held answerable therefor.
Originally posted by Nygdan
If you don't leave when the police tell you to, you get shot with rubber bullets. If you don't want to get blasted in the face, don't go to a protest.
Yeesh, one of these idiots is wearing a mask and screaming at the police.
In the interview afterwards, she says she thinks they shouldn't be happy about it, that they shouldnt applaud it. Is she kidding? Of course they are going to applaud it, they pretty clearly specifically targeted her and we glad that they hit her. Maybe next time she won't wear a bright red jacket to draw their fire.
[edit on 18-8-2006 by Nygdan]
Originally posted by Nygdan
Sure, they were excessive. These cops fired rubber bullets, and not to excess. Also, the civil rights movement was a far greater cause than 'no more war in iraq' is. Those cops were firing in the 60's because they wanted to keep blacks down, not because they were trying to dispurse a crowd. THe modern 'peace protests' and 'anti-WTO" protests aren't peaceful protests, in general, either. I don't recall seeing MLK walking around with a mask during those marches.
Originally posted by LoneGunMan
So we have to risk death by rubber bullet to the brain through the eye socket if we want to protest
Originally posted by LoneGunMan
I work with them on a daily basis, you are way wrong, they shot that lady in the FREAKING FACE!!!
Originally posted by Legalizer
You should be shot, with lead.
It is every American's RIGHT to assemble
niteboy82
I don't even know why it mattered or came up in the first place
Eh, symbolism, or the simple fact that they wanted to
Isn't a rally supposed to attract attention?
I wonder how that would hold up when put against a video tape
but judging by how they acted, I'm sure it could be quite biased.
Who cares if they ordered them to leave?!?
If they were behaving peacefully and were within their rights then the police officers have no business telling them to leave
Were they legally permitted (i'm against paying for permits, but hey, that's the law) and were they within their rights?
I still have the suspicion, and almost full belief, that these officers were wrong in this situation
kleverone
please refrain from using the rubber bullets
guerilla
I wonder if that pig would love a molotov cocktail in the face?
BAD PIG!!!
Originally posted by defcon5
Originally posted by LoneGunMan
So we have to risk death by rubber bullet to the brain through the eye socket if we want to protest
Originally posted by LoneGunMan
I work with them on a daily basis, you are way wrong, they shot that lady in the FREAKING FACE!!!
Read above, the gun is not a single bullet type, its like a shotgun full of buckshot and they cannot control where the rounds are going to hit. They can only somewhat control the height of impact, if the officer is a very good shot.
Originally posted by Nygdan
Originally posted by niteboy82 Eh, symbolism, or the simple fact that they wanted to
The Law forbids it. You've got to be kidding if you beleive these kids are wearing black masks because they are making a symbolic statement. THey are wearing a mask so that they can't be id'd and charged.
876.12
Wearing mask, hood, or other device on public way.--No person or persons over 16 years of age shall, while wearing any mask, hood, or device whereby any portion of the face is so hidden, concealed, or covered as to conceal the identity of the wearer, enter upon, or be or appear upon any lane, walk, alley, street, road, highway, or other public way in this state.
876.13
Wearing mask, hood, or other device on public property.--No person or persons shall in this state, while wearing any mask, hood, or device whereby any portion of the face is so hidden, concealed, or covered as to conceal the identity of the wearer, enter upon, or be, or appear upon or within the public property of any municipality or county of the state.
876.14
Wearing mask, hood, or other device on property of another.--No person or persons over 16 years of age shall, while wearing a mask, hood, or device whereby any portion of the face is so hidden, concealed, or covered as to conceal the identity of the wearer, demand entrance or admission or enter or come upon or into the premises, enclosure, or house of any other person in any municipality or county of this state.
876.15
Wearing mask, hood, or other device at demonstration or meeting.--No person or persons over 16 years of age, shall, while wearing a mask, hood, or device whereby any portion of the face is so hidden, concealed, or covered as to conceal the identity of the wearer, hold any manner of meeting, make any demonstration upon the private property of another unless such person or persons shall have first obtained from the owner or occupier of the property his or her written permission to so do.
876.19
Exhibits that intimidate.--It shall be unlawful for any person or persons to place, or cause to be placed, anywhere in the state any exhibit of any kind whatsoever with the intention of intimidating any person or persons, to prevent them from doing any act which is lawful, or to cause them to do any act which is unlawful.
876.20
Wearing mask and placing exhibit to intimidate.--It shall be unlawful for any person or persons while wearing a mask or any device whereby the face is so covered as to conceal the identity of the wearer to place, or to cause to be placed, at, on, or in any place any exhibit of any kind whatsoever.
Originally posted by Nygdan
And that is precisely why there are laws controlling public assemblies, because people will make spectacular acts of violence and destruction in order to 'get the message heard'.
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
She is standing and walking in the middle of the street, so is everyone else. Walking in the middle of the intersection. They are obstructing traffic, and breaking normal traffic laws.
Originally posted by LoneGunMan
No kidding there bucko you think its ok to shoot at protesters with rubber bullets that cannot be properly controlled?
Originally posted by LoneGunMan
You think that we should just take the laws that are infringe on our rights to protest?
Originally posted by LoneGunMan
Slavery was a law at one time.
If the people would shut a few cities down then maybe the government would listen to us.
Originally posted by LoneGunMan
You got your information from a prison guard? Nice source...
Originally posted by yanchek
So, in America you get shot in the head for traffic violation?
Interesting country you have there.
And I thought the Israely response in Lebanon was disproportionate.
[edit on 19-8-2006 by yanchek]
1) Obtain a Permit.
2) Stay in the EXACT area that you have a permit to protest.