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Originally posted by Rasobasi420
police know that head shots from rubber bullets can be fatal, so just aiming at head, or shoulder height shows intent to do serious harm.
Rockpuck
public display was protected by our constitution, and should not result in murder
Honestly... how could you think that?
TG
if the woman had any sense at all she would have left but she seemed quite content to let them fire at her.
niteboy82
They should have backed off? They should have listened to the police officers that were about to shoot them?
I don't remember who it was that made the comment that the civil rights movement was for "something more than Iraq". Sorry that means absolutely nothing. It was important to these people, and no where in the right to assembly does it specify a sliding scale for the "importance" of a rally
issued their apology. They wouldn't have done that if they thought they were in the right.
What is even more sad is that people will defend this madness
thatsjustweird
Them congratulating each other and stuff...that was just sick....
They murdered a young woman
marcopolo
they were totally bang out of order
skadi
Thats like saying its ok to blast protesters in the face who are not doing anything but protesting.
there are no laws against wearing masks or shouting at police
. The fact they gain pleasure from using this kind of force on non-violent people shows us they are at the very least, sadists
Its HER fault because of her choice in clothing.
How about this, maybe the cops should exercise some form of control, eh
the_time_is_now
now I could understand if they were throwing rocks, and such, but this was a peaceful gathering,
Originally posted by Nygdan
Also, the civil rights movement was a far greater cause than 'no more war in iraq' is.
THe modern 'peace protests' and 'anti-WTO" protests aren't peaceful protests, in general, either. I don't recall seeing MLK walking around with a mask during those marches.
Well then, did they go over capacity, become violent (you know, other than wearing a mask), or not have permit? Not that the constitution reads anything about those things, other than the peaceful part, but did you know if any law was actually broken before you made up your mind about the situation or are you simply defending your position?
You have to file a request for a permit in order to have an event on a public street. If you go over capacity, become violent, or dont' have any kind of permit
Actually, it does.
your right to speak your mind does not over-ride the public's right to conduct their business.
Originally posted by jeepin4x4girl
This is shocking...extremely disturbing, actually, those words don't even begin to describe this footage you're about to see. This video is proof of the new world world order coming to light.
Protesters are at a peaceful demonstration being watched by walls of police when all of a sudden rubber bullets are shot at the woman in the red dress suit. They keep firing and other people are hit as well, one man leaves with a bloody face.
After the whole incident the police gather around in a tent and laugh about shooting the lady in the face like a bunch of primative baboons.
Here's a link to the story, the video can be watched midway thru the article if you scroll down.
www.jonesreport.com...
[edit] fixed the link
[edit on 8/18/2006 by jeepin4x4girl]
Originally posted by cavscout
so however you feel about the war you have to understand why some people would protest against it.
So the mask makes it a violent protest?
The constitution does not apply to those who wear masks?
It looked pretty peaceful to me, as I am sure it probably would to a jury.
Well then, did they go over capacity, become violent (you know, other than wearing a mask), or not have permit?
but did you know if any law was actually broken before you made up your mind about the situation
Actually, it does.
your right to speak your mind does not over-ride the public's right to conduct their business.
Originally posted by Nygdan
Sure. But its still entirely different from the civil rights movement.
Legally? No. Sensibly, sure, why not? Who goes to a perfectly peaceful protest with pacifistic intent and hides their identity??
That video would hardly be the only peice of evidence entered for a jury or anyone else to review. The police reports would also be considered.
I find it unlikely that the protest was absolutely peaceful and non threatening and the police just hauled off and started firing at people. I seriously doubt that that police, looking at the several big honking video cameras in teh crowd, didn't at least order the protestors to leave before firing. We see nothing, other that the red jacket woman being pegged, then a cut, and then the police firing.
I am assuming that they did something to provoke the response other than having a perfectly legally constituted protest. I could be wrong. Feel free to demonstrate as such.
Clearly it doesn't. Assemblies of people legally require permits, they can be given restrictions, such as not blocking vehicle traffic, or even foot traffic. THey can be held to keep it below certain decibel levels, they can be required to keep clear of stores and businesses and all sorts of things. And when there are large numbers of peopel running around with identity hiding masks, sense dictates that they are there for trouble.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
Originally posted by Kruel
This is like your parents telling you to defend yourself against bullies, but if they hurt you, you're just supposed to take it.
Had I been there protesting next to that woman, I would've gone ape**** on that cop.
Had most of our population not gone soft, and used to sitting on their couch growing more obese and so used to seeing "peaceful" protesting, the police in that video would have had a full scale riot.
We lost our fighting spirit, we dont even get out of our cars to look someone in the face at the local mc donalds, let alone confront abusive police men..
They shot at truly peaceful people, like you said, had I been there when a women was shot in the head that cop would have hell to pay.
Originally posted by Nygdan
If you don't leave when the police tell you to, you get shot with rubber bullets. If you don't want to get blasted in the face, don't go to a protest.
Yeesh, one of these idiots is wearing a mask and screaming at the police.
In the interview afterwards, she says she thinks they shouldn't be happy about it, that they shouldnt applaud it. Is she kidding? Of course they are going to applaud it, they pretty clearly specifically targeted her and we glad that they hit her. Maybe next time she won't wear a bright red jacket to draw their fire.
[edit on 18-8-2006 by Nygdan]
Originally posted by The Water Man
Wow,
I can't get over what people think constitutes a "right". Is getting a permit to have a demonstration legal. Yes it is legal but not lawful to prohibit that activity.
If this difference is not understood by those hearing these two words, we educators are not doing our job. If wiretapping is said to be legal and woops it is found to be unlawful then guess what?
By the way who said "only" cars can be in a public thorough fair. When actually pedestrians have the right of way.
The constitution states that we have the "right" to use the public thorough fairs, and a permit or license is permission to do something that is otherwisse illegal to do. If no one gets a permit, who is the damaged party if one is not obtained, no one.
And it is presumtive to "assume" that they would not let emergency vehicles by.
Originally posted by Apoc
Too bad the bullets were not lead IMO.
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
If this was TRUELY a PEACEFULL PROTEST, the police wouldn't have ever showed up.