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reply posted on 1-11-2003 @ 05:26 PM by jagdflieger
You know I have seen this statement made many times "religion is a tool of control". However, I have never seen any documentation other than vague theories (i. e., "you are right" type replies). Here is a challenge. Document your thesis with the following:
1. List five to ten examples of how religion is being used to control people and how this control is being exercised. Back up your contention with links to quotes statements of facts, figures, etc.
2. Do not use small cults as an example (these are usually based on a personality), but you must use major large scale movements.



the catholic church issued a statement recently telling people
"Dont use condoms AIDS can get through them"
? how many people in 3rd world countries do you think that will help kill


For example, we have the following quote from this thread. There is no link to the actual statement made by the Roman Catholic Church. How am I to believe this statement? To me it is just an assertion which may have been quoted out of context. It could be a lie generated to criticized the Roman Catholic Church. Without the proper documentation, this is a heresay argument. Here may be another angle on this particular subject:
1. The only sure way to prevent the spread of STD's (sexually transmitted diseases) is either by abstinence or with a monogamous relationship with an uninfected partner.
2. Condoms only reduce the risk of the spread of STD's (although a substantial reduction).
3. Certain types of condoms have proven to be next to useless in the prevention of the spread of STD's. (I believe this has been shown to be the "natural feel" variety, but need to verfiy that).
4. Even with the use of proper kind of condoms, the risk is only reduced on a per time basis. In short, if you pratice enough unsafe sex, you will probably get an STD even if you use condoms.
5. Also could have the proponents of condoms given people a false sense of security in the practice of unsafe sex? Could it be that perhaps people are starting to rely on the use of these devices to stop the spread of STD's rather than relying on safe practices.

This is the point, a statement has been made and there is no evidence (or documentation) to indicate that the Roman Catholic Church ever made the statement as posted. Here is another example of what I mean:

Quite obviously religion is a tool of control. Its inescapable as you are taught it from birth and are unlikely to release yourself from those beliefs later in life. Its all part of the quite predictable and well documented human nature.

No I am not picking on any one person, but here we have a nice thesis but where are the facts and figures to back up this statement? Indeed there have been many people who have converted, changed their religion, their faith. It is not predictable as stated. Again without documentation, qoutes, figures, how can you tell if what I am saying is correct. You see my point?

As for me, time grows short, and I grow tired of the game.


reply posted on 1-11-2003 @ 05:47 PM by Toltec
Religion is simply a tool if it were not then why did people (masses) fight wars based upon the idea that they were needed for religious reasons.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

There is no such thing as a religion, which can be considered innocent in this sense. If anything the purpose of religion in history, has favored the opinion
of it being a method to rallying troops for war and generating conflict between cultures. To a greater extent that they have playing the role of "saving
souls".

What can be said about all beliefs is that essentially they are the same and the simple fact is, that sameness has been subverted, even on the Internet.

The attached as well is an interesting read...

www.religion-online.org...

Any thoughts?


reply posted on 1-11-2003 @ 06:23 PM by Kronos
As the first way out there was religion, which is implanted into every child by way of the traditional education-machine. Thus I came - though the child of entirely irreligious (Jewish) parents - to a deep religiousness, which, however, reached an abrupt end at the age of twelve. Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached the conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true. The consequence was a positively fanatic orgy of freethinking coupled with the impression that youth is intentionally being deceived by the state through lies; it was a crushing impression. Mistrust of every kind of authority grew out of this experience, a skeptical attitude toward the convictions that were alive in any specific social environment-an attitude that has never again left me, even though, later on, it has been tempered by a better insight into the causal connections. It is quite clear to me that the religious paradise of youth, which was thus lost, was a first attempt to free myself from the chains of the "merely personal," from an existence dominated by wishes, hopes, and primitive feelings. Out yonder there was this huge world, which exists independently of us human beings and which stands before us like a great, eternal riddle, at least partially accessible to our inspection and thinking. The contemplation of this world beckoned as a liberation, and I soon noticed that many a man whom I had learned to esteem and to admire had found inner freedom and security in its pursuit. The mental grasp of this extra-personal world within the frame of our capabilities presented itself to my mind, half consciously, half unconsciously, as a supreme goal. Similarly motivated men of the present and of the past, as well as the insights they had achieved, were the friends who could not be lost. The road to this paradise was not as comfortable and alluring as the road to the religious paradise; but it has shown itself reliable, and I have never regretted having chosen it.

Becoming a Freethinker and a Scientist, excerpt Albert Einstein's Autobiographical Notes


reply posted on 1-11-2003 @ 08:46 PM by NephraTari
Originally posted by Toltec
Religion is simply a tool if it were not then why did people (masses) fight wars based upon the idea that they were needed for religious reasons.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

There is no such thing as a religion, which can be considered innocent in this sense. If anything the purpose of religion in history, has favored the opinion
of it being a method to rallying troops for war and generating conflict between cultures. To a greater extent that they have playing the role of "saving
souls".

What can be said about all beliefs is that essentially they are the same and the simple fact is, that sameness has been subverted, even on the Internet.

The attached as well is an interesting read...

www.religion-online.org...

Any thoughts?
My thoughts on the latter article... the predominating thought that circled through my mind as I read, was that there are agenda's within agenda's when it comes to religions.
I think the strong admonation of all other religions is a part of one agenda,.
The demand that certain religions make on their followers that they do not marry someone that is not of their religion is another VERY obvious form of control over its followers, and to what end? Well I have my ideas on that, but no firm beliefs or even mentionable theories yet.
The more I think about it, the more I think perhaps this would make a good research project.
Finding the elements of control in religions and attempting to unveil the purposes behind each element.
I think religion is one of the greatest tools of all time.
Can you think of a more powerful tool than the idea of god? A god that demands obedience and glory?
I can't.
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