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Hispanic Activists Sue Over Illegal Immigrant Crackdown in Pa.

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posted on Aug, 22 2006 @ 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Here is an idea, let the US government take over Mexico. Mexico can be a part of the United States. Then they wouldn't have to come over here. From the looks of things, no one except the Mexican government would care.


Exactly what I have been saying. Rebuilding a country with peace will stimulate an economy the same as, if not more so than rebuilding one with war. Not to mention the huge workforce who will just be so proud to now be part of America and doing something for their homeland.


I'd be happy to prove it to you. Come visit me 25 miles southwest of DC and take a tour of my town and I'll show you all the proof you need. Spanish signs everywhere, construction workers that don't speak a word of english, dirty neighborhoods that used to be clean, corona bottles littering the streets, real estate taxes higher than ANY other city in Virginia (verified), 4 or 5 people to a house with some sneaking around in the shadows. All good people mind you as there have been no crime problems in my neighborhood (so far), but still many MANY illegals here that the government turns a blind eye to. I majored in Criminal Justice in college so needless to say I have a strong sense of adhering to the law. There is no gray area here. There is only black and white. Either you are a citizen, or you are a lawbreaker. PERIOD.


An average renters home can easily house up to ten people working on a budget, and just because they are Spanish has nothing to do with them being illegal. Of course there will be signs in Spanish in this country, WE ARE THE LARGEST MINORITY IN THIS COUNTRY. As far as all the garbage around, Corona bottles does not man illegal Mexicans are the only ones who drink this stuff. Go to any decent party with young people these days and you will likely find Coronas there as well.

If you have a criminal justice degree put it to use and start reporting any violations of the law and get people busted. Of course if you start reporting every house with Hispanics you may find yourself on the other end of a lawsuit. I mean I do not know what kind of neighborhood you live in, but I cannot see how a bunch of low paid illegal are able to afford the highest real estate taxes in Virginia, especially when many people claim that they spend all their money on booze and drugs with a little bit left over for food AND rent. Oh wait, they must ALL be on section eight because they have 4-5 people to a house, and do not speak English. That must be why your taxes are so high.

What you are seeing is a small minority of people in your neighborhood, illegal or not, that are bad mannered In your opinion and trash the neighborhood. If you think your area is dirty take some action as a citizen and clean it up. I take a garbage can on wheels around my neighborhood once a week when I am walking my dog with my fiancé. Unless of course you believe cleaning up your own neighborhood is below you or does not pay enough. In that case I am sure the corrupt city you believe you live in will happily pay an illegal below wage to do the job.

All I can see is generalized slander here. No proof that ALL illegal EVERYWHERE, or the majority thereof, are trashing this country and working low wages and leeching our social services.


[edit on 8/22/2006 by DYepes]



apc

posted on Aug, 22 2006 @ 08:37 PM
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I'm about to break my seat I'm squirming so much!!


Originally posted by DYepes
More states means we will have more power to stop tyranny and oppression in the world.


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Originally posted by DYepes
Making them a state will also give us the ability to squash that rediculous Aztlan group once and for all and no more worries about reuniting the homeland BS.


HMMMMM.


Originally posted by Aelita
Strictly speaking, the law passed in Hazelton is just against harboring violators. Striking it down would probably need a specific case when an illegal was denied job or housing. So somebody has to come forward and certify to the authorities that they are indeed illegals. Interesting.

Well, it depends on if it is interpreted as an immigration issue or a housing issue. If it's an issue of immigration, it may get shot down simply because that's a Federal matter. If it's an issue of housing (as I feel it is), then the courts do have the right to judge on it.


Originally posted by DYepes
Again, you are generalizing the same way APC did earlier. MOSt illegals in the country, because of the obvious sheer numbers, go unnoticed BECAUSE of the FACT they have adapted!! I mean, if you can prove that %51 or more of ALL illegal immigrants residences are dumps, do not even speak a lick of English, leeching welfare, and/or soley committing crime, than you may be no to something.

Generalizing? ... OK... I confess... all the illegals Ive ever known have been exactly as I have represented them. Sowwy. muh bad.

It does make it clear just who we are talking about here. There isn't a whole lot of concern over the illegal immigrants who just let their visa expire, or "got lost" as you put it. The concern is over those who hop the fence, swim the river, hide under a bus, etc. Those come from Mexico. No generalizing there. No racism there. And you never did answer that... why you kept saying this was a racial issue? ... is it because you know full well that argument is hogwash? Bulllllllll crap? Mmmhmm I think so!


Until then, you are no better than one who accuses all homosexuals of being perverts,

My feminine side is a lesbian.


Let me show you an example of how generalizing is wrong. Many people, that is American citizens, consider trailer parks "redneck dumps".

Actually I consider trailer parks to be gold mines... populated not only by white trash America, but by those who wish to spend their money on things other than giant houses. I used to be quite the salesman, and I looooooved trailer parks.


Originally posted by MrPenny
I think, maybe, DYepes reads the same message I do from some posters. Its a message of mean bigotry. "Some of the illegal immigrants won't assimilate into this country, or commit crimes, or group together where they are comfortable, so all of them are bad."

Well, if you are correct, then here is something you should be very familiar with: "Minority Rules"

If...



posted on Aug, 22 2006 @ 08:59 PM
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Just to break this down to simpler terms, again, isn't it Illegal to be an Illegal immigrant in every country in the world.

So being Illegal just to be in a country, shouldn't it be Illegal to give them jobs, and Illegal to give them shelter.

Couldn't giving them shelter (a place to stay, a rental home/apartment, while knowing they are illegal immigrants), be considered as Harboring a Fugitive.

It really shouldn't matter what the country of origin they are from.

Just because they might have gotten lost in The System doesn't give them the right to live here Illegally.



posted on Aug, 22 2006 @ 09:01 PM
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An average renters home can easily house up to ten people working on a budget, and just because they are Spanish has nothing to do with them being illegal. Of course there will be signs in Spanish in this country, WE ARE THE LARGEST MINORITY IN THIS COUNTRY. As far as all the garbage around, Corona bottles does not man illegal Mexicans are the only ones who drink this stuff. Go to any decent party with young people these days and you will likely find Coronas there as well.


Umm 10 people to a house is a serious zoning issue in any city. There are no fratboys in my neighborhood, so that leaves the other 95% of the people that ARE here as the culprits. Like I said before, i know that not ALL of them are illegal, but I do know that a good bunch of them are, including my neighbors recent roommate. The guy slinks around in the shadows, never makes eye contact, doesn't speak a word of english and had about 5 things to his name when he moved in.


If you have a criminal justice degree put it to use and start reporting any violations of the law and get people busted. Of course if you start reporting every house with Hispanics you may find yourself on the other end of a lawsuit. I mean I do not know what kind of neighborhood you live in, but I cannot see how a bunch of low paid illegal are able to afford the highest real estate taxes in Virginia, especially when many people claim that they spend all their money on booze and drugs with a little bit left over for food AND rent. Oh wait, they must ALL be on section eight because they have 4-5 people to a house, and do not speak English. That must be why your taxes are so high.

What you are seeing is a small minority of people in your neighborhood, illegal or not, that are bad mannered In your opinion and trash the neighborhood. If you think your area is dirty take some action as a citizen and clean it up. I take a garbage can on wheels around my neighborhood once a week when I am walking my dog with my fiancé. Unless of course you believe cleaning up your own neighborhood is below you or does not pay enough. In that case I am sure the corrupt city you believe you live in will happily pay an illegal below wage to do the job.

All I can see is generalized slander here. No proof that ALL illegal EVERYWHERE, or the majority thereof, are trashing this country and working low wages and leeching our social services.


How is it not hard to understand how they afford anything when they don't pay taxes and are paid under the table? 5 roomies all chipping in and you can afford that payment no problem. They are also a big reason why the taxes are so high. I shouldn't HAVE to take steps to do anything. This is JUST the point I'm trying to make. Before my town was ransacked I never had these problems. Now it takes me 30 minutes longer to make the same commute all the while dodging corona bottles and getting lost on the roads with spanish signs everywhere. I shouldn't HAVE to be seeing these problems at all if the government would protect and defend this country according to the US Constitution. If we make exceptions here then where do we draw the line afterwards?



posted on Aug, 22 2006 @ 09:10 PM
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Escrotumus, we are a democracy. We are the government, you and I and everyone else. If you have a problem in your area and want to see it changed, it is up to YOU to change that. whether you write to your representatives, protest on a major street by your house on all the bad things, or storm into a city council meeting with a group of like-minded citizens. If you leave all of these problems up to others, you will continue to be unhappy. Other people do not care about you, and they definetly do not care about the illegals in your neighborhood. Take the knowledge you have, and go with it.

I am glad you understand that these actions are not the characteristics of a certain ethnicity and/or nationality. See I do not have the problems you speak of here in my city, and therefore I am happy with what I live with. why don't you talk to your neighbor and ask him what he is doing to figure out how to obtain citizenship. If you open yourself up as an understanding, tolerant, and compassionate guy that actually cares about the well being of another human regardless of his legal status, they will open up to you as well. You will be able to solve the problem standing on both sides of the fence.



posted on Aug, 23 2006 @ 12:27 AM
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Originally posted by DYepes Exactly what I have been saying. Rebuilding a country with peace will stimulate an economy the same as, if not more so than rebuilding one with war. Not to mention the huge workforce who will just be so proud to now be part of America and doing something for their homeland.
I've agreed with you in some points, though I really doubt Mexicans would like to do that. Actually, that would never happen, even if the US would be willing (not in my lifetime at least), I can't see the Mexicans willing to be part of the US...(not in my lifetime or future children and grandchildren).

I think it would be better all around to legalize migration, or regulate it, instead of satanize it, and help the southern neighbor to further improve it's economy, thus reducing the migrant flow.


An average renters home can easily house up to ten people working on a budget, and just because they are Spanish has nothing to do with them being illegal. Of course there will be signs in Spanish in this country, WE ARE THE LARGEST MINORITY IN THIS COUNTRY. As far as all the garbage around, Corona bottles does not mean illegal Mexicans are the only ones who drink this stuff. Go to any decent party with young people these days and you will likely find Coronas there as well.
Glad to see not all US citizens think the way Escro does. The Corona thing is absolutely right. It's very popular even in Europe, where we have all kinds of beers, not to forget they are very good ones as well.


Unless of course you believe cleaning up your own neighborhood is below you or does not pay enough. In that case I am sure the corrupt city you believe you live in will happily pay an illegal below wage to do the job.
Unfortunately, that's a big sector of jobs that most US citizens will not do, and even though this "evil" migrants do it for them, they want them kicked out...you could legalize them, at it would all be sweet...but NO, they are evil!



All I can see is generalized slander here. No proof that ALL illegal EVERYWHERE, or the majority thereof, are trashing this country and working low wages and leeching our social services.
So now there's two of us that notice that as well...perhaps Escro could hear us out...instead of trying to flame us? Vive la difference...



posted on Aug, 23 2006 @ 06:37 AM
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All I see here is a bunch of excuses for illegal activity. The onus is not on us to accommodate them. The onus is on THEM to accommodate us. I should not have to clean my own neighborhood since it should be clean already. I should not have to wait in insane traffic because 10,000 illegals want to pack into 1000 white work vans and clog my roads. I should not have to pay twice the tax that is necessary to pay for the public services of a group of people that take but don't give.

I'm sure that the local robbers and murderers are nice people too but that doesn't mean that I'm going to go introduce myself and try to get their point of view. Both are criminals and I won't bow to accommodate them. I appreciate your advice and respect the fact that you think these ideas would work, but I have to respectfully decline.

Until you have to live in the middle of illegalville then you have no idea what you are talking about. Send me a postcard from your cushy, clean, suburban Indiana neighborhoods so I can remember how it was before the invasion.


apc

posted on Aug, 23 2006 @ 07:03 AM
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Originally posted by Escrotumus
Until you have to live in the middle of illegalville then you have no idea what you are talking about. Send me a postcard from your cushy, clean, suburban Indiana neighborhoods so I can remember how it was before the invasion.


Indeed sympathy seems to be a common position of the ignorant.

And I just love it when they try and compare to how things are in another country when it is blatently obvious they've never even been there.



posted on Aug, 23 2006 @ 04:21 PM
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Well hey, I just wanted to say that illegals are not the cause of all your guy's problems, and should not all be generalized into one big category.

But honestly, I think if our government offered the Mexican people the option of statehood, that the many would actually be up for it. I see the big attitudes you guys carry is that illegal immigrants are scumbag garbage who are not even worth sympathizing for. You do not even stop to think that they are people, and many of them are good people just looking for a better way of life. Something better to offer their children for the future. But hey, if you hate em you hate em. Each person has a name and a story, they are not just illegal immigrant#123456 who should see no mercy or be heard at all. They are humans, and you should not blindly hatre them all because a few bad apples you have had experience with.

I just think you should at least try to get to know a couple of the people personally and hear their stories like any other citizen before you judge and persecute them. Especially considering you say you are surrounded by them. Rather than seeing enemies, make them your friends. staying on the offensive is only going to hurt your blood pressure, and probably will not accomplish much seeing as you want somebody else to take care of the problem.

This'll be my last post for this thread, talk to you in another fellas


-Always look up and have hope


apc

posted on Aug, 23 2006 @ 06:08 PM
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What, no comment on my pointing out your huuuuuge hypocrisy? Everytime I show how flat out wrong you are, or how you contradict yourself, or how overwhelmingly ignorant your statements are... you just ignore it like "I never said that! I'm perfect!" Typical...

And I got to know a few. I got to know their cokehead customers, too. I got to know their trash, as I crunched across it on my way to work in the morning.

Their oh so sad story: "uhhh I come here with this slut so she can have some babies and get welfare while I sell coke and crack to my other illegal buddies. I don't really give a crap about you, remember 'God gave this land to all of us' so I belong here too."

When someone tries to force their way into my home, they are my enemy. When someone vomits all over my window because they're on too many drugs, they are my enemy. Hell, at this point, anyone who drives around with a Mexican flag tacked up in the back window blasting "latin beats" through a residential area at 6am, tossing beer cans and trash out the window, is my enemy.

I get that not all illegals are like this. But every single one Ive ever known that came from Mexico has been. I don't care about someone who let their visa expire or whatever. I care about the ones who began their "life" here by sneaking across our border. I care about the ones who demand citizenship, and spit in the faces of those who came here legally. Those, I wouldn't mind escorting back across the border at gunpoint. There's few disrespectful actions greater than trespassing. And such severe disrespect deserves severe treatment.

Why dont you, DYepes, go live in a dense illegal alien area for a year. Then maybe you'll quit ranting about things you know nothing about. Probably too much to hope for.

[edit on 23-8-2006 by apc]



posted on Aug, 23 2006 @ 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by DYepes
Aelita while those obvious experiences you have cited may be true
they do not represent 51% of the illegal community, and therefore cannot be considered the majority of illegals.


I really don't care whether it's 33% or 67%. It does not convert illegal into legal.


there is an estimated number of milliosnof illegals, but somehow we cannot find the MAJORITY of them.


Sheesh this is a weak argument. First of all, there is lobby that prevent any real measures taken. Read about it. Then, there are thousands of various criminals in this country that still cannot be apprehended by the authorities. Does this mean they have "adapted" and should therefore automatically get a pardon?


Even if you go to a predominately Hispanic part of town, the majority of that part of town will not be littered with garbage any more than any other laregly segregated part of an American city


OMG your criteria for granting citizenship is awefully simple.


Jeez Aelita, you are truly an evil person.


Why? Because I care about the law in this country and can't stand when it's plundered?



because their paperwork got lost in the system when they came to this country years ago?


It seems like you are picking some highly untypical case to support your absurd viewpoint. As an immigrant, I have an ample experience with the "system" and know how hard dealing with it can be. I also know that paperwork VERY seldom gets irretrievably lost, and besides there are always lawyers to help you in case that does happen.


[edit on 23-8-2006 by Aelita]



posted on Aug, 23 2006 @ 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by DYepes
Escrotumus, we are a democracy.


The US is a Republic.

It is stated right in the "Pledge of Allegiance".



[edit on 23/8/06 by Keyhole]



posted on Aug, 23 2006 @ 09:36 PM
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Originally posted by apc
What, no comment on my pointing out your huuuuuge hypocrisy? Everytime I show how flat out wrong you are, or how you contradict yourself, or how overwhelmingly ignorant your statements are... you just ignore it like "I never said that! I'm perfect!" Typical...

And I got to know a few. I got to know their cokehead customers, too. I got to know their trash, as I crunched across it on my way to work in the morning.

Their oh so sad story: "uhhh I come here with this slut so she can have some babies and get welfare while I sell coke and crack to my other illegal buddies. I don't really give a crap about you, remember 'God gave this land to all of us' so I belong here too."

When someone tries to force their way into my home, they are my enemy. When someone vomits all over my window because they're on too many drugs, they are my enemy. Hell, at this point, anyone who drives around with a Mexican flag tacked up in the back window blasting "latin beats" through a residential area at 6am, tossing beer cans and trash out the window, is my enemy.

I get that not all illegals are like this. But every single one Ive ever known that came from Mexico has been. I don't care about someone who let their visa expire or whatever. I care about the ones who began their "life" here by sneaking across our border. I care about the ones who demand citizenship, and spit in the faces of those who came here legally. Those, I wouldn't mind escorting back across the border at gunpoint. There's few disrespectful actions greater than trespassing. And such severe disrespect deserves severe treatment.

Why dont you, DYepes, go live in a dense illegal alien area for a year. Then maybe you'll quit ranting about things you know nothing about. Probably too much to hope for.

[edit on 23-8-2006 by apc]




And with that....I am done with ATS.



posted on Aug, 23 2006 @ 09:57 PM
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Wow! What a country. A country at war , a country who's borders have more holes than swiss cheese, and allows people to sue on the behalf of lawbreakers?

What a country.

I'm proud of this Republic, short lived as it will be. One's only gotta look at prisons full of illegals to say " wow, I'm not braindead, this current ignorance of our immigration policy is a good thing." So what if they bring their gangs and drugs and disease. It's a good thing, my tomatoes are 5 cents cheaper and I feel warm and fuzzy inside but wait,a small percentage of farm work now a days is done by Mexicans and will effect the price of my tomatoes... Oh well.

Mr. Bush, you suck. You say you're strong on terrorism and yet allow our borders to be swiss cheese in order to give your buddies cheap labor. It'll be a good day when you are gone. That's why I love this country because you are gone in two years. Hopefully the next President protects us better than you.



posted on Aug, 23 2006 @ 10:20 PM
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Originally posted by Keyhole
Just to break this down to simpler terms, again, isn't it Illegal to be an Illegal immigrant in every country in the world.

So being Illegal just to be in a country, shouldn't it be Illegal to give them jobs, and Illegal to give them shelter.

Couldn't giving them shelter (a place to stay, a rental home/apartment, while knowing they are illegal immigrants), be considered as Harboring a Fugitive.

It really shouldn't matter what the country of origin they are from.

Just because they might have gotten lost in The System doesn't give them the right to live here Illegally.


In my opinion, it should be illegal to give a job to someone who will not pay taxes and contribute to the system. Also it's unfair to have companies paying normal wages to legal residents (obliged to pay taxes) who cannot compete with other companies employing illegals for much lower wages.

When it comes to give a shelter, I stick to my idea that it shouldn't be illegal to harbor anyone, but it should be made illegal not to report foreigners residing in your property.


apc

posted on Aug, 24 2006 @ 06:53 AM
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Originally posted by MrPenny
And with that....I am done with ATS.


Does the truth disturb you that much?! It's not surprising since you've made it clear you had no comprehension of the reality of the situation... but wow... to run away in the face of it. That's pretty awesome.

Besides... my opinions are just that... mine. ATS has nothing to do with them. I suspect you'll stick around.



posted on Aug, 24 2006 @ 06:58 AM
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And with that....I am done with ATS.


If you run that easily after your argument is defeated then we don't need you anyway. Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.



posted on Aug, 24 2006 @ 07:49 PM
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Ok I will post one more, just because you want me too sooo bad. Neither one of you are in a government position, and neither one of you have never held a government job relevant to the issue at hand. THIS I KNOW WITHOUT HAVING TO ASK.

Our country is still running almost exactly the same if not better than what it was ten years ago. Regardless of whatever lobby is doing what, those who are in a leadership position in this government know how to do so, and are doing it. Niehter one of you are. If you really want to have anything done about any of this, you will work your way to replacing those in charge. Although, and I say this laughing, you will NEVER change anything with the current attitudes and misconceptions you currently harbor.

"thank you government, and God Bless America!!" I now bow to the ground and kiss my land. I am happy, and do not let hate cloud my mind. I allow those who run this country run it wisely. Because if I were able to, I would be doing it. I am not, and therefore thank those who keep our homeland beautiful, without resorting to the hate of a group of people and preaching that hate without actually taking any action towards solving my hateful issues with that group.

I will deny hate, regardless of the target. Yall who choose to do so may continue to do so, but I strongly suggest perhaps talking about your personal issues with those who will make a difference, rather than preaching your hate of an entire group of people to an audience who can only swallow what you thow at them and try not to let the evil thoughts infect our souls.

Do not worry, I try hard not to judge those who hate, this will not necessarily affect my opinion on you as a person. I am sure you do actually try and do a few good things in your own community which is what really counts. How you help those around you, even if its just a few you choose for whatever reasons you have.

Anything further directed towards me regarding this thread I will gladly respond to in a U2U.


apc

posted on Aug, 24 2006 @ 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by DYepes
More states means we will have more power to stop tyranny and oppression in the world.


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Originally posted by DYepes
Making them a state will also give us the ability to squash that rediculous Aztlan group once and for all and no more worries about reuniting the homeland BS.


Please comment, oh enlightened one.



posted on Aug, 24 2006 @ 09:15 PM
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Escrotumus, we are a democracy.


REPLY: Ummmm, no ..... America is a Representative Constitutional Republic; Never a Democracy, and hopefully never will be.


We are the government, you and I and everyone else.


REPLY: Ummmm, no .... we elect the members of our government to represent us.


Unfortunately, that's a big sector of jobs that most US citizens will not do


REPLY: No, that's not true of many people. And, if we'd end Welfare, those jobs would gladly be taken by (previously lazy) citizens.


You do not even stop to think that they are people, and many of them are good people just looking for a better way of life. Something better to offer their children for the future.


REPLY: If they stayed in their own country and fixed the political problems there, they would be doing a better service to their families, and their fellow countrymen as well.


Even if you go to a predominately Hispanic part of town,


REPLY: Sorry....... there's no such thing as an "Hispanic" person. That is just a name the Left came up with so as to pander to a whole group of people.

By MrPenny:
"And with that....I am done with ATS."

REPLY: Bye!



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