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Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Here is an idea, let the US government take over Mexico. Mexico can be a part of the United States. Then they wouldn't have to come over here. From the looks of things, no one except the Mexican government would care.
I'd be happy to prove it to you. Come visit me 25 miles southwest of DC and take a tour of my town and I'll show you all the proof you need. Spanish signs everywhere, construction workers that don't speak a word of english, dirty neighborhoods that used to be clean, corona bottles littering the streets, real estate taxes higher than ANY other city in Virginia (verified), 4 or 5 people to a house with some sneaking around in the shadows. All good people mind you as there have been no crime problems in my neighborhood (so far), but still many MANY illegals here that the government turns a blind eye to. I majored in Criminal Justice in college so needless to say I have a strong sense of adhering to the law. There is no gray area here. There is only black and white. Either you are a citizen, or you are a lawbreaker. PERIOD.
Originally posted by DYepes
More states means we will have more power to stop tyranny and oppression in the world.
Originally posted by DYepes
Making them a state will also give us the ability to squash that rediculous Aztlan group once and for all and no more worries about reuniting the homeland BS.
Originally posted by Aelita
Strictly speaking, the law passed in Hazelton is just against harboring violators. Striking it down would probably need a specific case when an illegal was denied job or housing. So somebody has to come forward and certify to the authorities that they are indeed illegals. Interesting.
Originally posted by DYepes
Again, you are generalizing the same way APC did earlier. MOSt illegals in the country, because of the obvious sheer numbers, go unnoticed BECAUSE of the FACT they have adapted!! I mean, if you can prove that %51 or more of ALL illegal immigrants residences are dumps, do not even speak a lick of English, leeching welfare, and/or soley committing crime, than you may be no to something.
Until then, you are no better than one who accuses all homosexuals of being perverts,
Let me show you an example of how generalizing is wrong. Many people, that is American citizens, consider trailer parks "redneck dumps".
Originally posted by MrPenny
I think, maybe, DYepes reads the same message I do from some posters. Its a message of mean bigotry. "Some of the illegal immigrants won't assimilate into this country, or commit crimes, or group together where they are comfortable, so all of them are bad."
An average renters home can easily house up to ten people working on a budget, and just because they are Spanish has nothing to do with them being illegal. Of course there will be signs in Spanish in this country, WE ARE THE LARGEST MINORITY IN THIS COUNTRY. As far as all the garbage around, Corona bottles does not man illegal Mexicans are the only ones who drink this stuff. Go to any decent party with young people these days and you will likely find Coronas there as well.
If you have a criminal justice degree put it to use and start reporting any violations of the law and get people busted. Of course if you start reporting every house with Hispanics you may find yourself on the other end of a lawsuit. I mean I do not know what kind of neighborhood you live in, but I cannot see how a bunch of low paid illegal are able to afford the highest real estate taxes in Virginia, especially when many people claim that they spend all their money on booze and drugs with a little bit left over for food AND rent. Oh wait, they must ALL be on section eight because they have 4-5 people to a house, and do not speak English. That must be why your taxes are so high.
What you are seeing is a small minority of people in your neighborhood, illegal or not, that are bad mannered In your opinion and trash the neighborhood. If you think your area is dirty take some action as a citizen and clean it up. I take a garbage can on wheels around my neighborhood once a week when I am walking my dog with my fiancé. Unless of course you believe cleaning up your own neighborhood is below you or does not pay enough. In that case I am sure the corrupt city you believe you live in will happily pay an illegal below wage to do the job.
All I can see is generalized slander here. No proof that ALL illegal EVERYWHERE, or the majority thereof, are trashing this country and working low wages and leeching our social services.
I've agreed with you in some points, though I really doubt Mexicans would like to do that. Actually, that would never happen, even if the US would be willing (not in my lifetime at least), I can't see the Mexicans willing to be part of the US...(not in my lifetime or future children and grandchildren).
Originally posted by DYepes Exactly what I have been saying. Rebuilding a country with peace will stimulate an economy the same as, if not more so than rebuilding one with war. Not to mention the huge workforce who will just be so proud to now be part of America and doing something for their homeland.
Glad to see not all US citizens think the way Escro does. The Corona thing is absolutely right. It's very popular even in Europe, where we have all kinds of beers, not to forget they are very good ones as well.
An average renters home can easily house up to ten people working on a budget, and just because they are Spanish has nothing to do with them being illegal. Of course there will be signs in Spanish in this country, WE ARE THE LARGEST MINORITY IN THIS COUNTRY. As far as all the garbage around, Corona bottles does not mean illegal Mexicans are the only ones who drink this stuff. Go to any decent party with young people these days and you will likely find Coronas there as well.
Unfortunately, that's a big sector of jobs that most US citizens will not do, and even though this "evil" migrants do it for them, they want them kicked out...you could legalize them, at it would all be sweet...but NO, they are evil!
Unless of course you believe cleaning up your own neighborhood is below you or does not pay enough. In that case I am sure the corrupt city you believe you live in will happily pay an illegal below wage to do the job.
So now there's two of us that notice that as well...perhaps Escro could hear us out...instead of trying to flame us? Vive la difference...
All I can see is generalized slander here. No proof that ALL illegal EVERYWHERE, or the majority thereof, are trashing this country and working low wages and leeching our social services.
Originally posted by Escrotumus
Until you have to live in the middle of illegalville then you have no idea what you are talking about. Send me a postcard from your cushy, clean, suburban Indiana neighborhoods so I can remember how it was before the invasion.
Originally posted by DYepes
Aelita while those obvious experiences you have cited may be true
they do not represent 51% of the illegal community, and therefore cannot be considered the majority of illegals.
there is an estimated number of milliosnof illegals, but somehow we cannot find the MAJORITY of them.
Even if you go to a predominately Hispanic part of town, the majority of that part of town will not be littered with garbage any more than any other laregly segregated part of an American city
Jeez Aelita, you are truly an evil person.
because their paperwork got lost in the system when they came to this country years ago?
Originally posted by DYepes
Escrotumus, we are a democracy.
Originally posted by apc
What, no comment on my pointing out your huuuuuge hypocrisy? Everytime I show how flat out wrong you are, or how you contradict yourself, or how overwhelmingly ignorant your statements are... you just ignore it like "I never said that! I'm perfect!" Typical...
And I got to know a few. I got to know their cokehead customers, too. I got to know their trash, as I crunched across it on my way to work in the morning.
Their oh so sad story: "uhhh I come here with this slut so she can have some babies and get welfare while I sell coke and crack to my other illegal buddies. I don't really give a crap about you, remember 'God gave this land to all of us' so I belong here too."
When someone tries to force their way into my home, they are my enemy. When someone vomits all over my window because they're on too many drugs, they are my enemy. Hell, at this point, anyone who drives around with a Mexican flag tacked up in the back window blasting "latin beats" through a residential area at 6am, tossing beer cans and trash out the window, is my enemy.
I get that not all illegals are like this. But every single one Ive ever known that came from Mexico has been. I don't care about someone who let their visa expire or whatever. I care about the ones who began their "life" here by sneaking across our border. I care about the ones who demand citizenship, and spit in the faces of those who came here legally. Those, I wouldn't mind escorting back across the border at gunpoint. There's few disrespectful actions greater than trespassing. And such severe disrespect deserves severe treatment.
Why dont you, DYepes, go live in a dense illegal alien area for a year. Then maybe you'll quit ranting about things you know nothing about. Probably too much to hope for.
[edit on 23-8-2006 by apc]
Originally posted by Keyhole
Just to break this down to simpler terms, again, isn't it Illegal to be an Illegal immigrant in every country in the world.
So being Illegal just to be in a country, shouldn't it be Illegal to give them jobs, and Illegal to give them shelter.
Couldn't giving them shelter (a place to stay, a rental home/apartment, while knowing they are illegal immigrants), be considered as Harboring a Fugitive.
It really shouldn't matter what the country of origin they are from.
Just because they might have gotten lost in The System doesn't give them the right to live here Illegally.
Originally posted by MrPenny
And with that....I am done with ATS.
And with that....I am done with ATS.
Originally posted by DYepes
More states means we will have more power to stop tyranny and oppression in the world.
Originally posted by DYepes
Making them a state will also give us the ability to squash that rediculous Aztlan group once and for all and no more worries about reuniting the homeland BS.
Escrotumus, we are a democracy.
We are the government, you and I and everyone else.
Unfortunately, that's a big sector of jobs that most US citizens will not do
You do not even stop to think that they are people, and many of them are good people just looking for a better way of life. Something better to offer their children for the future.
Even if you go to a predominately Hispanic part of town,