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Racial Profiling Of Muslims

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posted on Aug, 18 2006 @ 12:45 AM
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To make this clear. Nobody thinks all Muslims want to kill us and cause terror. However extremists int he religion do. And it is far more likely for a young middle eastern male to be a terrorist than an middle aged white woman. It's just a fact.



TG

posted on Aug, 18 2006 @ 04:17 AM
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Its not at all racist. Supposing all terrorist acts were carried out by little old women then security would watch them closely. Would that be racist? Of course not. But they're most carried out by muslim extremists so isnt it common sense to watch them closely? How anyone can say its racist is beyond me.



posted on Aug, 18 2006 @ 04:25 AM
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I'd like to apologize to my friends here for having said some crude things. I hope you will all forgive me. I am not a racist and i spoke out of line.
I spoke out of frustration and i'm sorry i offended some.

Thank you.

DGtempe



posted on Aug, 18 2006 @ 05:40 AM
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Originally posted by tommy1979
Muslims,....good muslims,,, need to make very vocal their displeasure of these evil muslims. Also when all these current terrorist acts and murders and bombings stop being done by muslims then they can complain about profiling


Through what outlet? There any many who speak against terrorism, but very few get any air time.

Not all the terrorist acts within the US have been caused by Muslims. Infact, the most recent attacks have been caused by groups other than Muslims: JDL, KKK, and Seas of David (Miami Seven).


Speaking of terrorism, can anyone explain to me why is it that America has forgoten the Anthrax incedent? I haven't heard anything else on the news about it, and no suspect has even been named.

[edit on 18-8-2006 by DJMessiah]



posted on Aug, 18 2006 @ 08:46 AM
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If you think its only "extremist muslims" who are behind terrorist attacks then your sold. Hook line and sinker.

I could post a bunch of non "extremist" Muslims but I dont feel like it and google will provide you with more than enough.

But since thats the only group the media tends to focus on, i guess they're our only threat and we should feel comfortable to know that we're "stopping terrorism" by treating these people this way.

Whatever makes you sleep better at night huh.



posted on Aug, 18 2006 @ 11:06 AM
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I have a full, unkempt (I don't comb or trim it at all, ever, simply because I choose not to) beard and long, uncut hair. Friends tell me I look like the leader of Hezbollah apart from my significantly paler complexion. I'm not Muslim.

Every time I've been on a plane since 9-11 (five trips in all,) I've been "randomly" called aside and searched both on my way to a destination, and on my way home. This has been the case with both the initial and connecting flights as well, so that's four times per trip. That means I've been "randomly" searched a total of twenty times. I am a pacifest and would sooner die than harm or kill anyone. Meanwhile, suppose someone who did intend harm looked different and had been allowed on the plane. Would this indicate that profiling works? I think not.

People either claim there is no profiling, or use justifications such as, "the majority of non-Muslims wouldn't try to blow up a plane." Apart from the fact that while that may seem likely it is technically (until statistically proved beyond a shadow of a doubt) a supposition, I am a non-Muslim. It also doesn't take into account that there are more Muslims in the world than all but one other religious demographic (please correct me if I'm wrong, as I am by no means an expert.) In terms of percentage, can we conclusively state that there are more likely to be terrorists among the Muslim population than others? Has this really been proved?

My point is that anytime we start conducting practices that are based on arbitrary assumptions for the sake of convenience or ease, we leave the door open to abuse and discrimination. Profiling of any kind is discrimination when, as in this case, it is predicated on a supposition which may or may not be true. That is my opinion.



posted on Aug, 18 2006 @ 03:22 PM
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I'd like to say the Sun pointed out an article of several young Muslim professionals who all agree with profiling days after the other report was brought out (many may say the Sun isn't the best of sources yet the original post was made from an article in the Sun).

IMO, I hate the idea of the title of this thread. It isn't just Muslims!! I am white, yet if I entered an airport with a rucksackandacted suspiciously, paying in cash for a one way trip and acted nervous, I too would expect to be searched. I hate the idea that colour is brought into the situation, it isn't just colour/ creed. That is one of many factors contributing to the overall outcome of profile searching.



posted on Aug, 19 2006 @ 12:35 AM
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Originally posted by grimreaper797

Originally posted by ivansusanin2
If the United States sold the land, and Alaska was under another government which handed it off to them. Also, if they'd turn Alaska from a snow covered tundra into an industrialised, prosperous territory. I don't think your comparison is apt, though.


like to show me where israel paid for the land?


here you go

"The first wave of modern immigration to Israel, or Aliyah (עלייה) started in 1881 as Jews fled persecution, or followed the Socialist Zionist ideas of Moses Hess and others of "redemption of the soil." Jews bought land from Ottoman and individual Arab landholders. After Jews established agricultural settlements, tensions erupted between the Jews and Arabs." en.wikipedia.org...

Don't trust wikipedia? Here:

"The land of Israel was bought with good money. On this land the pioneers, sons of merchants and usurers, tilled the field in the sweat of their brows." www.globalecho.org...



posted on Aug, 19 2006 @ 12:39 AM
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Racial profiling, maybe. Though they should consider it more as religious profiling. Esp when it's related to terrorism, because without a doubt, islam is the religion that fuels most terrorists in the world.



posted on Aug, 19 2006 @ 02:17 AM
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Originally posted by laiguana
Racial profiling, maybe. Though they should consider it more as religious profiling. Esp when it's related to terrorism, because without a doubt, islam is the religion that fuels most terrorists in the world.


Tell us which part of Islam does this, and please back your claims that 'Islam fuels the most terrorists in the world' with sources

[edit on 19-8-2006 by DJMessiah]



posted on Aug, 19 2006 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by thesaint
I noticed this in the press today. Dont know if anyone else has posted of this.

It says security at airports etc are to target young Muslims for security checks.

I cant see the muslim community being happy with this this seems like racism at its highest. Is this the way things need to go in order for everyone to feel safe.

Im all for makiing it safe and performing the neccasary checks but if this comes into action i can see relations between ourselves and Muslims getting out of hand

www.thesun.co.uk...



Mod Edit: All Caps Title – Please Review This Link.

[edit on 8/15/2006 by 12m8keall2c]



Then what do you propose we do? Profile everyone for terrorist threats, even old, white grannies?
LOL! Just picture that: Grandma is at an airport, bound for vacation, when suddenly, a security officer stops her and says: “Ma’am, we think you have explosives in your purse! Hand ‘em over now!” 15 minutes after doing a long, thorough search, the only things the security office could find were Viagra, the new “Make-your-self-look-30-years-younger” make-up, and a bag of cigarettes. The delay was such a hold-up, that granny missed her flight! And the ridiculous thing was the fact that the whole thing was highly unnecessary—plus a total and utter waste of time—because she was an old, white woman; the last person you’d suspect to blow up an air-plane with the ambition of being rewarded with 72 virgin women shortly after death!

Look, man, you’re completely out-of-touch with reality. Are you from Mars, or something? Profiling Arabs and other Muslims at air-ports is not only necessary, but it’s also just plain common sense.

Political Correctness has disillusioned your mind.



posted on Aug, 19 2006 @ 01:39 PM
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the last person you’d suspect to blow up an air-plane with the ambition of being rewarded with 72 virgin women shortly after death!

Political Correctness has disillusioned your mind.


hahaha well said

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[edit on 19/8/2006 by Umbrax]



posted on Aug, 19 2006 @ 01:45 PM
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Look, man, you’re completely out-of-touch with reality. Are you from Mars, or something? Profiling Arabs and other Muslims at air-ports is not only necessary, but it’s also just plain common sense.

Political Correctness has disillusioned your mind.


Sorry my friend but the same could be used against your fear based attitude.

What are the chances that a terrorist is going to be on your next flight? I would say about zero.
That doesnt stop the media and people like you though. You would have us believe that terrorist and lined up heel-and-toe waiting to get on the next flight so they can be a part of the next 9/11.

This unrealistic attitude is exactly why terrorism works. You take a highly unprobable event and magnify it thousands of times to create this mass panic.
So instead of sacrificing our morales of treating people equally, how about we stick to the issue of combating the extremist idealogy (which gives birth to terrorism), and racial profiling isnt the solution.

[edit on 19-8-2006 by xEphon]



posted on Aug, 19 2006 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by AceWombat04
I have a full, unkempt (I don't comb or trim it at all, ever, simply because I choose not to) beard and long, uncut hair. Friends tell me I look like the leader of Hezbollah apart from my significantly paler complexion. I'm not Muslim.



(Note: I had to cut your quote down so my post wouldn't exceed the character limit; sorry.)

That’s a decent, intelligent argument, and I can see where you’re coming from, but I still disagree:

You want statistics to prove that Muslims are more likely to commit acts of terror, particularly in Western countries, than non-Muslims. That’s a reasonable thing to say; but then again, there aren’t any statistics that, according to my knowledge, prove that Muslims are not more likely to engage in terrorist acts than non-Muslims.

In cases where statistics or studies haven’t been conducted to prove something, circumstantial variables should be taken into account. Certainly you’ve observed that all of the perpetrators of the 9/11 atrocity were Muslims, who, if I remember correctly, were of Arab, Egyptian and Lebanese descent; and you certainly observed that the 7/7 attacks on your own soil were carried out by Muslims, with only a small minority being white Muslims. Taking this into account, don’t you think that it’s ridiculous to say that Christians, particularly Western Christians, are just as likely to carry out acts of terror as Muslims? In my opinion it is; and even more so if you take into account cultural and economic and religious differences or inequalities.


Here are some statistics that you might want to take a look at:

www.ukpollingreport.co.uk...

www.channel4.com...

“* 48% never attend a mosque, while 10% attend seven or more times a week
* 30% would like to live under sharia law and 54% under British law
* 28% would like to see Britian become an Islamic state
* 78% support punishing the people who published the 'Danish cartoons'
* 49% think British people who insult Islam should be arrested and prosecuted
* 9% of respondents could be classified as hardcore Islamists, and this does not vary greatly by gender, age or social class
* Only 29% of Muslims believe the Holocaust happened as history teaches it
* 45% of British Muslims believe 9/11 was a conspiracy between Israel and the USA, with only 20% saying it was not a conspiracy
* 22% of British Muslims thought the 7/7 bombings were justified
* 56% say there is no truth at all to the idea Islam treats women as second class citizens
* However 55% say wives should always obey their husbands”



posted on Aug, 19 2006 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by xEphon



Look, man, you’re completely out-of-touch with reality. Are you from Mars, or something? Profiling Arabs and other Muslims at air-ports is not only necessary, but it’s also just plain common sense.

Political Correctness has disillusioned your mind.


Sorry my friend but the same could be used against your fear based attitude.

What are the chances that a terrorist is going to be on your next flight? I would say about zero.
That doesnt stop the media and people like you though. You would have us believe that terrorist and lined up heel-and-toe waiting to get on the next flight so they can be a part of the next 9/11.

This unrealistic attitude is exactly why terrorism works. You take a highly unprobable event and magnify it thousands of times to create this mass panic.
So instead of sacrificing our morales of treating people equally, how about we stick to the issue of combating the extremist idealogy (which gives birth to terrorism), and racial profiling isnt the solution.

[edit on 19-8-2006 by xEphon]



Sorry, I must not have clarified my views or ideas sufficiently, because, judging from the assumptions you made in regard toward viewpoints, it seems as though you’re thinking that I’m thinking a certain way, when in reality I’m not thinking in that particular way: My viewpoint of terrorism, along with all the other issues that surround it, isn’t an irrational, illogical paranoia that stems from baseless foolishness.

While an act of terrorism is a likelihood—a realistic expectation in today’s post-9/11 world—there are probably negligible chances of a terrorist act happening on an air-plane; the reason being because of the massive security measures taken after the W.T.C. atrocity.

Moreover, the circumstantial issues surrounding my country, the U.S.A., are much different than the ones in the U.K. We have a defenseless border that well over 3 million people cross illegally per year; and, according to our Immigration Customs Enforcement (or Border Patrol) agency, who give annual reports of the demographics of criminals, which would include border-crossers, show sufficient data, which has been published on their site and re-published by various organizations, that Muslims, particularly Arabs, are a minority of border-crossers. Estimates are placed at approximately twenty percent. With this in mind, and taking in the consideration that whenever you have a presence of Muslims, however slight, there will always have a certain percentage of them who uphold contemptuous attitudes in regard towards the Western way-of-life (read the Channel 4 survey in my previous post); and thus, the chances of a terrorist act in the U.S. are greater than that of the U.K., so I have reason to worry more about terrorism than British folks do. (Again: my views in regard to terrorism don’t stem from baseless irrationality, but from logical conclusions.)

[edit on 19-8-2006 by James1221]

[edit on 19-8-2006 by James1221]



posted on Aug, 19 2006 @ 06:46 PM
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No way is this racist the fact is suicide bombers are muslims, why stop white people, west indians, chinese, finnish, dutch or whoever when the perpitrators are from the muslim community? In the early 70,s when the ira threat was at its highest the irish community were singled out as ira terrorists tended to come from ireland. There was no outcry of racism from the irish communities, but then we didnt live in a crazy country where political correctness eats away at the fabric of our society and stops us from removing these threats from society, talking of racism surely then the black police officers association is racist? Imagine a white equiviolent?



posted on Aug, 19 2006 @ 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by bellevueace
No way is this racist the fact is suicide bombers are muslims, why stop white people, west indians, chinese, finnish, dutch or whoever when the perpitrators are from the muslim community? In the early 70,s when the ira threat was at its highest the irish community were singled out as ira terrorists tended to come from ireland. There was no outcry of racism from the irish communities, but then we didnt live in a crazy country where political correctness eats away at the fabric of our society and stops us from removing these threats from society, talking of racism surely then the black police officers association is racist? Imagine a white equiviolent?


just to point out stop being ignorant fool

white people can be muslim
black people can be muslim
chineese people can be muslim


comment directed at anyone that doesnt know anything about muslim V
boy this place is full of ignorant racist fools



posted on Aug, 20 2006 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by James1221
You want statistics to prove that Muslims are more likely to commit acts of terror, particularly in Western countries, than non-Muslims. That’s a reasonable thing to say; but then again, there aren’t any statistics that, according to my knowledge, prove that Muslims are not more likely to engage in terrorist acts than non-Muslims.

In cases where statistics or studies haven’t been conducted to prove something, circumstantial variables should be taken into account. Certainly you’ve observed that all of the perpetrators of the 9/11 atrocity were Muslims, who, if I remember correctly, were of Arab, Egyptian and Lebanese descent; and you certainly observed that the 7/7 attacks on your own soil were carried out by Muslims, with only a small minority being white Muslims. Taking this into account, don’t you think that it’s ridiculous to say that Christians, particularly Western Christians, are just as likely to carry out acts of terror as Muslims? In my opinion it is; and even more so if you take into account cultural and economic and religious differences or inequalities.


Surely you can post more than two instances that proves your theory true. I can show you that for every terrorist who you've deem "Muslim," who's attacked a western country, that there are many more instances of non-Muslims carrying out a terrorist attack. Let the numbers speak, friend. Post your data to support your argument.



posted on Aug, 20 2006 @ 11:05 AM
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I would like to offer this link as my reply to this thread...

Over 1 Billion Muslims and Growing



posted on Aug, 20 2006 @ 03:49 PM
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the more we profile a certain race of muslims, the more we'll get 1 legged old ladies as terrorists.

i hate to say it, but groups like al-qaeda are crafty, so profiling will be a temporary solution.



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