Originally posted by thesaint
i can see relations between ourselves and Muslims getting out of hand

Too late.

And yes, it's racist, but not racism at its highest. Not in my opinion, anyway. And it's not because I think the Muslims are any danger to us, it's just what the government wants us to believe.

This is a problem, but with the state of the world being what it is today, this is the least of our worries.

But I agree with you, it isn't right.

I'm all in favour. If a large number of bombs were being set of by, say, one legged men, should everyone get searched regardless of the character profiling of terrorists?

Perhaps it is racist, but we know the majority of white people will not board a plane and blow themselves and others up. Many may dispute this, but it is a fact.

Providing the searching is done in a professional manner, I do not see a problem with this.

its pretty stupid to search the 17 year old girl wearing the Harvard sweatshirt when standing behind her is a 30 something muslim guy clutching the Qur'an, sweating with the weird glint in his eye and looking over his shoulder; maybe hes the one you should search.

i know ill get ish for this, but dont get me wrong. im not trying to be racist, but sometimes your looking for a certain type of person. not all racial profiling is good, but sometimes its necessary. im not saying that all the muslims will enjoy this, but ya know what, sometimes its better to inconvience a few instead of everyone.

And how do they tell if someone is a young Muslim? His skin color? Skin color doesn’t determine religion, affiliation, or intent.
This is racism. Racial profiling is racism period.

This is also a free pass to everyone else who want to transport drugs bombs or whatever if they are not brown in color.

Ex-Scotland Yard chief Lord Stevens said the controversial move would help reduce check-in chaos

Racisim for convienience. Briliant.
For all those in favor. Wait ‘till it is your day to be singled out just because of the color of your skin. This is sick.

No, it isn't racist. After 7/7 the police had to check an equal cross section of commuters at train stations; white grannies through to young asian males. That is just stupid. They should check anyone that fits the profile -- which includes young white and black males too, as several of the previous terrorists have been non asian.

What is it with people who are overly politically correct, I really am starting to find them somewhat irritating. I mean come-on, ba ba rainbow sheep? Winterval? Please find something else to complain about.

The profiling technique would pick out people behaving suspiciously, those with an unusual travel pattern and people from certain ethnic or religious backgrounds.

In the same respect a white person acting nervous would be searched- or someone with irregular travel patterns. This is all part of the terrorist profiling. Not just skin colour.

As for racism- well much of the risk is from young (20's) asian men. As the report says an Asian family(40's) going on holiday do not fit the character profile and shouldn't be searched.

Originally posted by Knights
Perhaps it is racist, but we know the majority of white people will not board a plane and blow themselves and others up. Many may dispute this, but it is a fact.

Tha majority of any people will not board a plane and blow themselves and others up.

Black men make up for the majority on Americans prisons. Lets check them at the front door of every grocery store just incase they are there to rob the place.

Many Native Americans have problems with substance abuse. Don’t let them drive they must be drunk!

So many Chinese people are smart. Why even give them tests? Just give them straight “A’s”. Unless they are trying to drive of course.

With all these priests molesting little boys we all better stay outta’ church!

Originally posted by CarlosG
No, it isn't racist.

Racial profiling is racist by its very definition. How can you say putting brown skins in the line to check and everyone else gets a free pass isn’t racist?


[edit on 15/8/2006 by Umbrax]

well bring on the racism then, it beats having to sit on a plane without my ipod.

[edit on 15-8-2006 by bokinsmowl]

Originally posted by Umbrax
Tha majority of any people will not board a plane and blow themselves and others up.

Quite true- BUT the profiling isn't attacking the whole range of people.

Black men make up for the majority on Americans prisons. Lets check them at the front door of every grocery store just incase they are there to rob the place.
Many Native Americans have problems with substance abuse. Don’t let them drive they must be drunk!
So many Chinese people are smart. Why even give them tests? Just give them straight “A’s”. Unless they are trying to drive of course.

You are using a bad example. If the policy is brought in (the chances are it won't), not all Asian men will be targetted.

Racial profiling is racist by its very definition. How can you say putting brown skins in the line to check and everyone else gets a free pass isn’t racist?

No! everyone else won't get a free pass. The searching is done at random still. A 76 year old grandmother may still get searched, but a young 20 year old boarding in Britain heading to America by himself, limited baggaging would fit the profile and get searched.

[edit on 15-8-2006 by Knights]

I am certain this will cause numerous problems with the various non-whit communities in the UK. I expect tension will increase with the communities, and if there are further cases, I expect riots.

Originally posted by CarlosG
They should check anyone that fits the profile -- which includes young white and black males too, as several of the previous terrorists have been non asian.

Well, that's not RACIAL profiling, then, is it? If they let all the young black and white men go through but only check the 'Arab-looking' men, that's racial profiling.

Actually, random searching is the best because then anyone (even an old grandma) who has ill-intent knows that they may be searched. If they're only searching a certain race or religion (Muslim is a religion, not a race) then Grandma is safe smuggling anything she wants.

And as Knights pointed out, they're using several criteria to profile, but I still think it's dangerous. It's like making baby food the exception to the liquid ban. How long did it take for people to start making baby food bombs?

first, let me say that i am much more concerned about being blown to piecse in midflight, than the possibility that grandma is stowing a few grams of cocaine in a condom in her belly (very unlikely too, since there'a another whole profile for that particular crowd)

in the UK at least, racial/religious profiling happens (that the benefit of not having some liberal constitution, or at least one which is liberally interpreted) - how else do you think they foiled this plot. of course they profiled

hence, it is a very american debate at the moment. and i'm telling you, if the democrats start fighting against this, nobody is gonna take them seriously on national security issues and they will lose both in november and 2008. i am heartened though to now see a fair number of democrats and liberals arguing in favor of religious/racial profiling

and for all those who oppose it (because of some deep seated emotional abberation stemming from childhood methinks), when a girl reports that she has been raped by a 6.6ft black man who do you think the police are looking for? grandma again?

no, profiling may not "feel" cozy, but it is logical. anyone who thinks otherwise does not have the education and logical thinking patterns necessary to ever make a decision on the subject.

One of the suspected terroists detained last week was a Muslim convert who was originally a young English man. Its not the colour thats the issue its the radical faith they choose to follow so theoretically it could be a Asian man, White man, Black man, Chinese man or a woman come to think of it. These methods should be brought upon everyone for the peace of mind of the general public

Originally posted by thesaint
One of the suspected terroists detained last week was a Muslim convert who was originally a young English man. Its not the colour thats the issue its the radical faith they choose to follow so theoretically it could be a Asian man, White man, Black man, Chinese man or a woman come to think of it. These methods should be brought upon everyone for the peace of mind of the general public

the vast 'majority' of them are either middle eastern or south asian, hence, if i were in charge of law enforcement etc, that's where i would focus the 'majority' of my efforts. it's just logic, plain and simple.

Originally posted by Umbrax
And how do they tell if someone is a young Muslim? His skin color? Skin color doesn’t determine religion, affiliation, or intent.
This is racism. Racial profiling is racism period.

Bingo!!!!!!

The problem is not about muslin or not is the color of the skin.

Why?

Because lots of Latinos look like middle eastern men and they get targeted too!!!!!!!

Is that fair? for none muslins because they just look alike?

Is profiling and is Wrong

So what color or how you should look like as no to be targeted?

Can somebody tell me?

What are the chances that the people thinking up and supporting these racist ideas are the Neocons, The AIPAC supporters and Pro-Israel crew? The very same people who not only attracted these terrorists to our shores , but created them as well, due to their policies. These people are more dangerous to America then the terrorists themselves. They are dragging America through the mud and causing us to become a country torn in 2. We never had problems like this until these groups started gaining political power, and corrupting our government and they are using it to attempt to control Arabs in their homelands as well as domestically. The very same people who spy on this country, and drain us of our tax dollars are trying to make laws and practices towards a people that have never been agressive towards us before, have been good citizens , good tax payers , hard workers, and making them hostile towards us and even alienating them from being able to come to this country.

At the very same the people who are supporting these laws make it easier for their own people to migrate here and recieve dual citizenship as well as the benefits that most americans enjoy. At the same time holding no allegiance to this country whatsoever.


These are the very same people who will scream anti-semetism at the slightest cristicism of Israeli policy. I guess its ok as long as its not someone who practices Judaism being the ones profiled.


Pretty soon they will be calling for all Arab-americans to be placed in Detention centers too.

Muslim is the term used to describe followers of Islam who can universaly be of any race and gender, so in reality, it's difficult to ascertain whose Muslim or not by simply racial scanning. I'm an east indian and have a beard and get easily mistaken for a muslim or someone who belongs to a fundamentalist ideology - though i'm begining to think it's my freinds being idiots and just pulling my legs by saying that; but, point held, I can easily be mistaken for one. There have not been a substantial amount of terrorist attacks from Arab Muslims in America to start such things, in fact, Americans themselves, indiscriminate of race, are more of a threat; just take a look at the crime statistics, seriously.....

Luxifero

I cant see the muslim community being happy with this this seems like racism at its highest.

I really, really don't think this is "racism at its highest."

Racial profiling Arabs before they board a plane is NOT racism at its highest... that just degrades people who HAVE actually experienced racism at its highest. (What the Nazis did to the Jews, etc...)

Anyways, however crazy it may seem, there is a logic to the racial profiling that I neither approve nor dissaprove with. According to a reporter (AND NOT BY ME) "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all those recent terrorists who threatened the U.S. WERE Muslim."