Anton LaVey & The Church of Satan, page 2

Originally posted by wagnerian21
What exactly do alchemy and tantra have to do with LaVeyan Satanism?

Nothing. Not a single thing...

...You said it yourself- 'facts are what matter'. Point me to facts- point out the logical flaws in LaVey`s work.

I originally mentioned that what people generally know as "Satanism", is none other than the worship of Jahve/Yahweh(the Klipothic demon that people mistake with Yahowah/Jehovah).

"Satan" is symbolic of certain things in Gnosticism, the main one being the ego, but is also our internal psychologial trainer that tempts or tests us, so that by comprehending and transceding said temptation, one can ascend the Spheres of the Tree of Life.

Jahve is said to be an actual demon from Klipoth(Hell Realms), the chief of demons that the Zionists worship, or is worshipped by anyone who worships desire/sense graitification; which brings us to LaVey.

You questioned it, and I provided the info to support 'my' side of the debate.

Then you started accusing Samael Aun Weor's Gnostic movement as being "new-agey", and implying that it has no basis in the timeless knowledge or Gnosis that the Sages of all Religions have passed down to Initiates since Ancient times.

Perhaps I reacted to your assertion not as constructively as I could have; but the point here is that it was relevant to the discussion.

Oh, and in regards to: "and the facts are, that if one hopes to find happiness through the unbridled feeding of sensual desire; they are going to be sorely disappointed." Hey, buddy, that`s your opinion and you`re welcome to it- but anyone who HAS found gratification through 'sensual desire' at any point in their life knows better.

Happiness and immediate gratification are not the same thing.

In fact, through trial and error, we can see that by attempting to indulge in sense gratification as much as possible, has not provided lasting happiness for anyone.

Considering that All is Interdependant, things are getting worse and worse due to people's attempts to establish and maintain excessive 'creature comforts', as there are only so many resources to go around, which means that for one to feed desire excessively, means that something has to be taken from someone else who may not even have decent living conditions.

That's just one example.

But the gist is that the ego, "me", "I", "myself"(Shaytan or Ahriman) is the cause of suffering; because to not understand the interdependant nature of people, phenomena, Man and the Universe, is to contribute to the seemingly endless cycle of war, greed, poverty, ruthless dictatorships, capitalism(and it's equally ignorant anti-thesis communism), etc.

Thus the absurdity of LaVey's assertion that independant freedom or happiness can come from feeding desire.

What the Ancient Gnostics, Buddhists, Magi, Rishis, etc. have taught is that instead of suppressing desire, we need to Transmute it.

In this way we go beyond indulgence and suppression, and we walk the Middle Way, which is that which allows All Sentient Beings to attain that which we call lasting Happiness, which has nothing to do with indulgence.

We're all free to believe what we want; but at the same time, it would be of benefit to show where dangers lie to those who seek Happiness, but have been fed the illusion that Happiness comes from indulgence in sense-gratification(the illusion fed to us through media, Satanism, politicians and even many churches, but most importantly our own minds).

Because there isn't a single Sentient Being who doesn't seek Happiness.

However we can't Realize our own Internal Happiness by not confronting and comprehending our internal ugliness either.

Satanism only provides ways to feed that inner ugliness that we all carry within which is the cause of our suffering.

Regards

[edit on 30-8-2006 by Tamahu]