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Originally posted by djohnsto77
These trees are somewhat useful, but not a total picture of the history of languages. For example, they don't show the very strong influences French and Latin had in the modern English language, it's simply presented as a German offshoot.
Oh yes it can be my friend. You have wrong information. Albanians didn't come from nowhere. They always been there. Have you ever hear about Illyrians and especialy Pellasgians?
What you're saying doesn't make any sense even languagewise
In the 1950s, the Bulgarian linguist Vladimir Georgiev published his work which demonstrated that the phonology of the Dacian language is close to the phonology of Albanian, further supporting the theory that Dacian was on the same language branch as the Albanian language, a language branch termed Daco-Moesian (or Daco-Mysian), Moesian (or Mysian) being thought of as a transitional dialect between Dacian and Thracian. There are cognates between Daco-Thracian and Albanian which may be evidence of the Daco-Thracian-Albanian language affinity, and many substratum words in Romanian have Albanian cognates.
Romanians? Huh??? Their language is latin my friend
Romanians trace their history back to 300 B.C. But Romania did not become an independent, unified country until 1861. During most of the time in-between, various foreign peoples ruled all or part of Romania.
In the years from 300 to 400 B.C., Dacian people farmed, mined gold and iron ore, and traded with neighboring peoples.
Romania was called "Dacia" during this period.
The Romans, under Emperor Trajan, conquered Dacia in A.D. 106, and made it a province of the Roman Empire. Roman soldiers occupied Dacia, and Roman colonists settled there. The Romans intermarried with the Dacians, who adopted Roman customs and the Latin language. Dacia became known as Romania because of the Roman occupation and influence.
Tracs are younger then Albanians in those lands. Remember pellasgians !!!
A research team co-directed by Erik Trinkaus, professor of anthropology at Washington University in St. Louis, has dated a human jawbone from a Romanian bear hibernation cave to between 34,000 and 36,000 years ago. That makes it the earliest known modern human fossil in Europe.
Originally posted by CX
by the looks of it, i'm sure this thread is'nt quite dead yet.
CX.
originally posted by CX
Could someone please tell me what the earliest known speakable language was?
www.krysstal.com...
Introduction to the more important language families including
Indo-European, Uralic, Altaic, Afro-Asiatic, Sino-Tibetan, Malayo-Polynesian, Niger-Congo, Dravidian and others
linguist Georgiev claims that the Pelasgians where Indo-Europeans and related to the neighbouring Thracians. He even proposes a soundshift model from Indo-European to Pelasgian.
Zacharie Mayani is not the only person that has linked Pelasgian with Albanian. Aristides P. Kollias in his books writes that the Pelasgian race is the progenitor race of Greeks and Latins, and Albanians are the only ones that preserved the words as studies from Vlora Falaschi, Giuseppe Catapano, Stanislao Marchiano, Jean Cloude Faverial, Robert D'Angely, Aristides P. Kolias, Eqrem Cabej claim. Recently another French scholar, Mathieu Aref, has put forth the claim that "the earliest Greeks" were what he terms "Pelasgo-Albanians".
Linguists are made up of 'splitters' and 'lumpers'for an obvious good reason.
Originally posted by CX
Thanks for that link Masqua I'll take a look at that in a bit.
Ok how about this extract from a Wikipedia type site.....
"Egyptologists refer to Egyptian writing as hieroglyphs, today standing as the world's earliest known writing system. The hieroglyphic script was partly syllabic, partly ideographic. Hieratic is a cursive form of Egyptian hieroglyphs and was first used during the First Dynasty (c. 2925 BC – c. 2775 BC)."
Any comments on this? There seems to be so many claims on the internet as to what was the earliest language or writing system. Would you consider the terms "writing system" and "language" different? Hieroglyphics were a means of communication, they were readable and could be passed on. This would have been by verbal as well as written means too would it not? Therefore would this not indeed be the earliest language i could attempt?
I know i am probably making it sound as if it should be all so simple, but after your great posts here i do appreciate that there is a lot more to it than just picking one and learning it.
CX.
That's funny ! Now your telling me the history of my country and of my people? LOL
Illyrians are direct descendants of Pellasgians...
So are related, that's all.
Originally posted by pepsi78
That's funny ! Now your telling me the history of my country and of my people? LOL
Illyrians are direct descendants of Pellasgians...
All I'm telling you is that all of it is of tracian origin, the latest discovery confirms this, the oldest homo sapien is found in an area of daco tracien presence, you have to understand that the traciens were the most numeros population at the time of the arival, and they migrated alot, acros europe.
Because the scheleton was found in a region of where only tracians were present it gives credit to the theory that all other forms were in fact tracian, like dacians and pellasgians, the languege says the same.
Your theory does not hold water simply because much older fosils were found around where tracs originated.
So are related, that's all.
Related by blood lines which makes them one and the same.
[edit on 15-8-2006 by pepsi78]
Originally posted by captinofcats
I had a question, but don’t let me get off topic here, if this question needs another thread i will be happy to create one for it.
Given the current discussion of where language itself originated, or what was the first spoken language. Why is it that we have this common conception that where demonology is concerned, Latin is always the primary language which seems to be used and even spoken in cases of demonic possession and or demonic language etc. I assume evil was around before Latin?
any thoughts on why this might be?
[edit on 15-8-2006 by captinofcats]
Originally posted by sayswho
I was surprised to read that Cuneiform was spoken. I has assumed that Cuneiform was mostly an accounting system and therefore not spoken. I believe it does qualify as the first language because it is preserved and did transmit information. I just have never read that it was actually spoken.
Originally posted by CX
Could someone please tell me what the earliest known speakable language was?
CX.