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Fight Club, V for Vendetta, et al.. Are they Trojan horse movies?

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posted on Aug, 11 2006 @ 08:56 AM
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I really enjoyed V for Vendetta when I saw it at the movie and felt elated, just as I did with the movie Fight Club, by the ending where a symbol of the power elite is destroyed...

Then I thought...

And I remembered something about Fight-Club. A movie about an underground network whose prime directive is not to talk about their organisation and whose leader undergoes an intense initiation experience and incidentally, suffered from MPD...

Do you see what I'm getting at now?

By the end of the movie we are presented with a terrorist attack, which we cheer on as supposing that this will bring the freedom from materialism we all desire..

A terrorist attack on TWO TOWERS..

Two years later we have 9-11...

Similarly in V for Vendetta we have an initiatory experience where the Evey symbolically 'dies' and is reborn. Classic secret society stuff which will have any watching Masons nodding in comprehension. By the end we also find ourselves cheering another terrorist attack. One that we imagine will bring freedom to our lives..

Of course the reality of an attack on parliament would mean that democracy and elected government would be replaced by martial law. Problem reaction solution.

Now, if you can imagine that the occult powers know how powerful the visualising ability of the human mind is at creating reality... Every invention, tool and object in the real world started as just an idea in someone's mind until that idea became real.. Similarly, a terrorist attack starts as an idea and if fed with concentraion and intent, becomes real..

Did the public who watched Fight Club and approved of the ending subconsciously shape the reality of 9-11. Or was the movie, at the very least, preparing the ground in some sense for just such an event. The coincidences are too significant and when one understands a little more about the nature of reality one learns that there are no coincidences only meaningful events which show a hidden power behind the working of our daily lives.

Could V for Vendetta then, be attempting to pave the way for another terrorist attack, this time against the British government which would seal the fate of our nation and usher in suspension of the democratic process and the police state..

I will add that the film is made by the same brothers who made Matrix.. And, although that film is extrememly empowering and enjoyable, it is a description of the secret society initiatory experience or 'illumination'. This becomes very much clearer when one considers the Illuminati cues such as 'Zion' and 'the architect' which feature in the film...

Odd isn't it.. Are these films really trojan horses which hide in the guise of waking up the people but in fact help to create the NWO agenda..

It is worth considering..

Cheers for listening...




posted on Aug, 11 2006 @ 09:08 AM
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I was watched V last night for the first time. I had a similar thought with it. You must be reborn with all that torture stuff to lose your fear. Maybe simply enough, a primer to make it easier to accept when the NWO comes? Funny how you posted this now, and I just saw the movie and was thinking about the same things.



posted on Aug, 11 2006 @ 09:27 AM
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While the revolutionary undertones to all these movies is rather obvious, I doubt they are trying to prepare us or condition us to anything. IMO, a couple guys got together, passed the bong about, and wrote some really creative, thought provoking films.

Methinks you are reading a tad too deep.


Dae

posted on Aug, 11 2006 @ 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate
A terrorist attack on TWO TOWERS..

Two years later we have 9-11...


But isnt that where the similarities end? Project Mayhem was that, projects of art and discord with the attack on the buildings left til last. It was an attack on a system (credit) where there was no casualties from death and injury, in fact Joe Public was probably more impressed that he held a conversation with a bullet hole in his face!


Similarly, a terrorist attack starts as an idea and if fed with concentraion and intent, becomes real..


The thing is, the planning for 9/11 was someones thesis, the idea of a an attack on the WTC buildings is not a new idea. The general public did not make it happen, a plan did.


Did the public who watched Fight Club and approved of the ending subconsciously shape the reality of 9-11.


I tell ya what, go watch the first episode of The Lone Gunman series, its called Pilot, I promise you it will bake your noodle.
ATS thread.

From Wiki

Pilot episode "predicts" 9/11

In a foreshadowing of the September 11, 2001 attacks, subsequent conspiracy theories, and the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the plot of the March 4, 2001 pilot episode of the series depicts a secret U.S. government agency plotting to crash a Boeing 727 headed for Boston into the World Trade Center via remote control for the purpose of increasing the military defense budget and blaming the attack on foreign "tin-pot dictators" who are "begging to be smart-bombed." This episode aired in Australia less than two weeks before the 9/11 attacks, on August 30.



posted on Aug, 11 2006 @ 09:59 AM
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While I partially agree with you on V for Vendetta (although I can find definite arguements against it - such as when you consider that Martial Law was already declared, there's no worse steps that can be taken against the populace really except public executions), I disagree with Fight Club.

True, we cheer at the ending, but not because the bank buildings are being destroyed, but because "Jack" has finally come and realized that he is Tyler Durden - he has actually fulfilled his dream of becoming more than somebody.

As "Jack" puts it himself, the destruction of those buildings would put everyone's credit records back to zero - "It'll create mass chaos". Doesn't sound like a good thing. Sure for some people it's good, but for many others who have worked to secure a good credit record, it'd be bad. It'd through the economy into a violent stir and the stock market would likely crash. People hiring and selling jobs and expensive products wouldn't be able to run reliability checks.

It's subtle, but such an event would have wide-spreading implications for a country such as the USA.


Now, in V for Vendetta, we ARE cheering at the destruction of a horribly corrupt establishment. It's fine for us, though, because there's almost nothing worse that can come of it. The guy in charge was essentially a cruel dictator, and the people revolted. It's much like the French Revolution, except with bombs, a ninja in a mask, and a dictator with ruling elite instead of direct monarchy. We're fine with it because of the context.

Now, sure, there could be propoganda within the movie (I, for one, could see this as being leading us to be okay with Saddam's overthrowing) - but there could very well be anti-propoganda in it too (I mean, come-on, the hints to Bush were practically sticker-labelled with flashing neon lights!).


In the end, I would say V for Vendetta and Fight Club are simply excellent ideas for movies and have deserved their spot in my movie collection.

Also... for those interested... I think Fight Club is an example of "Epic Theatre" adapted for a movie setting. Epic does not mean "Lord of the Rings". Go research it. en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Aug, 11 2006 @ 10:11 AM
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Friend of mine from www.davidickeforum.com... gave me the following link about V for Vendetta:

www.wingtv.net...

very thought provoking and just goes to show how complicated the deception is... they really mean to have us wishing for the NWO... even the 'rebels'.

Very clever and very evil..




But the real powerful symbolism in this movie is found in the two buildings that are blown up: the Old Bailey and the English Parliament. The Old Bailey represents conmon law, the very foundation of democracy and the freedoms that we enjoy today in western countries (especially those nations whose laws are based on English common law, i.e., England, Canada, the U.S., Australia and New Zealand in particular, but including as well all the commonwealth countries such as India).


And I really do believe that Fight Club is partially responsible for 9-11.

Every reality that manifests outisde must first be created in the mind..

Something which will affect an enormous amount of people must have some kind of global acceptance...

There are rules that the tyrants and murderers who rule us must obey. Find those rules and start to take the reins of reality back...

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posted on Aug, 11 2006 @ 10:21 AM
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The amount of money involved behind Hollywood movies means that they are very striclty controlled.

A movie which seeks to dismantle the very system which funded it would be like Turkeys voting for an early Christmas. Unless it's to dismantle that system and replace it with a NWO.

It's all subtle programming. The only way to make programming work is for people to accept it.

It's a known fact that someone who does not want to be hypnotised cannot be hypnotised.

Therefore Hollywood has to make people WANT to be hypnotised and accept the programming.

In a similar way, there are many of these films whose intent it is to make you question, not just reality, but if you're really 'alive' at all.

This may seem incredibly far out but consider that anything that can create uncertainty in your mind and a feeling of confusion, is disempowering you and removing your grasp on reality making people easier to control.

Three other very potent recent examples would be Jacob's Ladder, a film which goes out of its way to cause confusion and shock the viewers, the main idea being 'how would you know if you were really alive?'. Similarly The 6th Sense echoes this theme. 'For all you know you could be dead!' and Vanilla Sky.

These films are little more than mass mini-initiations into the so called mysteries. Creating mental confusion, uncertainty which will eventually lead to certain suggestible people perhaps accepting a dangerous delusion as reality... I do believe however that there can be positive delusions..but we live in a world where we have seen the fruit of the secret society network and it is indeed fairly rotten.

I believe that their goal for mankind is that we all undergo a spiritual transformation, a luciferic initiation experience or illumination.. Perhaps in another thread I will focus on this in more detail.

I wonder if anyone can think of any more films which could be seen to be implanting harmful delusions into the public mind. The film media is a so much more powerful and effective means of mind control when one considers that while watching films one is in a mild alpha wave trance..

I just noticed that recently there has been lots of these 'what is real' type movies. Quite as if conforming to some 'programme' for the human race.

Some people are being changed too, the whole world is being changed and it's all down to Hollywood.
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posted on Aug, 11 2006 @ 10:31 AM
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Really, V for Vendetta film is completely different from the graphic novel. The graphic novel is interesting (and much better) and has a different message than the film, the film makes an anti-hero terrorist (in the novel, they do not playdown terrorism) and does (in a way) question V's actions.

The film isn't a Trojan horse in the way you are stating. The graphic novel has been turned into a tool for information warfare, by presenting an unreleastic false flag terrorism attacks and a fascist police state that, in a way, attacks those in the conspiracy world and makes them seem crazy, paranoid geeks.

Trying to present a conspiracy now, like 9/11, will probably end up with you being accused of watching V for Vendetta too many times.

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posted on Aug, 11 2006 @ 10:41 AM
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This is a good site too and a good article:

www.conspiracyplanet.com...




'Fight Club': Secrets of Janus Programming
When you see Fight Club, you’ll have "front row seats for the theater of destruction."

Ostensibly a movie about underground ultimate fighting, Fight Club is actually an externalized psychodrama and the best illustration of the internal workings of MPD (Multiple Personality Disorder) victim ever made.

According to recovered survivors of mind control, Fight Club is the story of someone who discovers he has so-called Janus-End Times Programming.


Infinite, you are too trusting in the bread and circuses that they throw at you.



posted on Aug, 11 2006 @ 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate
Infinite, you are too trusting in the bread and circuses that they throw at you.


i doubt that somehow.
i will admit, i don't believe everything and that includes conspiracies.



This becomes very much clearer when one considers the Illuminati cues such as 'Zion' and 'the architect' which feature in the film


in the film, Zion is biblical reference and "the architect" is God. The matrix has a heavy Christian element (trinity is the most obvious) and Neo is presented as Christ.

Plus, you cannot prove the Illuminati still exists, all we know is that it went underground for a whole. thats where it stops...im still researching into hardcore evidence for its continuing existence, ive spent hours in archives searching for documents and references to the illuminati. nothing yet.



Odd isn't it.. Are these films really trojan horses which hide in the guise of waking up the people but in fact help to create the NWO agenda


its not odd. if you want odd, watch From hell, it makes a direct link between freemasonry and Jack the ripper. What about TV shows and books that have used terrorist attacks that have later happened? thats odd too. are those people working for the NWO agenda? no.

ive been researching into the NWO for years now (im the FSME for the NWO section) and the main problem has always been finding the "real meat". Its hard to find because countless people are linking everything to the new world order and making theories out of thin air, many read into things too deep, my favourite saying is;

not everything is a conspiracy

when i read, watch or hear something, i don't automatically think conspiracy and start reading into things too much, looking for something to twist (when i first looked into the NWO, i believed everything). i tend to do my own research because i do not trust certain sources due to COINTERPOL (which is VERY active)



Of course the reality of an attack on parliament would mean that democracy and elected government would be replaced by martial law. Problem reaction solution.


But ,as a UK citizen, i can tell you that Parliament is searched on every November 5th for explosives plus security has been tighten after the IRA car bomb during the troubles. You can't even get near it now, only if you are an MP, a Lord or the Queen


Problem reaction solution is a little theory that David Icke and Alex Jones like to chat about. I wouldn't look into it too much.


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posted on Aug, 11 2006 @ 12:44 PM
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Yawn!

Can't be bothered anymore..

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Dae

posted on Aug, 11 2006 @ 01:29 PM
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Originally posted by infinite
Trying to present a conspiracy now, like 9/11, will probably end up with you being accused of watching V for Vendetta too many times.


Or Da Vinci Code, welcome in a new era of film genre thats used against us...


Originally posted byEdelweiss Pirate
Yawn!

Can't be bothered anymore..


OK, how does your theory work with, lets say, the tsunami that hit Tialand or The Great Fire of London 1666?



posted on Aug, 11 2006 @ 02:00 PM
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I think there is something to these movies, but it's not what you think.

Simply put, if people see something in a fictional movie, they have a harder time believing it if/when it's presented to them as a real possibility.

As Infinite said, it conditions people to place certain ideas in the realm of fiction, entertainment, and that precludes them from thinking about such things in the context of real life.



posted on Aug, 11 2006 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by WyrdeOne
As Infinite said, it conditions people to place certain ideas in the realm of fiction, entertainment, and that precludes them from thinking about such things in the context of real life.


exactly.
this what i was getting at.

when the graphic novel of V for Vendetta was written, it presented the idea of the London being covered in CCTV cameras (which everyone said was unlikely and would never happen and many readers said that what the novel presented was impossible and would never be accepted)

now, you can't go anywhere without a CCTV watching your move...

Alex Jones sumed it up by saying, the media only speak to David Icke 'cause when he starts talking about shape shifting hybrids, he makes the whole conspiracy world seem like nutcases. Then, when Icke points out something to be true, no one will believe him cause of his "crazy views". You getting my point?

Google "COINTERPOL" and "information warfare", you will understand what i am refering to.


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posted on Aug, 11 2006 @ 03:15 PM
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I'd have to agree with Infinite statement. Not everything is a conspiricy.

Also I don't see how blowing up parliament (in v) solved anything. Yes Credey and the High Chancellor died. Obviously parliament was empty. Somone would surely slip in as replacements and a new symbol of the power elite would be built.
They also said they would rebuild the Bailey to be a 'symbol' of our times.

Conspiricies are glitzy, they are movie material, people like stories about shady deals, mistrust of politicians and businessmen. Poltical thrillers are very popular. People now do like to see conspiricies in everything, you can prove or debunk any of these theories. People like to see the bigger, juicier story. Its no plot.

97% of all movies also have happy endings. The 'false' hope in the two movies you've identified, is just that.

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posted on Aug, 11 2006 @ 03:27 PM
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Lost and Matrix are trojan horses.
Both relate to each other. Matrix even relates to mayan calendar and that 2012 thing.

Don't tell this to anyone though.



posted on Aug, 11 2006 @ 03:46 PM
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Lost and Matrix are trojan horses.
Both relate to each other. Matrix even relates to mayan calendar and that 2012 thing.

Don't tell this to anyone though.

Oh, and dont forget Superman.



posted on Aug, 11 2006 @ 05:46 PM
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I don't know. The Matrix films were just good films. I think the writers threw in the biblical references to add some sort of familiar spiritual element that would help the audience engage with the film. My only beef was that the end of 3 was crap!


I don't watch Lost (Not because I don't like it, I just missed the first couple of episodes and never bothered. I have friends who love it, but they aren't the types to look for hidden meanings).

V for Vendetta, on the other hand, I thoroughly enjoyed. I haven't read the graphic novel (I intend to) so I can't comment on the intended message of the writer but when I was watching the movie I was thinking the opposite of you guys, that we should cherish the freedoms we have and fight back against oppresion/marshall law. Apart from overblowing the terrorist threat, I can't see the current UK government implementing any kind of marshall law, let alone take away the right of freedom of expression. I see those kinds of things taking place under a NWO, and I thought perhaps the film makers maybe really knew where things are actually heading in this world. That they were preconditioning us to be ready to rebel, which we inevitably would. It's human nature.







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posted on Aug, 16 2006 @ 10:05 PM
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oh, and lets not forget about 2001: A Space Odissey....



posted on Aug, 19 2006 @ 10:18 AM
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oh, and lets not forget about 2001: A Space Odissey....

a small fact about ‘2001’- the computer HAL, that becomes crazy and dangerous is based on IBM (each letter is one before it in the alphabet) IBM (if I recall correctly) supplied technology to the nazis… weird little link there…



Infinite- But ,as a UK citizen, i can tell you that Parliament is searched on every November 5th for explosives plus security has been tighten after the IRA car bomb during the troubles. You can't even get near it now, only if you are an MP, a Lord or the Queen

Or the pilot of a hi-jacked airplane? Damn, do you think they’d do that? I mean would they go that far in a ‘false-flag’ operation? ‘Funnily’ enough, I don’t we are gonna have to wait very long to find out…



e-pirate- Now, if you can imagine that the occult powers know how powerful the visualising ability of the human mind is at creating reality... Every invention, tool and object in the real world started as just an idea in someone's mind until that idea became real…

I think this is a very important point… it’s a technique known as ‘manifestation’- meditating on something to achieve that outcome. I used to think that this was being done in the media- since 911, the English media every day had a story about ‘terror, terrorism, the threat of terror, terrorist bombings’ etc etc… every single news report it was (on the radio anyway- I didn’t own a TV at the time). I stopped listening to the news because of it. Propaganda… and then finally they got their ‘terror’ attack. They finally had willed it into existence…

I used to think that they (the media) were unwittingly bringing a terrorist attack into being, almost like they ‘wanted’ it to happen… they needed it. My belief now, is slightly different… I guess I’d call this kind of reporting ‘conditioning’, and I think it is carefully constructed, not unwitting…




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