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Originally posted by sigung86
What do we do next?
I friend of mine told me 2 weeks ago, "We don't sit and think anymore, we should be taking 20 minutes each day and take some time to see what's going on in our lives".
Originally posted by sigung86
Originally posted by Conluceo
I would have to imagine the situation is a little more complex than that.
Disclosure will only happen when we go back to a truly real form of government for the people, I don't think that's ever going to happen because now that the vote is electronic by the same token, that ensure's that there will never be a real electoral vote again.
The only way disclosure might happen is by the sheer power of the entities themselves to show up and outsmart the human supposed intellect that's in power(that won't be hard) but when i think of SDI or star wars i can't help but think that those weapons are in fact to prevent exactly that.
Too much money at stake.
[edit on 10-8-2006 by Conluceo]
Conluceo ... I wanted to cut down the size of your quote, but didn't really know where to begin. This is not a discussion, at least in my mind, of all the possible to impossible causes for the effect. I'm not really at all curious about the government of, for, and by the people that would make it possible. All I want anyone to do is suspend their belief systems for a moment, like all the folks who don't like skeptics ask us to do, and tell me what might be the next logical step.
Rather than obfuscate it all with all kinds of rhetoric, I am simply curious as to why:
a) It is so important to try and make the government admit that UFOs exist. After all, they are going to exist, or not, regardless of what our governments do or do not do. The non-skeptics already have proven this time and time again by the way they tend to mass around and denigrate people who either do not believe, or are sitting on the fence with no particular strong thought about it either way.
b) Once we did get the government to admit that they "believe" that UFOs exist, or they have definitive proof that UFOs exist, what do we all do then?
Just how earth shattering is it to get someone (the government) to validate what all the pro-UFO folks believe they are lying about anyway? Do the UFOs then become anymore valid? Do we become any less capable of progressing, or at least not regressing as a civilization? Do we, as some posters proclaim here, become drooling, psychopaths, who no longer have the faith in our ability as human beings to carry on without raping, pillaging, plundering, and killing each other off in grand scale? Do we find that we are unable to function, simply because what we have set as a base belief without reliable evidence that the reality of UFOs makes us suddenly incapable?
That is the source of my questions. I kind of am following exoterrestrial here. First, if there were evidence of the existence that were concrete, then that is very cool. However, even if there were, and everyone suddenly knew it... How do we proceed?
Very few thoughtful answers here, but much emotional rhetoric. I'm still looking for a plan of action that makes sense.
Originally posted by sigung86
Thanks very much Conluceo. I appreciate the clarification.
Originally posted by sigung86
I don't start too many threads, because I am one of those people who can post to a thread and bring it up to a screeching halt. But ... I have a question, based on some supposition.
Let us, for the sake of this discussion, assume that aliens are real, and that UFOs really are their vehicles. Based on the fact that so many folks adently defend that point of view, I think that is fair. Now. Further supposition ... We finally get confirmation from the government that they have, actually, tracked and even perhaps, interfaced with aliens from another planet.
What do we do next?
Originally posted by Shawnna
TOC - show me one piece of irrefutable evidence that ANY of the UFO's reported originate from off-planet culture technology.
Just one is all I'm asking to see - just one piece of irrefutable evidence.
I think a much more logical question would have been to ask what the reaction would be if we finally learned that all of UFOlogy stories, myths and legends have been created and/or encouraged by government agencies to deflect and/or hide the technology gained after WWII from the German scientists and black ops projects.
To me, that's a much more logical question given there is not one shred of irrefutable evidence that ANY of the UFO's reported originate from off-planet culture technology.
Always,
Shawnna
Originally posted by Access Denied
Originally posted by Shawnna
To me, that's a much more logical question given there is not one shred of irrefutable evidence that ANY of the UFO's reported originate from off-planet culture technology.
I forgot to add that a perhaps even more logical question is could it be the UFOlogy myths (e.g. Roswell, Area 51, Alien Abductions... not the UFO phenomenon itself which might be real) were created for personal gain (e.g. financial or otherwise) or even as part of a religious conspiracy and it has nothing to do with the government?
See Slerpo FMI
Originally posted by Toc
Originally posted by Shawnna
TOC - show me one piece of irrefutable evidence that ANY of the UFO's reported originate from off-planet culture technology.
Just one is all I'm asking to see - just one piece of irrefutable evidence.
I think a much more logical question would have been to ask what the reaction would be if we finally learned that all of UFOlogy stories, myths and legends have been created and/or encouraged by government agencies to deflect and/or hide the technology gained after WWII from the German scientists and black ops projects.
To me, that's a much more logical question given there is not one shred of irrefutable evidence that ANY of the UFO's reported originate from off-planet culture technology.
Always,
Shawnna
Shawnna, prove me that protons and neutrons exist and i'll accept the atomic theories...until i see one proton, atoms don't exist.
Originally posted by Access Denied
Originally posted by sigung86
AD and Shawnna, you are both correct, the questions are probably more logical, but you are missing the gist of my original post. All things being hypothetical, and equal, and the government finally admits the reality of the UFO ... What do we do then.
You mean what we do now? As I've already tried to point out in this post here...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Contrary to popular belief, I believe the government has already "admitted" the reality of UFOs...
- No UFO reported, investigated, and evaluated by the Air Force has ever given any indication of threat to our national security.
- There has been no evidence submitted to or discovered by the Air Force that sightings categorized as "unidentified" represent technological developments or principals beyond the range of present-day scientific knowledge.
- There has been no evidence indicating that sightings categorized as "unidentified" are extraterrestrial vehicles.
The last two points are the one that seems to throw everybody off the most. As Sir Winston Churchill might say... it’s “a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma"... or not depending on how you look at it.
Originally posted by Access Denied
Originally posted by Timeseer
It is easy to see... if they are extreaterrestrial, then why would they be categorized as unidentified, especially since they have been identified as of extraterrestrial origin. Obviously the extraterrestrials are not a threat and their technology follows parallel to our own present scientific understandings, especially considering what we got from the Nazis after WW2.
Bzzzt... wrong... but now you're thinking.
Hmm... I'm thinking of a key word that starts with an o and ends with a r... what could it be?
P.S. Notsees have nothing to do with it.
Originally posted by Timeseer
Originally posted by Access Denied
Originally posted by sigung86
AD and Shawnna, you are both correct, the questions are probably more logical, but you are missing the gist of my original post. All things being hypothetical, and equal, and the government finally admits the reality of the UFO ... What do we do then.
You mean what we do now? As I've already tried to point out in this post here...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Contrary to popular belief, I believe the government has already "admitted" the reality of UFOs...
- No UFO reported, investigated, and evaluated by the Air Force has ever given any indication of threat to our national security.
- There has been no evidence submitted to or discovered by the Air Force that sightings categorized as "unidentified" represent technological developments or principals beyond the range of present-day scientific knowledge.
- There has been no evidence indicating that sightings categorized as "unidentified" are extraterrestrial vehicles.
The last two points are the one that seems to throw everybody off the most. As Sir Winston Churchill might say... it’s “a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma"... or not depending on how you look at it.
Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
Originally posted by Timeseer
Originally posted by Access Denied
Originally posted by sigung86
AD and Shawnna, you are both correct, the questions are probably more logical, but you are missing the gist of my original post. All things being hypothetical, and equal, and the government finally admits the reality of the UFO ... What do we do then.
You mean what we do now? As I've already tried to point out in this post here...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Contrary to popular belief, I believe the government has already "admitted" the reality of UFOs...
- No UFO reported, investigated, and evaluated by the Air Force has ever given any indication of threat to our national security.
- There has been no evidence submitted to or discovered by the Air Force that sightings categorized as "unidentified" represent technological developments or principals beyond the range of present-day scientific knowledge.
- There has been no evidence indicating that sightings categorized as "unidentified" are extraterrestrial vehicles.
The last two points are the one that seems to throw everybody off the most. As Sir Winston Churchill might say... it’s “a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma"... or not depending on how you look at it.
- No UFO reported, investigated, and evaluated by the Air Force has ever given any indication of threat to our national security.
So this means that the Air Force has never reported, investigated, and evaluated any UFO that has ever given any indication of threat to our national security. Right?
Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
- There has been no evidence submitted to or discovered by the Air Force that sightings categorized as "unidentified" represent technological developments or principals beyond the range of present-day scientific knowledge.
If the sightings are categorized as "Identified" with extraterrestrial space craft then do they represent technological developments or principals beyond the range of present-day scientific knowledge? Present-day seems like a "Key phrase", perhaps.
Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
- There has been no evidence indicating that sightings categorized as "unidentified" are extraterrestrial vehicles.
But what if they are categorized by the people making this statement as "Identified as spacecraft from another world"????
Originally posted by Access Denied
The problem with that theory is we're talking about Blue Book case files (the context) and there was no category for identified (extraterrestrial)... only identified (known, IFO), unidentified (unknown, UFO), and not enough data (miscellaneous).