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Originally posted by df1
If the american people do not start buying these lies real soon the US government will be left with no choice except to blow up some americans to market these terrorist lie.
Originally posted by American Madman
Oh stop. Saddam was thinking murder these people so my will can not be questioned by my own people.
A vast majority of the Iraqis being murdered are being murdered by the "freedom fighters" terrorists.
I bet the people of europe are very upset their entire continent was blast to rubble, and would rather live in Nazi Europe.
Do you see that happening in Iraq? Nope. Do civilians take casualties from US bombing I'm sure they do at times. The world is far from perfect. But at least we aren't deliberatly targerting them like the "freedom fighters"....
Out of 150,000 troops a handfull are suspects in murder and rape trials I think a grand total of 2 or 3.
Of course no one cares if the US soldiers get their fair trail,
no chance they were set up by an enemy who's only ally is the media which is quick to blame american troops for anything.
They are guilty automatically, but if your a terrorist trying to kill americans God Forbid they don't get what someone considers miranda while they are shooting at our guys.
Originally posted by df1
Originally posted by undecided2
I am tired of hearing people defend these fascists who want to kill me for no reason!
Im tired of my rights being eroded because a bunch of "chicken littles" think the sky is falling.
[edit on 10-8-2006 by df1]
, God I luv members like-minded in thoughts. Good one df1
Originally posted by kindred
I think David Icke describes fear most eloquently when talking about the new movie V for Vendetta.
... V for Vendetta the movie is not just a metaphor for a UK dictatorship, it is representative of the methods and ambitions of those who control governments across the world. And they all use fear, not just as their ‘ultimate tool', but the first, second and last.
Stop playing there stupid games and stop buying into the fear.
Well Yo Blair is off on another one of his many holidays at some exotic location while the country and the rest of the planet is falling apart, but whats new. Hopefully us Brits will get lucky and he'll get eaten by a shark ( Did I just say that....oops) I can just see the news. Blair attacked and eaten by a great white. MI5 has today confirmed the shark which was hunted down and captured has ties to Al-Queda
Look to this day for yesterday is but a dream
And tomorrow is only a vision
But today well lived
Makes every yesterday a dream of happiness
And every tomorrow a vision of hope!!!!
I'm dreaming of a world without Blair and Bush. I recommend everyone else to do the same...........
Originally posted by wondernut
security is always beaten by those that wish to beat it badly enough
not even the all seeing nsa can catch everthing
you clearly place too much faith in them
[edit on 13-8-2006 by wondernut]
Originally posted by American Madman
Oh stellarx your so tired as well. Over 100,000 iraqis killed by americans oh please do tell where you get your numbers from.
The media is all right wing... Keep dreaming The media is divided.
Thats why anti bush stuff is all over the media.
Thats why republicans get slammed in the media for any mistep while the democrats get a free pass on everything..
But thats ok you keep telling yourself that the media is entirely far far right, it just shows how far far left and out of touch with any sort of reality you are.
With exception Fox the media is left.
Thats why your ilk are so hostile towards fox cause untill fox the left had a monopoly on cable news...
ANd bush 1 wanted saddam gone but the UN wouldn't let him. Good thing bush 2 learned from pa's mistake.
Take a look at iraqi cities they aren't lying in ruin.... Nope except falluja.
My my my I sense a common theme among people here which is to be as dramatic as possible and make things up as they go along. Sad.
Yeah the germans did't ruin the cities in europe expect for in england and they didn't kill millions of people.
Again I wonder if those leaders you said complained about amreica after ww2 would rather speak german or russian. I doubt it.
ANd no there isn't a special exception for Americans... The difference however is that we don't deliberately target civilians and in time of war sht happens whether you like it or accept it or not.
The difference between a 500 pound bomb and a 500 pound truck bomb is that the truck bomb is targeting markets and shrines... The 500 pound American bomb is targeting people driving those trucks...
If the American military wasn't trying to limit civilian casualties there would be no insurgency.
The insurgents would all be dead along with a good amount of civilians. But that hasn't happened...
Throughout the 90's we tried it the UN/Euro way and it failed misserably, sanctions only hurt the people not the elite...
Problems got worse while waiting around. The leaders of europe got rich though cheating the sanctions with saddam....
Why do you think American can't seem to take control of Iraq?
Something you want to believe but without much foundation in reality. How many of those bombs are actually being set off by terrorist and how many by CIA/British agents trying to cause a civil war in Iraq?
The insurgency could have been prevented from the start had the original commander ( of the US army) been allowed to take the 400 000 American troops he requested to ' patrol every street' and kill insurgents long before they could learn to survive. He in fact got fired for suggesting as much which exposes the aim of the American administration rather efficiently. If you want to fight and destroy America's true enemies you have no place in the American armed forces; they will simply fire you or send you to get slaughtered in Iraq or some other hell hole to fuel their 'perpetual war' engine.
Originally posted by mecheng
2) Al Qaeda is connected with the government in some fashion...
The official stories of 9/11 and ABP may be correct but the government conspiracy lies in the fact that they are pulling the strings of Al Qaeda in some way such as having prior knowledge of what would take place on 9/11 and allowing Al Qaeda to destroy the WTC to further and authoritarian agenda.
Originally posted by Aim64C
We don't have control? The streets of Iraq are safer than the streets of New York.
That aside - let's put this in perspective to eliminate your statement's deliberately manipulative and misleading tone.
You have a country with open borders.
You can hop on a cammel and waltz right in from just about any part of the border.
Kind of like the border between the U.S. and Canada - border checks at the roads - but not a whole lot that can be done about the thousands of miles of wilderness that comprise the border.
So - that translates into a LOT of terrorists can come in from other countries. Or people who are itching to shoot an RPG at a piece of U.S. equipment.
Then you have the fact that there is no FBI, CIA or other organization capable of intercepting terrorist cell activity.
So - it's not really any floundering on our part - it's that it's a monumental task.
Ya ever think that maybe this whole '9/11 is a conspiracy' deal is a conspiracy to set off a civil war in America?
I mean, think about it. My statement has just as much merit as yours - even though you will deny it until the day you are killed in said civil war.
I love this. More troops = better way of fighting.
I also love how you support a general who asked for about twice the number of soldiers as we have in our entire military ranks.
I guess we could instate the draft..... but then that would be an infringement on our rights and a plot to do something evil.
That's the best laugh I've had all day.
Originally posted by mecheng
It's looking more and more to me like this was a large scale plot by Al Qaeda. They are rounding up suspects left and right now and I also read there was an investigation into this plot going on since July of last year.
It's just not adding up for me. On the one hand (if our government was involved in this plot) why would Al Qaeda want to be connected in any way with our government?
I know about how Al Qaeda was started and financed by the US back in the day. And the connections between the Bushs and Bin Ladens. I've heard the theories that Al Qaeda is still somehow connected with the US. Why would Al Qaeda allow that?
Why would they want their own people to be rounded up by the US and be put into prison just so the US elite can further their authoritarian goals? What's in it for Al Qaeda?
On the other hand (Al Qaeda acting alone), why isn't Al Qaeda going hard and heavy after more populated places rather than trying to bomb a bunch of planes?
To be nice? If jihad and the elimination of Americans is what they really want, we have proven there are far 'better', more effective, cheaper, and less risky ways to kill us than bombing a bunch of planes.
How do they benefit from just scaring us? If you say 'so Bush can forward his authoritarian agenda', I then go back to then what's in it for Al Qaeda and why would they allow themselves to be thrown in prison?
Perhaps only Bush and OBL know of the overall conspiracy and OBL allowed his cronies to be caught yesterday?
I don't know if I'm just being dense. I hear the arguments and tend to agree them, but it's just not adding up on either side for me right now. To me this one is looking like it's Al Qaeda working alone.
This may prove out differently down the road, but if true, what does that say about the 9/11 conspiracy theories?
Sorry for rambling here. I'm just trying to connect the dots. I'd like to hear your theories and how these terrorist plots might be connected into a 'grand conspiracy'.
Originally posted by American Madman
Yeah ok stellar.
Democrats aren't held to the same PC standard as republicans. You can keep telling yourself they are...
I said that fox was right wing, you're just too deluded to accept that they are the only right wing news networks the others are left leaning.
Let me guess the times is on bush's side. Yeah sure the bad news sneaks by without the editors and their right wing propagadists checking first that must be the only reason there is anti bush republican stuff non stop.
If a republican pisses in the woods in a no pissing zone the democrats and media will have a field day. I seem to remember one right wing speaker who's medical records were stollen and then reported by the media.
HOw about the forged documents durning the 2004 election that the news reported and then was busted for... Oh yeah they must have been bush plants...
You so full of holes that its funny and yet sad.
100,000 people displaced in a country of 25,000,000 to 30,000,000 hardly qualifies as a nation thats been bombed to the stone age indiscriminately as you would have us believe. The cities of Iraq are still standing, with exception of falluja but I had mentioned that city already.
You keep on imagining the worst and spewing it forth as if it were fact.
And those 40,000 troops were saddams guys.... People talk about infiltration but want these guys hired into the army.... sure.... These people were going to fight, if all they want is a job as long as they weren't high up in saddams army they can join up.
It seems to me those 40,000 wanted peace and prosperity they could have it. All they have to do is Stop blowing up fellow iraqis and acting as a speed bump to progress. Thats about all they are achieving.
And I'm not shifting blame just pointing out the folly of other efforts such as sanctions
The pressure produced in just the dissociation of TATP molecules is about 80% greater than pressures seen in the detonation of the same mass of w:TNT.
TATP can be easily prepared in a basement lab using commercially available starting materials obtained from, e.g., hardware stores, pharmacies, and stores selling cosmetics. TATP is a fairly easy explosive to make, as far as explosives manufacturing goes.
Later analysis by the FBI laboratory in Washington determined that there were two functional improvised explosive devices hidden in Reid's shoes made of the explosive material triacetone triperoxide, known as "TATP," and other components. Richard Reid's shoe had 8 or 10 ounces of triacetone triperoxide and PETN.
"Both Peroxide and Acetone are clear liquids, but acetone (laquer thinner) is easily identifiable by smell and its high rate of evaporation. Experts indicate it is very unstable and highly unlikely to be a stand-alone explosive to take down an airliner. The quantities would have to be large enough to be easily noticed. Thus, even though this is a theoretical threat, banning all cosmetics and lotions is stupid and banning all liquids is unnecessary. Only clear liquids need checking. There is cheap test equipment for TATP, and simple ways for TSA employees to quickly check for acetone and peroxide."
In addition, photographs of passengers being ordered to pour liquids into one single container completely belies the claim that the alleged terrorists planned to mix the liquids to create the deadly explosives. If mixing liquids was a key component of the bomb making process then why are airport security ordering people to mix liquids?