Originally posted by XphilesPhan
I have noticed many brits seem to be [...]sympathetic to muslims in general.
What the heck would be wrong with that??
he recent incident with the flights is suspicuous as well.
Are you actually suggesting that "England" is plotting against the US???
Trying to get back at us for the revolution or something?
Should we Americans consider the UK compromised?
Beacause there are muslims there!?
There are more muslims in the US than in britain, and britain has a lot of muslim immigrants because it once ruled over muslim terrirtory.
the true UK citizens (the english, scots and welsh) of course we are friends
Uhmm, hate to break this to you, but anyone that has citizenship in the UK is a 'true UK citizen", just like anyone born with or granted citizenship
in the US is an equal US citizen. Equality of citizenship is one of the basic components of modern democratic life.
Oh, so it "sucks" to have to try and defend your groups that are actually the source of most, not all (clear on that?) of the world's terrorists.
I don't recall anyone expecting the average irisher to stand up and apologize for the IRA when they were active, when IRELAND was the source of most
of the worlds terrorism. No one requested it because its ridiculous
'mon, learn to be responsible and own up for what is yours and stop blaming others.
He is supposed to apologize for the actions of zealots, but also is supposed to stop blaming others?
Anyone that holds all muslims responsible for muslim fanatics is flat out wrong
. No muslim is under any
obligation to apologize for
that they themselves haven't directly done.
How many americans apologize for the rape, torture, and killing or iraqi civilians commited by american troops? I've never seen a single american do
that, and they shouldn't have to apologize for 'bad apples'. Neither should muslims. There is nothing in the religion of islam that necesitates
deadly fanaticism and terrorism. Like any and every religion, it gets twisted to justify murder. The average muslim bears no more of a requirement for
apology for modern day terrorism than a protestant does for the catholic and orthodox crusades!
these terrorists caught today were British born citizens of Pakistani decent
Good point! When the hell is that evil sniveling bastard tony blair going to apologize for this eh? When is the whole of england going to get down
on its knees and beg for our forgiveness for these actions by their citizens?
See, thats nuts
(obviously westpoint isn't claiming this, for the record).
What in the UK is causing these people to turn against their country like this?
Because its not 'their country', or at least they aren't treated as such, or minimally consider that to be the case.
Consider why there were muslim riots in australia, france, and germany, no so long ago.
Its because those countries are not able to assimilate immigrants.
The US, despite the many loathesome racists that live within it, despite its terrible track record with blacks, is simply free from large scale riots
because it can assimilate immigrants, such as muslim immigrants.
Once unassimilated and marginalized, then those immigrants look for justification for their rage. In this case, its contextualized into a struggle
between the west and islam.
Remember that guy who supported the attacks on 9/11? The guy with the hook
The problem is, that when you aren't accepting of people that are 'foreign' and critical and stupid like that guy, then you start failing to
assimilate and integrate the immigrants, and you get the problems that france so recently had.
Of course, the other problem is that you can also end up having guys like him, who radicalize the youth that are already angry, and give them an
outlet for their violence.
At the same time, I beleive that that particular imam was infact thrown out of Britain, he actually went to lebanon. When the war broke out, he was
begging the brits to evacuate him!
Such hypocrites so many of these religious leaders are!
Actually the trend towards diversity instead of assimilation is causing some of the problems today. It used to be when someone emigrated to another
country they were assimilated by that country's culture.
Lets not be too one sided here.
When the italians immigrated to the US, they were hated, they were swarthy foreigners who had a crazy religion ('papacy') and foul smelling food
(garlic, onions, peppers, all mixed together? Wads of meat? For WASPS, thats revolting).
The immigrants had to change, but the society at large also had to change. Today, the Italians and Irish are part
of America, and people
dont' get ticked when an italian waves a green white and red flag during the world cup, like they do with latin americans, or with irish for
emphasizing that they're irish (I've never heard anyone say 'so go back to ireland you damned papists!).
The same thing is happening, and has to continue with the latins and muslims as it did with the poles and germans, and the result is going to be that
they'll be part
of america, not merely 'whitewashed/assimilated into it'.
you have Pakistanis living in the UK or US. There is no feeling of loyalty to their chosen country,
I don't know what the situation is in the UK, but in the US, they're americans.
If england wants immigrant riots, then its very easy to arrange, just shun the muslims, loath their culture, and make demands that they drop their
Or, if the UK wants to be united, it can embrace the muslims, after all, they are going to the UK because they want
to be there. Hell, most
people in the UK are just plain up and born there, they've done nothing to show that they actually want citizenship. THese people have left their
homelands and crossed half the world to live in england, and the US, thats a good thing, we should all be happy about that and greet them as