Pyramid construction explained and the carnage that follows., page 2


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reply posted on 10-8-2006 @ 07:22 AM by Marchimedes
Someone slept on the couch last night. Where's the quote button? () fo now around them.


(Originally posted by DrLeary
You're not the first person to claim to have the answer to how the pyramids were built.)

Show me one I can't refute and that can refute mine. Otherwise, thanks a lot for the news, now I have to change all my, "From the desk of the first person ever to answer how the pyamids were built" stationary.

( Your also not the first person to use 1, 2, 5 or even 10 tonn blocks. )

I said I was where?

(The simple principles of weight x arm is well know, and can be used to move quite large blocks, )

Yea, but I have ten years doing it and a bag of tricks you haven't even thought of. Can you move a block? Alone? While drunk? So befoe I figure out images and shock your life, (judging from you post you don't have much of one) how about you tell me a way to set a block into a space with a block in the rear and one on each side. Set it in a slot so o speak. And then how to level it. Well known? Haven't seen one person yet explain it concerning the pyramids.



(but they simply cannot explain how you move a 100 tonn block.)


Key word, they.
(Some of the ancient temples, walls and pyramids in south- and central america have even bigger blocks. )

Sorry, nodded off there, did I miss anything?
(So for this to be "the final answer" you must be able to demonstrate how your method can be used to move a 100 or 150 tonn block.)

First moving weight is "Well known" then it's "your method". Bro, try harder. Go home, practice on your little sister, and come back when you've mastered "nuh-uh".

I say this will take a while. I say I have this covered quarry to top. I say hang on I now need images here. This is my first day here and I haven't even gotten started. I started with laying out the thing. Should I have started with the King's chamber blocks just for you sport? I got the big stuff. How to move? Please. How to transport on bages down the river. Get up the pyramid, and how and where, moving it around in general, patience grasshopper, you,re still at the pushing little blocks in a staight line stage. Go back and read he fis pos again and hink about wha you have done.



(Until you can do that, you are contributing absolutely NOTHING to this field...)

First day, don't get banned, first day, don't get banned.

Then by your standards who has? Don't like my road, water level, step method? Seen that before? First time ever right? Nothing there skippy? So what have you actually refuted with fact? What have you contributed except a very, very mild first day abuse break for me? Didn't lean from CX either did you?

See folks, exactly what I've been getting. Nay saying. No ideas, refutement, compliment, witty insults, Just entry level "nuh-uh". And wrong at that.

I was so easy on you.

See how this works? Wanna play? At that other place people try me sometimes because they enjoy the abuse. It's a thing. Like IHOP after church. Like doc here digging in his nose every red light next to a bus load of cheerleaders with digital cameras. Leary. Is that your name or what they tell the boys at the Y to be when they see you?

One time. This is shtick. Get used to it. I have this with me always. Try me. I'm looking for my better so I can learn from him. Doc, that wouldn't be you. Angry ain't we? Why?


reply posted on 10-8-2006 @ 09:43 AM by Byrd
Originally posted by Marchimedes
1. Two trains of thought here. They know they used the following device. Take a right triangle, (all measurements here are close, not perfect). Sides 5 3/16 x 7 1/2. Hold with hypotenuse down. Divide hypotenuse in half and mark. Attach string with pointer at bottom to top point of triangle. When two acute points are level pointer will match mark. Not a perfect system to be sure. As after 2500 years the base ends of the pyramid are less than 1" out of level it's not good enough for my tastes. Gives a rough level at best.


However, it was good enough for the Egyptians. They have examples of these tools from tombs where the builders were buried with their possessions and tools of their craft.



2.A widely accepted theory with some evidence to back it is the base of pyramid sits on bedrock. Dig trenches on a grid in bedrock for entire base of pyramid. Fill with water. Water finds it's own level. Grind bedrock over entire base down to water, fill in trenches, and you have a perfectly level base. Fine for this bottom only but then your back to the triangle for the next level.


Many pyramids (there are well over 100 in Egypt) show evidence of leveling lines: www.ethnomath.org...

In fact, other buildings such as a temple outside the pyramid of Menkaure show the same leveling lines marked on stones.
touregypt.net...

Intestine. That's right guts. Interstines are in fact very long, flexible, water tight tubes. Sure they rot after a while but some one is always killing and eating some varmint.


Tombs and public buildings are painted with images of the architects and sculptors and so forth at work. Don't see anything indicating the use of intestines partly filled with water as leveling devices. Paintings and drawings and tools left in tombs indicate they used wood levels (there's a bunch of articles and books on it. The particular site I'm linking to happens to have some good illustrations on it and pictures of the tools.)
nefertiti.iwebland.com...

Many other cultures used the same method (wood tools.)
www.pubs.asce.org...

While your theory is interesting, tomb paintings don't show such a device being used. Furthermore, since levels would be important for the builder in the afterlife, their burial chambers would have had pictures of these things even if they didn't have the actual object so that people who came to pray at the temple could magically "wish" for the tools/food/whatever to show up in the afterlife for the deceased and they would magically apear there. (Standard offering formulas include "o traveler, when passing by, say "a thousand loaves of bread for the ka of Ptahotem" or something similar.)

None of the thousands of manuscripts or painted walls describe an intestine tool or show one at work. They do show the wooden level in use, though.


reply posted on 10-8-2006 @ 09:50 AM by LazarusTheLong
First of all Mark... you are largely right, but not original...

I avoided taking the comments on ATSers intellegence personally, so that we could make some enlightened comments, to help aid marchimedes in improving his theory...

I think perhaps first we should enlighten him as to other theories that are exactly the same, or similar to his theories, so as to prevent the boy from embarrassing himself by stating a well known concept as an original thought.


marchimedes quote: claim as your own, and i will sue you!


get your lawyer ready mark, because the internet is rife with similar theories that prevent yours from being patentably unique...
the very unoriginal theory of blocks moved by rolling logs

then there is the presented theory of how the blocks were raised...

Mark, i am sure, by your own experience, that you are convinced that the way you have done it, is the way it WAS done...
that attitude is called egocentrism, and it is usually grown out of by about the age of 6....

I present to you, that the other theories are just as viable, and perhaps even less dangerous than yours...

If i am correct, these cribs (lincoln logs) are made out of stone... (wood would become misshapen far to fast, and eliminate the "level" needed for the prefection required of your technique...

if stone is used, then it does chip, and crush, unlike modern materials used in safe moving... so it is no more dependable of a "log" than anything else...

also, multi ton blocks being balanced upon almost anything, will crush the object being balanced upon... all that weight, over a much reduced area is more powerful than i think you realize... a safe crushing your toe would obliterate it, while the same safe crushing your feet, might still leave them attached...

I do hope you have learned something that will aid you in developing "Your" theory...
I feel that i have disproven yours as effectively (or more so) than you have disproven the other lifting theories...
good luck to you...


reply posted on 10-8-2006 @ 10:08 AM by Byrd
Originally posted by Marchimedes
The majority of the approximately 2.3 million blocks that make up the great pyramid were quarried aboot 500 yards to the south of the pyramids them selves. Many theories abound. I'm gonna smack them all.


Including the not-theories but documents left by the ancient Egyptians of that time period?

One unanswered question of the building of the great pyramid is how did they transport the blocks there. One theory is that they made a packed earth road and slid the blocks on sleds with the blocks being pulled by a mule train of men if you will with the runners of sleds being lubricated with water.

A theory that was created not only by "thinking about how it can be done" and "asking locals how they do it (low tech)" but also by reading ancient inscriptions and looking at ancient paintings and tools.

On jobs you have a thing called a schedule. 4.6 million steps is a deadline killer.

But you're living in a different culture. Things MUST be done on a schedule. In ancient Egypt and other ancient civilizations, they were "done when they were finished." Laborers were available only during non-agricultural times (the seasonal floods) and if it took 80 years to build something, well... that's how long it took.

No clocks, no calendars. Just "work until it was done."

Dragging this much weight, no matter how many men you have, is just damn ridiculas.

You might want to go back and explain that to the quarrymen of ancient Egypt, who recorded that they dragged the stones with human labor (and occasionally using oxen.) And the artists of that time who drew the workers (and oxen) at their task.
www.pubs.asce.org...


They made a damn road out of blocks. Thick, hardy, and heavy, therefor not given to much movement. The first blocks out of the quarry they used for the first pavers in the road. They paved their way to the pyramid.

Again, the written text and painted pictures left behind by those quarrymen and builders don't show them ever using stone blocks for roads. It does show them using sleds and oxen. Nor did they use paving stones for roadways. Most of the roads even in the royal cities were simply packed dirt.

(by the way, that many blocks dragged over the top stones would have left distinct track marks on the upper layers... which aren't there.)

In my research I've not seen this idea put forward.

It has been put forward. You might like to read more about the transport methods that we know about from their writings and artifacts:
www.touregypt.net...


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