Yeah I now agree that the santorini Minoan theory is the most simple & rational one.

anyhting else is just who guessed what.

First off everyone saying that everything he says "Tsarion" is total crap. They are part of the disinformation people on ATS.Ive watched and listened to many radio and dvds from tsarion. Most radion shows he does freeman, Coast to coast and many other alternate media shows. He states that some of his information could be wrong and he invites everyone to do there own research. So to the people not doing any research and saying Um Ur uh i cant recall what is bull but he is full of it. Also the poeple in another thread who said they debunked this guy is full of IT. The fact is some of his theorys can be wrong.

Most of his theorys about NWO and bush hitler and british royalty is true ive confirmed them though my own research. Secondly if you dont beleive in one thing this guy says then you dont beleive in one thing Alex Jones is saying at prison planet.com . Cause take out all the pre 1900 information he reffers to and you have what is in EndWars.

My last point about this guy being Debunked is disinformation. You cant debunk a theory cause its in theory. Then the only thing ive seen debunked is one piece of his information. To Debunk someone you have to Debunk every single thing they say or reffer to AND NOONE HAS DONE SUCH A THING ANYWHERE.

[edit on 24-1-2008 by kanesis]

Originally posted by kanesis
... if you dont beleive in one thing this guy says then you dont beleive in one thing Alex Jones is saying at prison planet.com...

I got no problem with not believing a word either one of them says.

Funny you should use Jones as an example. He's one of the worst.

Also, you have an odd perspective on the meanings of "debunk" and "theory."

If you can show that the speed of light is not constant, you completely debunk the entire theory of relativity - special and general.

So I don't get what you mean about Tsarion's bull not being "debunked."

If he's making some of it up - and he is - then he's lying. Since he's lying, you can't (or shouldn't, anyway,) believe him.

Harte

I personally cringe every time somebody comes up with a load of mystic crystal Stargate alien nonsense relating to Atlantis. It just gives the whole field of interest a very bad smell at a time when some reasonable, rational, actually testable theories might be appearing.

Over the past several decades, a lot more has been learned about possible scientific explanations that the actions and probabilities of major catastrophes. We know more about tsunamis and how devastating they can be. We have a much better understanding of earthquakes and plate tectonics. We're finally getting good, detailed bathyspheic data from the Atlantic and the Mediterranean. We're also learning a lot about the probabilities of meteorite/comet impacts, near Earth asteroids and stray space material (actually mentioned by Plato), and events like the Tunguska explosion.

Until just recently we didn't have good, plausible, and scientifically-based information that would work to put together a scenario that was something other than fantasy. Something that doesn't involve alien pyramids and all that assorted nonsense.

We can hypothesize, for instance, about the effect a glancing asteroid impact might have on the tectonic dynamic of the Azores Plateau, as well as what kind of other evidence might be found of tsunami activity in places like the Carribean islands or the west coast of Africa. Imagine that. A real, scientific-like theory that can actually be tested! And not just a lot of channeling nimnuls spinning crystals and waxing nostalgic about their tragic former lives as Atlanean princesses, etc.

And along with the Earth sciences stuff, we also have a possible chance to track DNA and see if any can be traced back to a culture that's no longer around. Add some coherent socio-archeological studies to the mix, to determine if there are any fragmentary cultural or linguistic links to be found.

Put them all together, and there might be a chance to find an actual lost or misidentified culture that could be a reasonable match for Plato's description, or other descriptions that might come to light in the future. That is if we can clean the kooks and goofballs out of the field long enough for legitimate scientists and universities to feel good about investing money in some real research.

[edit on 24-1-2008 by Nohup]

Right on kanesis.
Are some of these people here just trolls who will debunk anything, or are they just uneducated egotists who are unable to think outside the box?

I have Michael Tsarion's books: Atlantis, Alien Visitation and Genetic Manipulation
and his newest in 2 volumes (1200 pages)
Irish Origins of Civilization

If anyone wants to do serious debate on the matter let them come forth with other than their opinions. Chances are that they have nothing else.

Originally posted by kanesis

So what is he making up and where is your proof since youve debunked it ?

Does Tsarion make nay mention of the Fluffy Pink Bunnies who run the fast food outlets on the moon? No! But why? Because he doesn't know about them? In which case he's a fraud ....

If you can prove the fluffy pink bunnies don't run fast food outlets on the Moon, then maybe you'll have a point

You know, it's weird, but when I read that, I imagined you with a little table set up in front of a laundromat, trying to get people to guess which card is the queen of hearts. You've got that hustler fast-talk thing going.

Slow down, pick a single topic at a time, and form your thoughts fully before committing them to print, yeah? Now slowly, again. I want to to bring forth evidence supporting this Tsarion fellow's claims. Hard evidence. Surely a super-advanced hypertechnological race left some artifacts behind. Hell, we can find chunks of rock and tell they were tools used by Homo habilis easily enough, so finding our archaeological proof of our super-smart world-conquering cloning overlords (who's island still sank for some reason...) should be a freaking piece of cake, right? Surely there's a few cloning tanks or extradimensional aircraft bits and pieces to bolster your arguments with, right?

well you didnt see that i said the things that will remain is precious metals stones and rock. Concrete being rock know what i mean.

[edit on 27-1-2008 by kanesis]