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What can we do to address race-relations and solve racism?

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posted on Oct, 18 2006 @ 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by Duzey
Socialist little buggers that we are, Canada actually has a government department to deal with the issue of multi-culturalism and diversity. While I know this might sound like a crazy idea to Americans, Canada has an 'Action Plan'.

I've only read the overview, but this sounds terrific!

Yay Canada!

I especially liked this part:


Equality of outcome—not simply equality of opportunity—is a core principle of Canada’s action plan.

What a beautiful sentiment!

So, would you guys welcome an American emigre?

I speak french.


j/k...kinda...




posted on Oct, 18 2006 @ 09:46 PM
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Sure, come on up.


We aren't perfect, but we're trying. The status quo just isn't good enough.



posted on Oct, 18 2006 @ 09:54 PM
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Just a side note...

About two years ago I was in the Cracker Barrel in JAX FL. Attending school at IPTM, it's next door to the Motel I was staying in and convenient. I also wanted some "Chicken and Dumplings."

It took them about 10 mins to seat me and there were less than 10 people in the place. Then another 10 to get me a glass of water and take my order....

I waited 20 minutes (Yes I checked my watch) and after asking a passing waitress, found out my order was taken by a waitress that went off duty...

I got up and left.

Did they do this because I am white? Should I sue?

Semper



posted on Oct, 18 2006 @ 09:56 PM
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I'm also a Canadian and I don't like Multiculturalism and I want people to know that. The implementation of it here was by the globalist elite's and the left wing which had been running the country for some time. Many people I know are not happy with this state of affairs which is multiculturalims and they want it gone.



posted on Oct, 18 2006 @ 10:06 PM
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You are aware that the whole multicultural program and department was brought into being under Brian Mulroney and the Conservative government, aren't you?

If you don't like the program, fine. Just blame the Conservatives for coming up with the idea.



In 1984, the Special Parliamentary Committee on Visible Minorities produced its well-known report Equality Now!, and in 1985 a House of Commons Standing Committee on Multiculturalism was created. In 1987, the Committee issued an extensive report that called for the enactment of a new policy on multiculturalism and the creation of the Department of Multiculturalism.

A new multiculturalism policy with a clearer sense of purpose and direction came into effect in July 1988 when the Multiculturalism Act was adopted by Parliament. Canada was the first country in the world to pass a national multiculturalism law. The Act acknowledged multiculturalism as a fundamental characteristic of Canadian society with an integral role in the decision-making process of the federal government. Directed toward the preservation and enhancement of multiculturalism in Canada, the Multiculturalism Act sought to assist in the preservation of culture and language, to reduce discrimination, to enhance cultural awareness and understanding, and to promote culturally sensitive institutional change at the federal level.

www.parl.gc.ca...


Mulroney was in power from 1984 - 1993.



posted on Oct, 18 2006 @ 10:57 PM
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Semper,

I thought you and I had a decent relationship. Your last post appears to be in response to the article I posted on the last page about Chris Rock's mom. Why didn't you just say, "HH..."? That's a little weird, to me at least.

Anyways,


Originally posted by semperfortis
Did they do this because I am white? Should I sue?

Were the other patrons waited on in a timely manner?



posted on Oct, 18 2006 @ 10:58 PM
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Originally posted by denythestatusquo
I'm also a Canadian and I don't like Multiculturalism and I want people to know that... Many people I know are not happy with this state of affairs which is multiculturalims and they want it gone.

Why?

Sorry for the one-liner.



posted on Oct, 18 2006 @ 11:13 PM
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HH,
We should still have a good relationship, this was not directed at you. It was a true experience and yes all the other patrons were waited on including several that arrived well after I did.

Please don't perceive this as more that it is.

As far as the Lawsuit goes, my contention is that I did not overreact and assume it was because of anything more than BAD service.

Semper



posted on Oct, 18 2006 @ 11:20 PM
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Originally posted by Duzey
Sure, come on up.


We aren't perfect, but we're trying. The status quo just isn't good enough.

I've been to Montreal. We stayed at the Queen Elizabeth, bought street art in the old city (which I still have), did a whole bunch of shopping, rode the train, checked out a few different arrondissements... I loved it. And the people were so nice.

The only thing that unnerved me a little was... well, we were wondering why we never saw any police, you know, being New Yorkers, so we asked someone. The (extremely kind and helpful) couple replied that there were cameras everywhere... the police were watching us right then! Thanks to 9/11, that seems normal now (sadly), but back then, mid-90's, I had never heard of such a thing. I must admit, it freaked me out a bit.

I would love to visit again, but I'm a NYC girl, and an American. I think I'll stay and fight. (That applies to racism and our current problem with Texas-grown facism. :



posted on Oct, 18 2006 @ 11:40 PM
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Originally posted by semperfortis
HH,
We should still have a good relationship, this was not directed at you. It was a true experience...

I didn't mean to imply that you were lying. I believe this did, in fact, happen to you. However, since you hadn't brought it up in over 70 pages of conversation, and you only brought it up once I had mentioned a similar incident, it had to be directed at me. This isn't as big a deal as I'm sure it looks like I'm making it, but it really does appear that you cited your experience at Cracker Barrel to refute Mrs. Rock's without actually addressing me.



As far as the Lawsuit goes, my contention is that I did not overreact and assume it was because of anything more than BAD service.

You should have spoken up. The only people who don't like complaining patrons are the people who waited on them poorly. Management should love complaints, because they can pinpoint the problem areas/employees.

Mrs. Rock isn't "overreacting" because she had to wait. She attempted to bring it to the attention of management, and they, in her estimation, under-reacted. She filed another complaint and didn't hear anything for four months... until she held her press conference. Then, out of nowhere, they claim to have investigated the matter. Funny, no one interviewed Mrs. Rock, or her daughter. How could they have investigated the incident without contacting all parties involved?

Further, considering their past, you would think they would work to avoid anything like this by, at least, dealing with her complaint.

Personally, I don't think I would have pressed it. However, in her interview on Larry King, she said that, since moving to South Carolina from Brooklyn, NY, she's let a lot of racist incidents slide, without comment. I guess she finally reached her breaking point.



posted on Oct, 18 2006 @ 11:49 PM
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OH..

Make no mistake, it is racist down here. At least compared to up north where I lived prior. I now live near and my office is just a few miles from the Cracker Barrel in question.

I just think that turning this obvious bad service into a racial situation is overreaction. There are plenty of REAL racial incidents that happen everyday that we need to be concentrating on, that just because it's not someone famous' mommy, gets no press...

I did report it to the Cracker Barrel HQ.

And no, I thought you had opened the topic up for comments... Sorry if I misconstrued...

Semper



posted on Oct, 19 2006 @ 12:08 AM
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If I get lousy service in a restaurant, I put it down to hopeless staff.
I leave and never bother to go back. I also make sure I tell my friends that I
got crap service at such and such a restaurant.

It seems when others get lousy service in a restaurant, they look for REASONS,
and personal ones at that ,as to WHY they were overlooked , other than because
the staff are inept.

If we ALL did this, can you imagine how much time would be wasted in courts around
the world? e.g """oh gee, I'm sure I was overlooked because I'm overweight...I'm gonna sue for weight discrimination." etc. etc blah blah. When it more than likely
has nothing to do with the reason that the person was fat. Maybe just that waiter
was lousy/ lazy/ tired, didnt really want work there,etc etc. These are the things
that I think in situations like this. I think the reason is where it belongs (with them)
than internalise it and put it down to skin colour, weight, etc etc.

If you think you can do better at running a nothing-will-ever-go-wrong- restaurant,
then why not open one and see how you go? Just hope that ALL your waitstaff do the right thing 100% of the time, even while your not there, so you dont spend all your time in court.


Isnt it just easier to go and find a place to eat that has professional staff than sit
there and simmer and start to doubt yourself and your worth in the world? And are these people being racist, wieghist, agist , etcetcetc....Just move to another eatery.
EASY.



posted on Oct, 19 2006 @ 01:06 AM
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Originally posted by semperfortis
Make no mistake, it is racist down here. At least compared to up north where I lived prior.

Oh, I know. On one of my few trips to SC, I was solicited. Yes, for prostitution. FYI: It was broad daylight and I was not dressed in a way that could be construed as 'advertisement.' Oh, and I'm not a prostitute. No offense to the real "pros" out there, but... yeah... whoa.



There are plenty of REAL racial incidents that happen everyday that we need to be concentrating on, that just because it's not someone famous' mommy, gets no press...

I definitely agree with you, but look at our celebrity-obsessed culture. Are you really surprised that this story is getting coverage?

Another thing: celebrity coverage is better than none at all. Tonight, Larry King asked her and Al Sharpton, does stuff like this still happen? Or something like that. I'm not sure if the transcript is up yet. Anyway, they looked at him like, Um, yes, stuff like this still happens. One of those looks that asks, Where have you been? If the rest of America is equally clueless, that's not, by itself, bad. What's bad is to be clueless and then assume that, just because you (the rhetorical one, not you personally*) haven't heard of it happening in a while, it doesn't happen anymore. Maybe it just doesn't happen to you.



I did report it to the Cracker Barrel HQ.

Good. I'm a firm believer in telling people when they suck.




And no, I thought you had opened the topic up for comments... Sorry if I misconstrued...

No, Semper, you misunderstand. If you had quoted me in your original post about Cracker Barrel, we wouldn't be having this conversation. If I had started a separate thread about Mrs. Rock, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Because this thread is so long, there are lots of separate 'threads of discussion.' A poster could pick up from anywhere. That's why it's helpful to adress your comments to someone, or quote them, when you respond. ATS is the first discussion forum I've joined, so I could definitely be wrong, but I thought that was proper 'netiquette.' That's why, when you didn't do it, I figured there had to be a reason. Hence my original comment.



posted on Oct, 19 2006 @ 06:38 AM
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posted by HarlemHottie

On one of my few trips to SC, I was solicited. Yes, for prostitution. FYI: It was broad daylight and I was not dressed in a way that could be construed as 'advertisement.' Oh, and I'm not a prostitute. No offense to the real "pros" out there, but... yeah... whoa.



In Re Semper at the Cracker Barrel, I suspect without knowing that Semper has been slow on the tipping and word got around. Advice: Try leaving a 10-spot next time and see how fast you get served.



posted on Oct, 19 2006 @ 07:26 AM
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DW..



You got me !!!!

HH,

Thanks for the great reply, we see pretty much eye to eye on this. That is my only complaint "down" here. Otherwise, it's a beautiful place to live.

Semper



posted on Oct, 19 2006 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by donwhite
In Re Semper at the Cracker Barrel, I suspect without knowing that Semper has been slow on the tipping and word got around. Advice: Try leaving a 10-spot next time and see how fast you get served.


Are you serious, DW? You think Semper got bad service because he's a bad tipper? Sorry but I can't tell if you're joking. If you are, never mind.

HH - My husband and I always tip generously and treat the wait staff very well. In the past year, he has eaten at 2 separate places, both of which he had freequented before, one of which just simply didn't acknowledge him (for much longer than 1/2 hour). He eventually just got up and left. And the other? He found a razor blade in his food! And not before it was in his mouth!

My point is that you can't always blame bad service on something the customer is or does. It's not always about the customer's race or tipping habits. Sometimes servers or cooks are just whacked or something. And sometimes, people make honest mistakes. We have plently of stories about having to wait in restaurants. Once, my husband physically grabbed the waitress to get her to notice us. These things happen.

He didn't sue about the razor blade, btw.


[edit on 19-10-2006 by Benevolent Heretic]



posted on Oct, 19 2006 @ 10:53 AM
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posted by Benevolent Heretic



posted by donwhite
In Re Semper at the Cracker Barrel Advice: Try leaving a 10-spot next time and see how fast you get served.


Are you serious, DW? You think Semper got bad service because he's a bad tipper? Sorry but I can't tell if you're joking. [Edited by Don W]



Joking? Well, more or less. I’m certainly short on sympathy for Semper. I think it is a good thing for white people to get some bad treatment once in a while if and I say if, they are aware that is the kind of treatment blacks still get from time to time but worse, had to live with forever. So, to Semper, get over it. Or I’ll change your name to Whimper! And it never hurts to leave a nice unexpected tip. It will make two people happy for the day!



posted on Oct, 19 2006 @ 10:57 AM
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Our standard is 20% unless the service is bad. When we go to restaurants I figure that the waitress and cooks work VERY hard and are not getting paid enough. Sure, we aren't rich, but we most likely have more than they do so I don't mind at all paying %20 of a $25 check at the end of sunday breakfast instead of %15.

Seriously .. isn't it supposed to be %20 now?

At any rate .. everyone gets 20% unless it's really bad ...



posted on Oct, 19 2006 @ 11:10 AM
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posted by FlyersFan

Seriously .. isn't it supposed to be %20 now? At any rate .. everyone gets 20% unless it's really bad ...



You're right. I usually round up to the next dollar. I think the minimum wage for people who earn tips is about 60% of the $5.15. Ah, God Truly Blesses America. The Forbes Report says there are now 100 Americans worth more than $1 Billoin. Thank you God. You love us, and we love you!






[edit on 10/19/2006 by donwhite]



posted on Oct, 19 2006 @ 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by donwhite

I’m certainly short on sympathy for Semper. I think it is a good thing for white people to get some bad treatment once in a while if and I say if, they are aware that is the kind of treatment blacks still get from time to time but worse, had to live with forever. So, to Semper, get over it. Or I’ll change your name to Whimper! And it never hurts to leave a nice unexpected tip. It will make two people happy for the day!


Ah, another adherent to the "two wrongs somehow make it right" crowd. Sorry, but I couldn't disagree with you more on this. The way to get someone to treat you better is to treat them worse???? Makes absolutely no sense at all.
And you also say it's OK to treat whites badly if they are already aware of the problem? Sounds like preaching to the choir to me. Aren't the people you would want to reach the ones that are not already aware of the situation?

Last, tips may be expected, but good tips are for good service - period.

OMT, if you find someone disagreeing with you, how about skipping the derogatory labels and name calling. Isn't that what you claim to be fighting against?

[edit on 10/19/2006 by centurion1211]



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