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Originally posted by ceci2006
BH: ... you have some racial anger and racism all your own you have to deal with before you try to accuse others of the same thing.
Originally posted by I See You
We need to quiet racism not exploit it for money and fame.
Originally posted by Infra_red
We need to put it in everyones' faces untill it becomes so ugly that it isn't tolerated anymore.
Originally posted by semperfortis
we have lost the "drug war" and the money needs to go into rehab. programs and education. It has become ridiculous to the sublime.
Overall I agree with what he is saying, to an extent. I have personally witnessed the racism he speaks of, having worked for years in uniformed narcotics. So yes, it is there.
It is my opinion, (Opinion mind you) that compiling numbers like this in an effort to support your contention does little to give one confidence in the entire premise.
However, if read carefully, he makes good points and presents a valid argument.
The racial profiling that was taught, (Yes I was also in the classes) was actually directed largely at Hispanics.
leading my department in drug arrests for several years making completely random stops.
No I am not some crusader, I just believe in what I do and what I am supposed to do is work for all of you, no matter what color. Racism and other issues are tearing away at the foundation of what I have spent my life in service too, and I will never give in to it.
they have better laws, better levees.
with the police being used as an 'enforcer.'
If you don't mind, what state are you in? I ask because your training, and the focus on Hispanics, may have been a function of location.
I was in total disbelief, waiting for the police to screech to a halt and arrest them... I'm still waiting.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I don't like stereotyping and I don't think it's helpful in dealing with other people. I think the stereotypes should be thrown out the window and we should connect with people for who they are ...
Perhaps this article will actually help some women to talk to each other, and if it does, that's great.
Originally posted by HarlemHottie
The author is attempting to make the point that, although we are all women, we come to the table with different concerns.
“When talking about oppression, how did White women deal with the fact that they were the daughters, lovers, wives, sisters and mothers of the White men that were identified as the oppressors?”
Stereotyping and projecting allow White women and women of color to maintain their places in the status quo. It keeps us from initiating and managing systemic changes and prevents us from recognizing racial differences as having the same legitimacy as gender differences.
I don't think she invoked those stereotypes in order to stoke the fires of racism.
Another thing: BH, have you noticed the dearth of black women in the Feminist Movement? Why do you think that is?
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I watched Malcolm X today. It was very good. One quote struck me as very important:
"You haven't learned to disagree without being disagreeable."
Originally posted by ceci2006
Even people who mean well do not truly understand the implications of what people of color have to go through. Instead, they ignore recognizing the depth of the issue and instead try to cover it with other things to deflect away from what truly happens.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I got the feeling from this article that the author had everyone comfortably tucked away in their little compartments complete with labels and I was in pretty much disagreement with that. Did I miss the whole meaning of the article?
Originally quoted by loam
Does this belief hold that those "implications" can NEVER be understood?
And if so, how is that reconciled with the next sentence that implicitly expects recognition of that which is already prevented by incapacity?
If it doesn't mean that, then help me understand what special actions or statements would be sufficient to demonstrate such an understanding.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
He spoke of not being American, of not having a choice about being here.
Colorblind Racism
The racial hierarchy established over the middle of the 20th century has largely held fast because one generation builds on the accomplishments of the last, Duster explains. Like interest on a bank deposit, children collect economic potential for themselves from the property and social status of their parents. Just as directly, he argues, disadvantages such as barriers to well-paying jobs, segregation in housing and discrimination in lending reverberate from parent to child. "The past becomes relevant to the present as personal wealth and assets are reproduced from generation to generation," agrees Barlow. His new book on globalization makes a similar argument about the historical underpinnings of U.S. racial stratification. Furthermore, privileges in housing, jobs, education and other arenas reinforce and augment one another, he says.
And far from lessening over time, Barlow argues that the disparities built into American society are becoming more entrenched. In the 1960s and '70s, business regulation, low-income housing, job training, public health and other social programs successfully began to compensate for long-term economic advantages held by white people. But starting in the 1980s, the growth of the service sector and technology information jobs, the mobility of businesses, and policy changes such as deregulation and the curtailment of taxes reversed the trend. As industry extends its global reach and creates large pools of investment capital in developed countries, whites are clinging tightly to their privileges, he says. "A greater disparity in income and growing inequality makes more and more of the middle class experience a sense of crisis, so they try to buffer themselves," says Barlow, who describes himself as a civil rights activist as well as a sociologist. "We need to think about racism in a new way."
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While whites will acknowledge that disparities in education or other realms exist, Barlow says, they are more likely to attribute these to a lack of ambition and effort on the part of minorities than to structural favoritism toward whites built into U.S. institutions for generations.
"You don't need to be a racist to promote policies that are race-conscious," says David Wellman, a professor of community studies at UC-Santa Cruz and one of the "White-Washing Race" authors. "Most whites don't see white as a race. Like a fish in water, they don't think about whiteness because it's so beneficial to them."
Institutional Racism Instructional
Racism is a social system that has two main effects: first, to constrain people's lives by sorting them into positions in a hierarchy of power, prestige, status, wealth, opportunity, and life chances; and second, to maintain, extend, and reproduce this hierarchy by using political, economic, patriarchal, and cultural power. The system has five key components:
(1) The economic system-- shunting people of colour to the bottom of the economic system and keeping them there;
(2) Geography-- maintaining spatial separation between white people and people of colour, or, if space is shared, ensuring that the space is controlled by whites;
(3) Culture-- by denying people of colour the means of communication, by controlling cultural institutions to determine how people communicate and therefore think about themselves and society;
(4) The state-- by using force to fight any changes in the other components of the system; by denying political power to people of colour;
(5) Kinship and Gender-- by enforcing separation between races, preventing intimacy and socialization together, race is maintained as a social fact.
Seeing White
Betty Prashker, during her more than 40 years as an esteemed book editor, has seen publishing in New York City transformed from a "glamour industry" into just another business worried about the bottom line. She has seen the creation of rich literature evolve into the proliferation of in-your-face biographies by people like The Rock, the wrestling star. And she has seen authors' salaries shrink from seven figures to a more modest five. But one facet of the publishing industry has barely changed - the overwhelming dominance of white people like herself.
"There have always been few minorities in publishing," Prashker said. "I believe that there was no aggressive recruitment and then there was always the problem of the salary level."
Many publishing insiders - editors, literary agents, marketing executives and others -agree with Prashker's observations. Some also say deeper, more subtle factors - such as the "club-like" atmosphere of publishing and episodes of white insensitivity - help explain why so few minorities, particularly African-Americans, are involved in the decisions to publish the books Americans read.
Statistics on minority employment in the industry are hard to find. Organizations like the American Association of Publishers, or AAP, and trade magazines like Publishers Weekly and Library Journal document the latest news in the publishing industry. None of those resources releases figures on the percentage of African-Americas working in the various New York publishing houses, but one need look no further than the offices themselves to get a sense of the racial make-up.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Becoming a citizen of a different country is NOT that difficult to do. He could have left at any time. LOTS of people do. If I ever run into any american who says they are not American and they don't have a choice about being here ... I'll give them directions to the airport and I'll even throw in taxi cab money.
They understand them and try to discuss them as they are. They also account for their own short comings without accusing anyone of being racist. No one has to worry about whether someone is bigoted or not. They discuss the issues as they come. And they use racial identifications (such as "Black" or "White") without it being "divisive", "racist" or problematic. They also don't accuse others of the same thing when they use racial identifications.
That is the difference between a "discussion about race" and a discussion about race. People who specialize in Ethnic, Civil Rights, Cultural and National studies do this all the time without any need to deflect anything. They attack it head on and analyze the issue without accusing anyone of any behavior whatsoever.
Originally posted by ceci2006
She, like a lot of others, demonstrate a sense of empathy and feeling for what happens by acknowledging that these acts exist.
Some conversants would discuss the implications of what "BuckWheat" means to Black people and ask questions about it.
Others would ignore the question and not bring it up because they "don't see it" (i.e. selective hearing).
This is rather bizarre to you, I know. But, I particularly do not like it when someone says, "I treat everyone the same".
So, the best question that needs to be asked for those who say they treat others "the same" is how they describe "sameness".
Using "equality" as a way of deflection is quite more complicated than what people think.