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Originally posted by Majic
If your father committed a crime, I wouldn't throw you in jail. So why must I be repeatedly convicted of a crime I didn't commit?
... but those who seek to punish anyone for the color of their skin are racists, plain and simple, and I will have nothing to do with such evil.
I used to play along with "whitey guilt" and let myself feel guilty for years and years. And I felt hopeless because I thought there wasn't a damn thing I could do about it. I can't change my race, after all...One day I realized why it felt so wrong. Because it is wrong. Feeling guilty helps no one, and only perpetuates the misery we should have all overcome long ago.
Immigrants who succeed in this country do so not by whining about how they're discriminated against, but by working their butts off -- as immigrants have since time immemorial. In fact, they usually have to work a lot harder than the "privileged class", but they do it anyway, because bitching about it won't make it go away.
Feeling oppressed? The first step to overcoming oppression is rejecting it.
The people who are telling you there's no hope are damn liars.
Don't play along with it. Don't buy into it. Don't allow those who truly want to oppress you to demoralize you.
If the goal is filling the morass between black and white, Black Americans need to do what all great Black Americans have done in the face of adversity: take action. And not action driven by fear, anger, self-pity and hatred, but action driven by courage, hope, strength and self-belief.
No, it's not easy. In fact, rising above discrimination and prejudice one of the hardest things anyone can do.
No one -- no matter what obstacles they face due to their race -- will ever succeed by pointing fingers. That solves nothing.
Want to overcome the prejudice you face? Do what all great Americans have done: do your best.
P.S. I'm thrilled that we can have this sort of discussion on PTS. It means a lot to me.
Originally posted by donwhite
I missed Harlem and maybe seeing you?!
Anyway, it seems my mission is raising white consciousness. It’s proving to be one tough task.
Yes, HH, if the general population benefits from the sacrifice of a few, then why does not the general population acknowledge that and make an appropriate (and proportional) gesture?
How is that so easy to forget or overlook? I once thought we were all in this “boat” together, but it seems some want to stand in the bow and let others do the rowing?
I must care about their things. I must also be prepared to intelligently discuss them and even to offer solutions for them or be deemed ignorant, regardless of my educational qualifications.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I get this. I understand this. You're angry. But at whom? Do you discriminate or are all white people guilty and responsible?
but I'll never know what it's like to be black. Because I'm not.
Let me just share something here....
What's the difference?
HH - I'm not expecting you to say that everything's peachy. It's not. We all know that.
I just don't understand how you expect to be reimbursed for experiencing racism. What would you like to see happen?
Women who STILL don't get the respect they deserve.
Originally posted by ceci2006
This is a discussion. Harlem Hottie and myself should not have to feel guilty for voicing our concerns. And we should not have to be put on trial for doing so.
Originally posted by ceci2006
But that doesn't preclude the right that we can be angry if we want to and say what we want without your input about how we express ourselves.
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With all due respect, please stop putting us down, correcting us, talking badly about our culture and preaching that our words amount to racism.
Your words do not help. They really don't.
Originally posted by ceci2006
But I see that this is a peculiar habit of the dominant culture.
The difference between you and me is the fact that I don't go around calling people racist at the drop of a hat.
Originally posted by HarlemHottie
Look, BH, you're gonna have to handle that topic, because I am overwhelmed handling this one. But, of course, I'll help if I can.
Originally posted by donwhite
Currently there are 2 especially atrocious ads on tv. One has a black man commenting on the questions of a white woman. That's ok, but when you see and hear the "black face" type responses, it is oh so racist! Pure and simple. I think it is a GEICO ad. Right now I'm forgetting the other one. Back to you later if I remember before ATS shuts off my edit privilege.
Originally quoted by Benevolent Heretic
I don't see this discussion as you and HH against the "dominant culture", we're all talking together. Just people. We ALL have the right to express ourselves equally and no one should feel guilty, no one is being burnt at the stake or put on trial. No one is trying to shut up the black folks. That's your fantasy. That's your perception. And might I add that's one of the biggest problems in your experience.
So... it's only right that you freely express yourself without input, but it's not ok for Majic to express himself without your input... I guess I shouldn't be surprised at this double standard, but I kind of am...
I don't understand how you can say that you should be allowed to express without input, but you have consistent input on what everyone else says. It's boggles my mind.
I disagree. Majic's words are the truth and that will set you free. They help quite a bit. They may not help your cause, but they are true.
pssst... We know that the words "dominant culture" are just a substitute for "white people". You might as well come right out and say what you mean instead of hiding behind some politically correct phrase. Unless you want to start calling black people the Subservient Culture? Eeeww...
I understand why you use the phrases you do, though. It wouldn't exactly sound politically correct to say "But I see that this is a peculiar habit of white people." Would it?
When are you going to stand up and take your place in American Culture instead of accepting and feeding this Dominant and Subservient crap? I gave that up in the second grade when I realized my parents had lied to me about black people. When are you going to give it up? When are you going to deny this particular ignorance?
Majic didn't call anyone racist. He pointed out actions that are racist. Every time you see the word, it's not leveled at you.
And shall I point out where you have in fact called people racists? So don't even set yourself up against Majic as some sort of paragon of racial virtue.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
pssst... We know that the words "dominant culture" are just a substitute for "white people". You might as well come right out and say what you mean instead of hiding behind some politically correct phrase. Unless you want to start calling black people the Subservient Culture? Eeeww...
Originally posted by ceci2006
Believe me, the advice has been given over and over, and the "advice givers" have always reneged on their "welcoming speech" of joining American culture by putting Blacks and others of color in that "subservient position" immediately.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
best way to help race relations is to more evenly distribute the wealth which had been earned because of the exploitation of minorities.