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The most Credible Quotes concerning UFOs. Astronauts, World Leaders, Scientists ...

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posted on Aug, 13 2006 @ 10:59 AM
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It is funny that the supposed UFOs seen by Buzz Aldrin that your quotes suggest do not get any mention in the interview that can be seen in this thread.

If he did not have any problems in talking about that UFO why would he not talk about the others?

And this interview he specifically says that they did not wanted to use any language that could convey the idea that they were not alone "up there".




posted on Aug, 13 2006 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by ArMaP
It is funny that the supposed UFOs seen by Buzz Aldrin that your quotes suggest do not get any mention in the interview that can be seen in this thread.

If he did not have any problems in talking about that UFO why would he not talk about the others?

And this interview he specifically says that they did not wanted to use any language that could convey the idea that they were not alone "up there".


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However, I will say this. Some of the quotes from Buzz were transmissions from space. Far different circumstances than an interview.

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posted on Aug, 13 2006 @ 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher

Interesting you should quote the illiad as a source of mythology, and not historical fact. It was this same strain of thought that led generations of humanity for thousands of years to "know" that Troy was merely a mythical city.



The reason I choose Greek Mythology and the Illiad to make my point was because it was not your religion and it was analogous in many ways to the Bible even in it's Archaeological accuracy.



posted on Aug, 13 2006 @ 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by lost_shaman

The reason I choose Greek Mythology and the Illiad to make my point was because it was not your religion and it was analogous in many ways to the Bible even in it's Archaeological accuracy.


Why do you presume to know my faith?



posted on Aug, 13 2006 @ 09:27 PM
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Originally posted by Access Denied

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Who are you trying to impress?


Again, yet another uplifting, non-belittling and positive contribution from my friend Access Denied.

You have my vote


[edit on 13-8-2006 by Esoteric Teacher]



posted on Aug, 14 2006 @ 05:30 AM
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Originally posted by Access Denied
In Corso’s case, he’s been exposed as a hoax by Brad Sparks…


Someone we've never heard of makes a poor attempt at character assassination and this is all you need to discount the author's claims?



posted on Aug, 15 2006 @ 08:09 PM
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Most people believe what they want to believe regardless of what the actual truth may be.

What some people may say or write is not always what they actually believe. Everyone has their motives I suppose. To suppress the truth, or to know the truth for example. For some people I think they take comfort in NOT knowing things. They like being told what to believe. It's much easier that way. Especially if you paint a rosy picture.

Me? I just seek the truth and tell the truth. (most of the time anyway
)

As far as what Corso wrote, I'm sure he made some mistakes in his book. It likely wasn't well researched for facts before being published. But from the point of view of an old man telling his story once his life is coming to and end, it makes for a pretty good tale. If he gets some dates wrong, well.. hell... ask me about what I did last year and I'm sure I'll get a few facts wrong.

To address the subject of this thread: "Famous Quotes" It would be good to get good references for all of the significant quotes. The Regan UN quote for example can be easily be linked to the video of him saying this. (Although the video could be a fake just like the moon landing videos
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posted on Aug, 17 2006 @ 04:36 PM
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Thank you E.T. for putting this thread of quotes together.

I am very familiar with them all - and I have researched the credibility of many of them - but they all serve as an encouragement for those of us out in the field.

Imho I would have to agree with some of the previous posters, that those quotes that can be linked with video, audio, or mainstream news stories serve as some of the most persuasive indirect evidence available to professional and amateur UFO researchers.

As for where to go from here - I think it is very important that we continue to add to these lists as credible witnesses and whistleblowers continue to come forward.

(Although the war on "terrorism" is likely to have a near term chilling effect on many witnesses and public servants much as was seen in the McCarthy Era)

There are additional and complimentary strategies available to the public to help ellucidate the truth on these issues, and be assured that they will be put into action when the time is appropriate.

Until then we should continue to serve as faifthful, yet skeptical, record keepers - compiling and researching all the evidence and information we can gleam from both insider and public sources.

Keep up the good fight here and in your communities people - progress can be slow but be assured we are winning!



posted on Aug, 19 2006 @ 08:22 PM
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Here's my favorite quote from a case I investigated recently-

It was like CE3K. There were lights and craft circling the field and the radar operators had firm contacts.

That from a MacDill employee.
Why I do what I do.



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 05:11 AM
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Originally posted by Access Denied

Originally posted by TruthCanHurt
Most people believe what they want to believe regardless of what the actual truth may be.

Hmm... so in other words you're saying most people are delusional?


Not that you have made a concerted effort to derail this thread, but since you feel the need to delve into simpler subjects prior to grasping the ideas presented in this thread, it is apparent that you need a remedial course concerning the way the human mind works.

Obviously this must be the case, which is evident in the fact that this thread is about the most credible quotes, and you are at a point in the discussion in which other members must feel obligated to answer your question about why most people are delusional.

I'll bite.

Now, listen to the facts here Access Denied, to learn the answer to your own question.

Are most people delusional?

Yes.

Why are most people delusional?

Everyone's brain works the same way. Our brains operate in accordance with "The Law of Association". Which means we cannot fully comprehend new experiences and information without the new experiences and information being compatable with pre-existing accepted facts and information.

Do you actually believe one could fully comprehend consciously what "5" means without a basis of reference? Could one fully comprehend consciously what "5" means without any knowledge that 1, 2, 3, and 4 exist. Further more can one fully comprehend "5" without accepting that 1, 2, 3, and 4 are real and truthful facts?

We did not go to kindergarden on day one and begin learning geometry or trigonometry, did we?

No, first we have to be taught how to count, and accept that numbers are real. Then later on, when the building blocks exist for us to expand on we are introduced to addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, algebra, etc....

These are examples of what the "Law of Association" is, and how our brain cells form relationships between the synapses, forming a neuro-net.

So, if our minds are subject to operate in accordance with the fact that we are only fully capable of comprehending new information when it is compatable with already existing information we accept as true, then what is at the center of our neuro-net that began our personality, our opinion, and our self as an observer?

Well, the first truth accepted by our mind is that of our collective ancestor's in the form of information which is passed on genetically from generation to generation.

This, of course, is the instinct of "Self Preservation", or "Self Preserve".

What does "Self Preserve" mean?

Well,

Self = Self, aka ME
Pre = Before
Serve = To Serve, aka Aid, aka Help

So "Self Preservation", the first accepted truth of all humans also means "Self Before I Serve".

There is no end to that command. So, at the cellular level, and at the center of every human's mind is an overwhelming genetic command of "Self Before I Serve (anything or anyone).

And, truthfully, how much truth can a mind that is dominated by a command that causes us to know "Fear" truly incorporate as truth, if the truth lies outside the realm of merely being a survivor?

So, Access Denied, to answer your question, YES, most people are delusional due to the fact that thier very DNA is encoded with a command that fractionalizes the mind to a degree that people are not aware of thier own mind's thoughts.

What is a thought?

A thought is simply the exchange of a spark of electricity between two brain cells.

The rate at which these sparks can be measured are as follows:
In the conscious part of the mind humans create approximately 2,000 sparks of electricity being shared between brain cells per second. Or, another way of saying this is there are 2,000 bits of information being transmitted between brain cells every second.
In the subconscious part of the mind there are 400,000,000,000 bits of information (sparks of electricity) being shared between brain cells.

Another essential piece to the puzzle is that all stimuli and sensory input that is introduced to the brain is first delivered to the subconscious part of the mind. Everything we see, hear, smell, touch, and taste first gets delivered to the subconscious part of the mind which is processing the new information at a speed of 400,000,000,000 bits per second.

It is people's conscious state of mind and thier intentions which determine what information the subconscious part of the mind is allowed to give to the conscious part of the mind.

Your question was:
Are most people delusional?

Easy answer i guess would be, well prove to me that they are consciously aware of all thier own thoughts. If you can not, then yes they are delusional.






What some people may say or write is not always what they actually believe. Everyone has their motives I suppose. To suppress the truth, or to know the truth for example.

And in either case it's morally indefensible.


But, seriously, if an individual who is seeking the truth can not comprehend that they as an observer is broke, then how could they begin to comprehend the very truth they are looking for?



"What you are looking for, is what is looking"
-- Saint Francis of Assisi





For some people I think they take comfort in NOT knowing things. They like being told what to believe. It's much easier that way. Especially if you paint a rosy picture.

Actually, it doesn't even need to be rosy... for example take your typical conspiracy theory... all you have to do is give people a sense of belonging to/being part of something special... i.e. sell it as "secret/sacred/suppressed/hidden" knowledge and the true sheep will buy it every time... without even realizing it's actually them who are being controlled.


What permits them to be controlled? To fullfill there sense of needing to belong?
I agree Peoples' intentions permits them to be controlable.



I'm sorry but it cracks me up every time I hear that quote being propped up as some kind of official "confirmation" of an alien presence or impending invasion when what he's actually saying is "Is that what it's going to take for everybody to get along?"

I'm sorry. In reference to Reagan's address to the U.N. general assembly, i feel the amount of effort put into speach writing from numerous people indicates how much thought is put into the speaches. Eveything said is looked at very closely prior to any president saying it in a speach. Also, considering other comments made by President Reagan, i think he was trying to say exactly what was said. For you to say what he meant was... is not neccesarily what he said, exactly. But, if it cracks you up, well, we all need to laugh once in awhile.

now, can we continue to try to create a compulation of quotes?

Peace,
John.

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posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 05:25 AM
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1958, Marshall: to an interview of the LA times:...their here and have been for awhile. Their technology far surpassed any Country of this Earth. They cannot breathe our atmosphere, it's a deadly poison if their exposed to breathing it.

Our United States of America and these entities have been communicating for a few years now (no elaboration). They cannot appropriate due to a degenerative gene and are requesting our help through genetic manipulation in order to do so. They are willing to to advance our technology should we agree to provide donors and genetic material.

(Dunno, but Marshall did have that interview a year or so before he died)



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 06:08 PM
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"We must insist upon full access to disks recovered. For instance, in the La case the Army grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory examination."
--J Edgar Hoover


What LA case is he talking about?



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by errorist

"We must insist upon full access to disks recovered. For instance, in the La case the Army grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory examination."
--J Edgar Hoover


What LA case is he talking about?


That is the funny part, nobody knows.

Nobody knows what "La" means, and it was written like that, "La".



posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by Dallas

1958, Marshall: to an interview of the LA times:...their here and have been for awhile. Their technology far surpassed any Country of this Earth. They cannot breathe our atmosphere, it's a deadly poison if their exposed to breathing it.


I know I am just showing my ignorance, but I am trying to deny it.

What Marshall is this supposed to be?



posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 01:26 AM
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Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by Dallas

1958, Marshall: to an interview of the LA times:...their here and have been for awhile. Their technology far surpassed any Country of this Earth. They cannot breathe our atmosphere, it's a deadly poison if their exposed to breathing it.


I know I am just showing my ignorance, but I am trying to deny it.

What Marshall is this supposed to be?


I'm not totally sure, but will look into it. I think "Marshall" is perhaps the person's name, not a rank or position.

Edited to ADD:
Found something that seems to indicate that the quote in question may not be too credible after all. It also points to evidence that seems to discredit the Majestic 12 documents, or at least one of them all together.

Source Link:

www.ufoalert.com...



Dr. Larry Bland, editor of The George C. Marshall Papers, discovered that one of the so-called Majestic-12 documents was a complete fraud. It contained the exact same language as a letter from Marshall to Presidential candidate Thomas Dewey regarding the "Magic" intercepts in 1944. The dates and names had been altered and "Magic" changed to "Majic." Moreover, it was a photocopy, not an original. No original MJ-12 documents have ever surfaced. Telephone conversation between the author and Bland, 29 August 1994.




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posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 07:25 AM
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Originally posted by Access Denied
I believe the consensus is it's a reference to a prank (hoaxed) case in Louisiana.


I agree that the consensus is it's a reference to a prank (hoaxed) case in Louisiana. However, there are a variety of interpretations. Some of the discussions in various books do not even agree that the letters are "La", with some books referring to the "Sw" case.

By the way, while I think that this is an interesting thread, I think that it would be _much_ more valuable if attempts were made in relation to _each_ quotation to provide as precise a supporting reference as possible.

Also, it would be very useful in confirming the accuracy of quotations (and understanding their context) if the supporting references were not simply to websites containing the relevant quotes, but to the actual source documents or source articles (e.g. giving the date and issue of a relevant magazine, rather than a link to a UFO website which states that a comment was made in an interview for a magazine).

For example, in relation to the "La" case comment by Hoover, an image of the relevant memo os available on the FBI's own website at: foia.fbi.gov... (see page 45 of 69)

A follow-up memo (which, by the way, interprets Hoover's annotation as "La" rather than "Sw") is also in the same PDF file at page 38 of 69.

The text of the original memo is online at:
www.nicap.org...

Since internet links quickly become out of date, it would also be useful if _published_ sources of the relevant quotations are given. For example, images of the document concerning Hoover's comment about "La" case are published:

(1) by Randle, Kevin and Schmitt, Donald in their “The Truth About the UFO Crash At Roswell” (1994) at page 200 (in Appendix C) of the Evans hardback edition.

(2) by Swords, Michael D in “The Roswell Report : A Historical Perspective” (1991) (edited by Eberhart, George) at pages 25-26 (in the unnumbered chapter entitled “The summer of 1947 : UFOs and the US government at the beginning”) of the CUFOS paperback edition.


Also, many of the quotations given in this thread have been discussed in various books or online in the past. Quite a few are generally regarded as complete fabrications. It may be helpful to give links or references to discussions of the relevant quotations.

Using the Hoover memo as an example again, the "La" case memo has been discussed by numerous authors - in many books including the following:

(1) Beckley, Timothy Green in his “MJ-12 and the Riddle of Hangar 18” (1989) at pages 42, 43, 44 (in Chapter 3) of the Inner Light softcover edition.

(2) Berlitz, Charles and Moore, Bill in their “The Roswell Incident” (1980) at pages 140-142 (in Chapter 8) of the Granada hardback edition (with the same page numbering in the Granada paperback edition).

(3) Dolan, Richard M in his “UFOs and the National Security State: Volume 1” (2000) at page 69 (in Chapter 2) of the Keyhole softcover edition, at pages 32-33 of the 2002 revised Hampton Road softcover edition.

(4) Korff, Kal in his “The Roswell UFO Crash” (1997) at page 196 (in Chapter 6) of the Dell paperback edition.

(5) Maccabee, Bruce in his “UFO FBI Connection” (2000) at pages 6-7 (in Chapter 1), with image of relevant document at page 292 (in Appendix 2) of the Llewellyn softcover edition.

(6) Mannion, Michael in his “Project Mindshift” (1998) at page 32 (in Chapter 1) of the Evans hardback edition.

(7) Marrs, Jim in his “Alien Agenda” (1997) at pages 120-121 (in Chapter 4) of the Harper Collins paperback edition.

(8) Paget, Peter in his “The Welsh Triangle” (1979) at pages 55-56 (in Chapter 3) of the Grafton paperback edition.

(9) Randle, Kevin and Schmitt, Donald in their “The Truth About the UFO Crash At Roswell” (1994) at pages 91-93 (in Chapter 13) with image at page 200 (in Appendix C) of the Evans hardback edition.

(10) Randle, Kevin D in his “Conspiracy of Silence” (1997) at page 4 (in the Introduction), 267 (in Chapter 12) of the Avon paperback edition.

(11) Randle, Kevin D in his “Project Moon Dust” (1998) at pages 271-272 (in Appendix B) of the Avon softcover edition.

(12) Randle, Kevin D in his “The Roswell Encyclopedia” (2000) at pages 142-144 (in an entry entitled “Hoover Note”) of the Quill softcover edition.

(13) Randles, Jenny and Hough, Peter in their “The Complete Book of UFOs” (1994) at pages 99-101 (in Chapter 7) of the Piatkus softcover edition.

(14) Randles, Jenny in her “Beyond Explanation? : The Paranormal Experiences of Famous People” (1985) at pages 24-25 (in Chapter 1) of the TLC hardback edition.

(15) Randles, Jenny in her “The Pennine UFO Mystery" (1983) at page 211 (in Chapter 15) of the Granada paperback edition.

(16) Redfern, Nick in his “The FBI Files” (1998) at page 7 (in Chapter 1) of the Simon & Schuster softcover edition, with the same page numbering in the Pocket Books paperback edition.

(17) Rux, Bruce in his “Architects of the Underworld” (1996) at pages 7-8, 9 (in Chapter 1) of the Frog softcover edition.

(18) Shawcross, Tim in his “The Roswell File” (1997) at pages 141-142 (in Chapter 8), 174 (in Chapter 11) of the Bloomsbury softcover edition.

(19) Swords, Michael D in “The Roswell Report : A Historical Perspective” (1991) (edited by Eberhart, George) at pages 25-26 (in the unnumbered chapter entitled “The summer of 1947 : UFOs and the US government at the beginning”) of the CUFOS paperback edition.


By the way, there have been several other attempts to collate relevant quotations. Perhaps references to those attempts should be collected as a preliminary step so as to limit reinvention of the wheel?

All the best,

Isaac



posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 11:18 AM
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Wow great post, thank you very much for your effort Esoteric Teacher


Toc

posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 12:52 PM
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I would like this post to be stickied please. Is there a way to get it stickied?
I think this is an important thread. I'll assist in finding the original source of any quotes, to my best possible when i have time.

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posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 01:11 PM
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I have to agree with Isaac, that in order to make this thread as important as it could be, citations and references, the formal kind, are important.

There are a many reasons why citations and references are important in this issue:

(1) Made up information: This field has a rampant collection of made up quotes, and more commonly, misinterpreted quotes taken out of context, sometimes quite deliberately.

(2) Event Context: Many times, quotes refer to events and the events are not understandable without a referential context.

(3) Known Hoaxes: Some of these quotes are associated with hoaxes in which even the originators have recanted them. Most arent', but a few are. Its important to identify those.

(4) Multiple Versioning with Sources: Many stories of quotes and such get passed down and mutate over time. They vary dependent on the source you look at. Identifying which mutation you are looking at (by identifying your reference source) helps catalog this and helps deter people from paraphrasing, and otherwise continuing the information loss/mutation process.

(5) Trace: The key reason for references is that the paper trail backs up the consistency of one's claim. Fact checking becomes more resolute.

There is nothing remotely perfect about the citation/reference system, but it is the best thing we have to keep information honest and clean.

While I normally like internet references (I'm too young, seen too many bad printed books, and met too many power hungry and downright unethical print editors to believe that paper is inherently better than the Internet). But the UFO field is filled with slightly insane, temporary material and so web cite references are really only as useful as the web site is (1) permanent and (2) trustworthy. Many web sites include information without fact checking, out oa a religeous zeal.

I'm not attacking this quotes thread. I think it is a cool source of information. I'm just agreeing with Isaac that it would be THAT MUCH MORE AWESOME if it contained relevant citations. (Do I play good cop well?
)

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posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 01:37 PM
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I agree with IsaacKoi.

I think that is something that could be suggested for the tinWiki, for example.



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