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posted on Jul, 12 2010 @ 12:28 PM
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I'm still curious as to what university offers the bachelor of arts degree in Buddhism. I wasn't aware that specific religions are academic disciplines. What's next, a Ph.D in Moonieism?




posted on Jul, 12 2010 @ 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by network dude
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Please don't take this the wrong way, but stop being so hypocritical. Think about it, you are trying to inform people who don't really know about Buddhism but are talking about it with misinformation, all the while speaking ill of masonry when you have no knowledge of what it really is. If you don't know, that's fine, but to spread further misinformation is disingenuous at best.



misinformation? is that your way of calling me a 'liar'?

well, sir, i speak only truth- as much as can be spoken

I know enough about Masonry to know that it's spooky. you can judge a tree by its fruit. no offense.

at least there's always plenty of parking at their lodges.

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posted on Jul, 12 2010 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light
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I'm still curious as to what university offers the bachelor of arts degree in Buddhism. I wasn't aware that specific religions are academic disciplines. What's next, a Ph.D in Moonieism?


so now you're making fun of my degree? seems a little off topic.

grow up



posted on Jul, 12 2010 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light
I'm still curious as to what university offers the bachelor of arts degree in Buddhism. I wasn't aware that specific religions are academic disciplines. What's next, a Ph.D in Moonieism?


All I could find was a Bachelor of Arts degree in Religious Studies. They did however have three courses on Buddhism in the curriculum.



posted on Jul, 12 2010 @ 02:32 PM
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For a university that offers a degree in Buddhism, I was disappointed that the links for Alumni and for Future Students didn't go to the same page...
home.nau.edu...



posted on Jul, 12 2010 @ 02:56 PM
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wow, perhaps you should remove that stick before sitting down. I only pointed out that you don't know much about masonry and therefore are no better than those who would try to tell you all about Buddhism. Unless you have been through the degrees of masonry, you don't know what it's about. And labeling Albert Pike a racist is kind of like calling Bush and Obama presidents. He was around during the time that people owned slaves. the mindset was just a tiny bit different in those days. Not right, but different. I think the world would be a better place if all the closet racists would wear a hat saying what they were so you would know whether to give them any thought or not. Pike had the guts to write about how he felt, then later learn from his life experience and change his views. But I am sure you never heard that part of the story.

Here is a life lesson for you, not everyone who offers you constructive criticism is your enemy, and not everyone who feeds you crap information about masonry has any real idea. You want to know how deep the river is, ask a fish or jump in. Don't ask a cat.



posted on Jul, 12 2010 @ 03:11 PM
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Originally posted by IandEye
well sir- Pike should be judged by his actions and not by the writings in one pamphlet.


Are you refering to Morals and Dogma? Pike was a rather prolific writer and I do not know of anything he compsed that would fall under the 'pamphlet' category.


he did form the KKK you know....


No, he did not, and you will be hard pressed to find credible sources to back up your claim.



posted on Jul, 12 2010 @ 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus


No, he did not, and you will be hard pressed to find credible sources to back up your claim.


He must have learned his research skills while majoring in Buddhism at Imaginary University.



posted on Jul, 12 2010 @ 03:55 PM
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Given that the oldest Masonic text is from 1390 while Buddhism is a LOT older, I call bull#.

The fact that Buddhists don't worship a god also makes his statement look pretty stupid.



posted on Jul, 12 2010 @ 06:31 PM
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Some of my views have changed quite a bit since I posted this thread, however I still lean towards the idea that Gnosticism and Buddhism teach the same thing, when studied from an 'occult' standpoint. And also I lean towards the idea that Masonry was founded by Gnostic Alchemists, whether said founders were inclined towards Judeo-Christianity or not.

Now whether or not contemporary physical Lodges of Freemasonry are capable of producing Adept Alchemists/Gnostics, is another story....




Originally posted by Masonic Light
I would argue that there is very little wisdom in the Torah, especially if taken literally.


Hogwash. The ancient Israelites were, for the most part, unlearned and tribal peoples. The majority of them did not possess the cultivation and sophistication required to appreciate the metaphysics of Gnosticism.



These are all things that I've been thinking about lately, although I've not yet come to any definite conclusions.

I also wonder why many esoteric teachings now available in physical books rely so heavily on Habiru(Hebrew) Letters/Kabbalah and the Brahminized forms of Buddhism.

Why isn't humanity receiving teachings that are closer to The Source, In other words, why aren't we learning the Ancient Wisdom using more of the Khemetian, Sumerian, and pre-Brahmin Mother-Goddess-Tantra terminologies?

Said cultures had advanced esoteric systems superior to that of the Habiru, long before the Habiru and Brahmins even existed.

And as savage as the Habiru may have been, it seems that they were at one time influenced by a more learned Brahmin caste, meaning that the Habiru invasions of Africa/Middle-East may have had something to do with the Indo-European invasions of the Indus-Kush.




Originally posted by Masonic Light
I'm still curious as to what university offers the bachelor of arts degree in Buddhism. I wasn't aware that specific religions are academic disciplines.



Probably Naropa University.




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posted on Jul, 12 2010 @ 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ
The fact that Buddhists don't worship a god also makes his statement look pretty stupid.



"Worship" and "God" always have to be taken in context. No religion/science that has esoterism at it's core(including Gnosticism, Buddhism, and Masonry) actually believes in the Judeo-Christian exoteric concept of an external god.

If one wants to draw parallels between Buddhism and Gnosticism, one could compare the definitions of Bythos, Pleroma, Glorian, etc. to those of Adi-Buddha, Dharmakaya, Rigpa, Kulaya-Raja, Kunjed-Gyalpo, etc.

I'm not saying that all of these terms are necessarily synonymous, however....



Anyway, on a related note, this is really interesting:




vajranatha.com...

It was Greek Buddhists in Afghanistan who, before the time of Christ, produced the first images of the Buddha, based on the icon of the Greek god Apollo. Figures of Iranian inspiration also appeared in Mahayana scriptures and art, such as the future Buddha Maitreya, who is based on the Iranian savior god Mithra, and the Buddha Amitabha in his western paradise of Sukhavati, who appears to be similar to the Iranian high god Ahura Mazda.





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posted on Jul, 13 2010 @ 03:09 AM
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Illuminatusobservor.blogspot.com





Kabballah as an Occult representation has been around long before the rise of the Judaic tribes, so to attribute to "Jews" the whole of the body of Kabballah is just shear Occult lunacy. Yet lunacy is sanity in a Setian world. Orwell did know what he was talking about. This Sumerian plate shows a Tree of Life before it became associated with the Cubed "Jewish" form.




The following books also come to mind:


Metu Neter by Ra Un Nefer Amen


It explains the Kabala as it was practiced in Ancient Egypt, Canaan, & Dravidian India thousands of years before the advent of Hebraism.



When God Was a Woman by Merlin Stone


Chosen people from the Caucasus by Michael Bradley




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posted on Jul, 13 2010 @ 02:20 PM
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The Sacred Family Flees to Egypt


Jesus said unto Herod, “You are a Justinian; you are just; what happens is that you have never liked me.” Then, Herod exceedingly wroth, spoke to the council and said: “Do not eat the Moon.” Herod meant with this phrase that they must not abandon their lunar cult. Since all racial religions are lunar, the Jewish religion is lunar.

Herod was totally conservative and as such, he defended the ancient traditional Jewish religion.

Yes, Herod defended the ancient sacerdotal caste of the people of Judah. This is how Herod rejected the Savior of the world.

Thus, the council at the palace of Herod was transcendental, since the new period of Solar, Christic development in the world was announced in this initiatic council. Nevertheless, since Herod was strikingly conservative, he seized onto the lunar past and onto racial prejudices, and this is how he did not acknowledge Jesus as the Savior of the world. Therefore, this council of initiates became a failure.




Although "lunar" has different levels of symbolism, depending on the context. However, in this case it apparently has a negative implication.





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posted on Jul, 13 2010 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by HarmonicNights
My dad is Buddhist and Buddhism is NOT in any way the same thing as Freemasonry.




Buddhism and Masonry do share common roots. Said roots being largely related, 'esoterically speaking', to the Goddess Sofik(Khemetian) or Sophia(Phoenician), known to Buddhists as Prajnaparamita.





The Esoterics of "THE"


If one peers deeper into such Mystery Schools as Freemasonry and Rosicrucianism, what one finds is that the systems are in reality "cryptic Goddess worship". These systems preserved the knowledge of the Sacred Feminine in the face of overwhelming brutality and ignorance of the Monotheists.





Kubrick and Vampirism


...an illuminated civil class who get to enjoy the carefully veiled goddess analogy in all of its forms - Luxury - that level of knowledge belonging to those who can pay attention under the most Deadly circumstances.





The explosion of sexuality: Vajrayana Buddhism


The spectrum of erotic relations between the sexes ranges from the most sublime professions of courtly love to the coarsest pornography. Starting from the highest rung of this ladder, the monks worship the feminine as “perfected wisdom” (prajnaparamita), “wisdom consort” (prajna), or “woman of knowledge” (vidya). This spiritualization of the woman corresponds, with some variation, to the Christian cults of Mary and Sophia. Just as Christ revered the “Mother of God”, the Tantric Buddhist bows down before the woman as the “Mother of all Buddhas”, the “Mother of the Universe”, the “Genetrix”, the “Sister”, and as the “Female Teacher”(Herrmann-Pfand, 1992, pp. 62, 60, 76).







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posted on Jul, 13 2010 @ 03:55 PM
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Actually, Pike didn't start the KKK. Is your degree a History Degree?

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Are you talking about the Regius Poem? It is dated sometime in the early 14th century from my memory, but it discusses Freemasonry back in 926 AD.



posted on Jul, 14 2010 @ 12:57 PM
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I missed this thread when it was originally posted but it is fascinating!

Manly Hall has some GREAT books about "Egyptian" Freemasonry and the origins of many of our degrees many thousands of years ago.

There is a version of "The Lost Keys of Freemasonry" published now that has three of his books together on the subject.



posted on Jul, 14 2010 @ 01:00 PM
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By what fruit are you judging us? I'm not being sarcastic but you imply that something negative has turned you off to Freemasonry.

As for the parking lots -- many of the lodges only have a few meetings per month and they are in the evenings. Nobody's home during the day except for the Shrine guys that meet and have coffee in the mornings.

No doubt between hands of Euchre and cups of decaf they are planning our slaughter!



posted on Jul, 14 2010 @ 01:10 PM
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926AD is still over 1000 years after Buddhism came into existence. If anything, Freemasonry might have stolen some Buddhist concepts...but that's about it.

The whole Freemasonry conspiracy theory is hogwash anyway. Just go to one of the lodges...



posted on Jul, 14 2010 @ 02:37 PM
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Yeah Manly P. Hall did write some very interesting books.

Have you yet read: THE MOST HOLY TRINOSOPHIA OF THE COMTE DE ST.-GERMAIN ?

"The Lost Keys of Freemasonry" also has some really useful information about CHiram Abiff.


Anyhow, something I want to learn more about is why Manly P. Hall wrote, or at least implied, that Khuen-Aten("Akhenaten") was Khemet's greatest Pharaoh; whereas Ra Un Nefer Amen implied, or perhaps blatantly stated, in his writings that Khuen-Aten(Amenhotep IV) was Khemet's worst Shekem(Pharaoh).


And notice how your signature quoting George Orwell, goes hand-in-hand with what The Fetch is quoted as having written in this post.




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posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ


926AD is still over 1000 years after Buddhism came into existence. If anything, Freemasonry might have stolen some Buddhist concepts...but that's about it.



I don't think so....Buddhism and Freemasonry may share some moral concepts, but not many philosophical ones, except of course, for the ones that are pretty much universal.





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