Originally posted by subz
Ok im starting to get riled over the accusations of Nazism and anti-semitism being bandied about here. It's time to get somethings clear.
People like us who question Israel's actions do so even though it goes against the mainstream. People like us who question Israel's actions do so
even though there is a high likelihood it could negatively impact on our careers and social standing. People like us who continue to question
Israel's actions do so because it is the right thing to do. People like us pay no attention to who is commiting the injustices, we just
see the injustices and say it is not acceptable.
Subz,... I agree with you on the point that we must question. We must question not only Israel, but other nations as well. We must question Lebanon,
Syria, Iran, the UN, the U.S.,..... basically everyone who is involved in this conflict, who has something to gain or lose. It is not appropriate to
label you an Anti-Semite for questioning Israel, but some people may attribute such a title to you if they constantly see you questioning Israel, and
no one else. It doesn't make name-calling right, but that is how some people may get such an impression of you.
It was people like us who fought against Nazism and all that it stood for. Including delusions of racial superiority, ethnic cleansing, devine
right and mass murder which all present themselves in Israel's behaviour.
The reason some people might be upset by this statement is that you're accusing Israel of some pretty serious crimes here, but leaving out the crimes
of Hezbollah,....or the Arab world in general. Israel is not alone in the world when it comes to such misdeeds. I understand that Israel is the only
nation you want to discuss in this thread, but it is a very sensitive issue from which the deeds of Muslim Nations cannot be left out. This conflict
goes back hundreds of years, and both groups are very much responsible for what goes on. They both have plenty of blood on their hands.
All those people who stood up did so when it was not in their best interests to do the right thing. They did so against the mainstream of the time and
their stance later became the mainstream itself.
Surprisingly you're actually not in a minority this time. As another poster here already mentioned, most of the world opposes Israel's actions (as
far as I know). I go back and forth, depending on what news comes out of the Middle East. I actually don't trust much of anything I hear anymore. I
suppose I try to look at the situation from all points of view. Sometimes Israel is making the right moves, and sometimes I disagree. I can usually
understand why Hezbollah is doing what they're doing, but I disagree with how they are going about what they're trying to achieve. It is my opinion
that they both have equal rights to the same land. Problem is, if you're outnumbered and the land comes under Muslim rule, the chance of democracy
How dare you call us anti-semites and Nazis when we're standing up against the very same things people stood up to protect the Jews against in the
1940s! We will prevail.
If you're standing up against violence, and against civilian casualties..... I certainly support your position. I know that sometimes war is
necessary, but I always hope that a peaceful solution can be reached first. Wishing that Israel would cease fire in order to avoid civilian casualties
does not make you Anti-Semite.
Fact is,..... when we stepped in to right the wrongs of the Nazis, we killed thousands of innocent civilians as well. Just check out these stats:
Wikipedia: World War II. Casualties
I can't judge and say that stopping Hitler justified these deaths, but my guess would be that the World is better off without him. Could these
civilian deaths have been avoided? Probably,... but we have to remember that human beings are not infallible. To my knowledge, Israel knows that
civilian deaths don't make them Mr. Popular. It is my opinion that they try to avoid it as much as possible, but can't avoid it completely. Just
yesterday someone on ATS posted a thread on fake photographs out of Lebanon circulating on Reuters, courtesy of a photographer by the name of Adnan
Hajj, who contributed as many as 900 photos for them. There are many which he doctored/manipulated. There is a lot of propaganda and civilian death
number inflation going on as well. Hezbollah is very eager to use our own media to play with our heads. I wouldn't doubt that they overestimate
civilian deaths in order to gain sympathy from the rest of the world.
One thing is for sure; It's a mess over there. If Hezbollah had the man-power and bigger support, it would have wiped the Jews from the face of the
earth. I think Jews are aware of it, and aren't about to let another Holocaust happen. Just my opinion of course.